Should Live Call It Quits?, Is it time? Options

[Alex]

A break would be good. They could study what it takes to make songs that make the radio. That would mean studying what it takes to make good songs.

Lmfao. What a ridiculous statement. I hope you were joking.

[chook]

My apologies Chook, my origional comment was directed at crustyclown80...

ok, glad that's cleared up now...

[Tabucky]

That's funny, I posted this exact same thing a few weeks ago. Thanks for keeping up with the boards!!!

Well seeing the amount of threads you bump, you shouldn't be talking.

[Jess]

sure... so the dam at otter creek isnt bout water? songs like WATERboy for example.... ? just to get things straight

and ofcourse a song like I alone (I alone LOVE YOU) isnt about love, right? Turn my head....?

and White, Dicussion for sure aint anything political.... ofcourse.... cause that would prove you wrong, and we wouldnt want that to happen now, would we?

maybe you should dig up all the albums and pick your favs that dont include love or water.... let's see how many ya have left then...

god, I hate being cynical early in the morning....

Aye, aint that the truth!!!

I believe it has already been said - if you dont like it then dont listen to it! Why post about something like this when all it has done is create animosity - every body has their own taste. As the old saying goes, "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"

[Jess]

BTW-I don't want 'em to break up, I just want Bill O'Reilly to shag Ed's wife. If that don't get back some of his rage, nothing will.

LMFAO

[fallen angel]

(Here we go again. )
Topics like this one make me feel so unhappy.
I love as well the older as the newer songs (I love as well quiet ballads as rock).
I love the way Ed sings about love (not only the love between two lovers, but also the desire to achieve universal love, I recognize that desire) and awareness and water, which is I guess sometimes a metaphor for solidarity and commitment between everybody in this world and sometimes a metaphor for something that eases pain.
I just love it!

Okay I know that many people don't like the messages of love, commitment, easing or healing pain. Because it's very hard to achieve (I refuse to think that it is impossible) and you've got to swim against the stream of all the missery this world is in and you have to look at yourself in a way that is painful because nobody is perfect and everybody makes mistakes.

I don't mind if people don't like the newer albums, but don't say that it IS crap, just say that YOU'RE OPINION IS that it is crap.
And do yourself and people who still love Live a favour: if your love for Live is gone, leave then and go and look for other music that fits with you the way you are now.

GvB.

Thanks GvB

ppl can say what they want but look at the comments that appear on the message boards on all +live+ websites. some of you may sit there and say its boring to sing about love, the earth, no more wars, better understanding of each other and the world we live in, but for me and im sure for alot of other ppl, +LIVE+ was one of the first influences on me that made me want to open my eyes and take a long look at the world around me.

i was 12 and i heard lightning crashes, and i felt this inner peace within myself that blew me away. then i started listening to their other stuff at the time and it made grow into a better person i feel. i started caring about the world around me, i broke away from my red neck up bringing.

im now a young women and still have that same inner peace if you will, +LIVE+ can make my heart beat faster and slower at the same time, its like being inlove but not in that way, more like still having the child innocense and loving life and knowing that if i try hard enough, we could achieve anything we wanted, and there something bigger than us out there always helping. im glad i never lost that, i think we are all better off with abit of child left in us.

So what if some of their songs have become mellow or alitte repetitive, Eddie and the Boys gave me something i will always rememeber and be thankful for, a renewed faith in the human spirit and the strength of love and making this place i hope to some day bring children into with pride.

[fallen angel]

Why am I not surprised that you didn't bother to even attempt to reply to any of my points?

All you do here is explain why you like each album.

Congratulations. You just, again, proved my point. Had these things not been present in these albums, you would not have liked them as much. I'd like to see you try to disagree with me now. You can't. Had these themes not been present in these albums, you'd feel differently about them. While you don't touch one any other issues of composition (probably because you're incapable of doing so), subject matter and tone are definitely factors of composition, and it appears as those certain tones and subject matters appeal to you more than others. So again: try to argue with me that you like albums at random, and that nothing about them has any impace on whether or not you'll like them

You seriously just agreed, whole heartedly, with my main point.

Good fucking job.
And lastly, in response to how offended you were by what I said:

deal with it.

You're listening to shallow, uncreative, uninteresting, uninspired, formulaic, bland, repetative music. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. It's just a fact. Accept it. I listen to plenty of poorly written music, and I admit it openly: why can't you do the same?

Ever thought that she just like most of us really cant be bothered argueing with you or proving you right or wrong. she was speaking of her opinion and understanding of their albums and i loved her post.

GvB, i couldnt have put it better myself, finally ppl who see past the guitars and screaming and see the meaning of +LIVE+

And by the way mrmcfuzzball, that is your opinion of the band, not fact, i had this same arguement with you about 2 years ago and you still havent moved on. so that makes you boring!!!
i find them them very inspired and very inspiring, by both other music talents out there and also about life and the world they live in. its not just a tuned in gituar that makes good music, and if you believe that that makes you bland!!

[fallen angel]

Do you deny that creativity is a good thing?
Do you deny that live's recent work is less creative than their older work?

If the answer to the second question is yes, then please back it up with something.

do you have to be completely new and create something brand new everytime, especially if you are happy where you are at that point and time.

They just arent ready to move on and be "creative" because they feel there is still alot more to done and explored from where they already are for now and im am loving it, when then feel that they have explored all the can and have gotten all they can from where they are the will move onto something new and be more "creative".

If might not be working for you anymore or yet and or whatever but its working for them and working for alot of other +LIVE+ fans so just let it be already

[Alex]

That's utter crap. I'd say a higher proportion of Live fans are displeased with the recent work than satisfied with it.

As an artist, you can't decide when to be creative. It's not like

'Oh yeah, we're happy with making bromidic formulaic crap right now. Maybe next year we'll be creative... maybe not.'

If you're not actually going out of your way to either a) perfect a certain style of writing or b) create compelling music, then what's the point?

[Alex]

Ever thought that she just like most of us really cant be bothered argueing with you or proving you right or wrong. she was speaking of her opinion and understanding of their albums and i loved her post.

GvB, i couldnt have put it better myself, finally ppl who see past the guitars and screaming and see the meaning of +LIVE+

Fuck!!! Seriously, how many people have actually said that the reason they don't like Lives newest stuff is because it doesn't have 'screaming', or isn't heavy enough?? TDTH wasn't heavy but most people here seem to love it. I don't know how many times I have to say it...

And by the way mrmcfuzzball, that is your opinion of the band, not fact, i had this same arguement with you about 2 years ago and you still havent moved on. so that makes you boring!!!
i find them them very inspired and very inspiring, by both other music talents out there and also about life and the world they live in. its not just a tuned in gituar that makes good music, and if you believe that that makes you bland!!

What in the world is a tuned in gituar? I want one.

Anyway, when did mcpheezy say that's the reason he doesn't like Lives new material? You can love it all you want, that doesn't change the fact that it's not well written or original. Nobody has said you're not allowed to like the last three albums; people have just got to admit that they're not objectively good.

[fallen angel]

That's utter crap. I'd say a higher proportion of Live fans are displeased with the recent work than satisfied with it.

As an artist, you can't decide when to be creative. It's not like

'Oh yeah, we're happy with making bromidic formulaic crap right now. Maybe next year we'll be creative... maybe not.'

If you're not actually going out of your way to either a) perfect a certain style of writing or b) create compelling music, then what's the point?

but just because your unhappy or this current music doesnt sit well with you or isnt your type of music doesnt mean that its bad as a fact. thats your interpretation of it and your opinion.

im not saying that they get to pick and choose when they get inspiration or creativity but if for them they are still pulling creativity from the same location and havent needed to draw inspiration for any other place yet them who are you, me or anyone else to say its not creativity??? this is their life, a story and a journey through their experiences and their eyes. now we can either get something from that, wheather it be inspiration or just plain pleasure or we can not agree with it and choose to find out inspirations from elsewhere.
i will agree that they have sounded the same for a while but im personally still getting alot from their music and thats my opinion and my personal journey, no one elses.

and for that reason because im still getting alot from their music and talent that i would hate to see them hang up the gloves so to speak.

This post has been edited by fallen angel: Oct 24 2006, 6:13 am

[Alex]

but just because your unhappy or this current music doesnt sit well with you or isnt your type of music doesnt mean that its bad as a fact. thats your interpretation of it and your opinion.

Yes, it does. SFBM is a badly written, formulaic album. FACT.


I listen to some music myself that I know isn't particularly well written. I might enjoy it, and connect with it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not well written.

[mrmcpheezy]

Yes, it does. SFBM is a badly written, formulaic album. FACT.
I listen to some music myself that I know isn't particularly well written. I might enjoy it, and connect with it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not well written.

Exactly.

[fallen angel]

Yes, it does. SFBM is a badly written, formulaic album. FACT.
I listen to some music myself that I know isn't particularly well written. I might enjoy it, and connect with it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not well written.

Who decides what is well written and not? you? me? Eddie? God himself? the whole thing is up to interpretation, just admit it. i mean what are you trying to say, that because it doesnt sit as tightly as other songs then its badly written, maybe its just a less used form of writing than the majority is used to hearing.

How do we decide whose opinion or right and wrong should be taken as FACT? and whose shouldnt? and how do you make your choice on who to choose?

when did music become less about expressing oneself and more about structure, the right sounds the right etc etc etc.

when rap become more known, alot of people said, thats not music, its talking not singing there for its not music, and now its one of the biggest listen to form of music. if we didnt have new styles coming up we would still be listening to nothing newer the opera singers. ....not that opera music doesnt have its place..... somewhere

Another example, when picasso came along, he was ridiculed for being a crappy painter, because it wasn't a monet, da vinci etc etc. it was pretty and in proportion and all in the lines like it "should" be. now, people stare at his works like they are master pieces, with great expression, over time what is important or the is the necessary criteria changes, evolves

come on, open your minds.

This post has been edited by fallen angel: Oct 25 2006, 1:10 am

[Live333]

If Live had not put out throwing copper secret samadhi and the distance to here (I know they put out menal jewelry first but honestly who had that before throwing copper) I'm pretty confident I wouldn't have bought V (even though I think this is their best album in the last 3) birds of pray or SFBM. However there has been enough good songs on these to suggest that If they can wake from their comfortable and contented slumber that a return to at least a mixture of classic rock (I Alone, All Over You, selling the drama, dolphins cry, sparkle, rattlesnake, lakinis juice, stage, waitress, shit towne, freaks, Insomnia and the hole in the universe), ballads (run to the water, turn my head, lightning crashes, we walk in the dream, they stood up for love) and the dark brooders (dam at otter creek, graze, where fishes go,pillar of davidson, white discussion, face and ghost, feel the quiet river rage).

That said they're still better than most bands and they've had some bad luck (releasing V just before 9/11) and to be honest some of their single choices have left a bit to be desired especially off birds of pray. How "she" didn't get released is a mystery or rivertown or light house or out to dry instead they chose the daggiest ones.

Ed needs to let the rest of the band write some songs, to get some different lyrical content and they all need to be a bit more aware that you can still lace up love songs or wishy washy songs with some good music or at least get some light and shade back into their albums.

Also with their concerts, they need to be proud of all their songs and embrace them. I can't wait to go to a concert and they don't play lightning crashes or I alone. In 6 concerts I have heard 2 songs off Secret Samadhi (Lakini's juice and turn my head). Pearl Jam play songs off all their albums and in a 3 concert stretch in 1 city they might play Alive once, so the fans who get it think they're heaps lucky, and the ones that don't get songs that are hardly ever played so they feel lucky too and the hard core fans can go to three or five concerts and hear nearly the entire back catalogue of the band

Live's concerts are heaps off the new album heaps off throwing copper, a fair few off the distance to here, jack off secret samadhi, jack off mental jewelry, jack off V (what ever happened to People Like You, transmit your love, like a soldier and hero of love), none of the rocky songs off birds of pray, so when you limit your back catalogue like that the concerts become formulaic.

I'm a live fan for life and I don't like it when bands newer stuff gets compared to their older stuff that evryone loves but when bands like u2 or coldplay or hoobastank or franz ferdinand are starting to sound heavier than live then I think the band needs to take stock and correct the ship. I don't think they're far away from being great again but it'll take some effort and no one said anything in life that's worthwhile is easy. GO LIVE