NYE Party At Think Loud Entertainment, "mingle with [CCP] and ask them all of these important q..." Options

[SJN1279]

If you're a CCP fan or a Live fan, you should want the reunion to be successful. I don't see Chris Shinn coming back at all, or The Gracious Few returning long term.

If you want to see CCP perform, Live with Ed is your best bet.

[vivapokey]

If you're a CCP fan or a Live fan, you should want the reunion to be successful. I don't see Chris Shinn coming back at all, or The Gracious Few returning long term.

If you want to see CCP perform, Live with Ed is your best bet.

Ok? None of that was really anything that I was talking about. But point being, CCP themselves lost a lot of fans with their (if we can use a term this board used to love) heel turn. Of course we won't see Chris with Live or TGF as a priority. None of that is disputed. But what I think needs to happen is see a reunion of CCP and yourself. A photo of yourself hugging it out with CAG. I reckon you should try and go to this NYE party because clearly the band is totally on board with the way you approach music.

[SJN1279]

Ok? None of that was really anything that I was talking about. But point being, CCP themselves lost a lot of fans with their (if we can use a term this board used to love) heel turn. Of course we won't see Chris with Live or TGF as a priority. None of that is disputed. But what I think needs to happen is see a reunion of CCP and yourself. A photo of yourself hugging it out with CAG. I reckon you should try and go to this NYE party because clearly the band is totally on board with the way you approach music.

Why would CCP fans be upset with them taking a more lucrative option? Would you want to have to work on the road, and come back with less money than you started with?

CCP want to play music, playing music with Ed is their best option to do what they do best, and make money at the same time.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Dec 5 2016, 8:56 pm

[vivapokey]

lol how do you still not get that "lucrative" isn't what a lot of people are interested in music for? Former CCP fans would likely be upset at CCP for selling out and taking this "lucrative" option over artistic integrity. All that they spent years crowing about flushed down the toilet in favour of a bigger pay day. I don't care about their finances, that's not my job. And it's very hard to get behind an artist whose biggest priority is money over quality of music.

But I digress. I think you and CCP should definitely bury the hatchet and be mates again since you're all on board the money train together. You should go along to the NYE party! You do want to reunite the fan base so, time for you and them to reunite I think. All bounded together under one common goal: get Ed more money

[mfitz804]

Pretty clear you'd still bitter. I'm leaving you out when I reunite the fanbase!!!

[vivapokey]

I wouldn't even really say bitter. More disappointed.

[Merica]

Why would CCP fans be upset with them taking a more lucrative option? Would you want to have to work on the road, and come back with less money than you started with?

CCP want to play music, playing music with Ed is their best option to do what they do best, and make money at the same time.

Well in this case the more lucrative option is also potentially (neigh: very probably) a step down in terms of the quality of music. And since I don't really care how much money they make, it's pretty simple to be disappointed and/or anxious and/or cautious about the road they've chosen to go down.

And that's not mentioning any of the known and/or alleged slights by Ed, or the way CCP dragged their loyal fans down a new exciting OMG IT'S SO GOOD NOW path only to pull a 180. Some of us are still down that new road going wait, wtf?

This post has been edited by Merica: Dec 6 2016, 6:33 am

[SJN1279]

I wouldn't even really say bitter. More disappointed.

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.

[Merica]

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.

Perhaps shows feel less important to those of us across the globe!

[Fool_By_The_River]

as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.

I would rather have music.

[vivapokey]

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.

To me it did work, better than anything they've done in 15yrs - a fantastic album and, for me at least, the best live show I have seen from them since 1997. But that is measuring it on musical output rather than measuring it on financial gains. Again, that's where you and I always differ.

[vivapokey]

Well in this case the more lucrative option is also potentially (neigh: very probably) a step down in terms of the quality of music. And since I don't really care how much money they make, it's pretty simple to be disappointed and/or anxious and/or cautious about the road they've chosen to go down.

And that's not mentioning any of the known and/or alleged slights by Ed, or the way CCP dragged their loyal fans down a new exciting OMG IT'S SO GOOD NOW path only to pull a 180. Some of us are still down that new road going wait, wtf?

I have this image of CCP loading up a big bus full of fans. Advertising the trip of a life time! It's going to be so much better than any other trip they've done over the past decade! This bus trip is everything so many of the fans had wanted! Sure it may be a budget trip and may be going off the beaten path, but we want that. We don't just want to go visit the biggest tourist attractions. So everyone loads into the bus and The Turn is blaring on the speakers and it's all going great and then the slam the breaks. They get off the bus without saying a word and walk away leaving everyone sitting there like "wait, wtf?" You then see another bus drive past with CCP and Ed hanging out the windows with those novelty sacks of money with the $ sign on them laughing while Parasite by Ed blares on that bus' speakers

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 6 2016, 8:21 am

[Merica]

Ha, yeah. As well as being funny, that's also pretty much how it feels. Kind of like you've been scammed a bit.

[FishOutaWater]

Pokey, I get where you are coming from. But time passes and things change. It's been years since they broke with Ed and years since they were in the studio making The Turn. When they moved forward with Chris and The Turn, they were into it. While it is possible that they decided that they wanted a money grab and just swallowed their pride with Ed, and screwed over the fans "on the bus", I think it is equally plausible that the collaboration with Chris Shinn fizzled for whatever reasons may have existed, they healed wounds with Ed (after all, they have been best friends since kindergarten and lived, works, travelled and created as a band together for more than 2 decades) and they decided to put effort into being Live with Ed again. I am not being a blind sucker about this. I will wait and see what it looks and sounds like before I make any judgments about whether I like what it is. But I am no more willing to assume that it is just a calculated money grab that will result in terrible music than I am willing to assume that this will be the greatest thing for Live fans. Frankly, the worst thing would be if it is somewhere in between, with average music that kinda sounds like Live but isn't quite great, and Ed and CCP fans are left unsure how to feel about the mending of the relationship, and it leaves it ambiguous about whether Live is good, bad or indifferent. That would just be a half measure that doesn't please anyone at all. I rather be fully happy or fully disappointed.

[vivapokey]

Pokey, I get where you are coming from. But time passes and things change. It's been years since they broke with Ed and years since they were in the studio making The Turn. When they moved forward with Chris and The Turn, they were into it. While it is possible that they decided that they wanted a money grab and just swallowed their pride with Ed, and screwed over the fans "on the bus", I think it is equally plausible that the collaboration with Chris Shinn fizzled for whatever reasons may have existed, they healed wounds with Ed (after all, they have been best friends since kindergarten and lived, works, travelled and created as a band together for more than 2 decades) and they decided to put effort into being Live with Ed again. I am not being a blind sucker about this. I will wait and see what it looks and sounds like before I make any judgments about whether I like what it is. But I am no more willing to assume that it is just a calculated money grab that will result in terrible music than I am willing to assume that this will be the greatest thing for Live fans. Frankly, the worst thing would be if it is somewhere in between, with average music that kinda sounds like Live but isn't quite great, and Ed and CCP fans are left unsure how to feel about the mending of the relationship, and it leaves it ambiguous about whether Live is good, bad or indifferent. That would just be a half measure that doesn't please anyone at all. I rather be fully happy or fully disappointed.

Nah, not buying it.

And even if I bought that it was all in the best of faith, at the end of the day it's about the music and the music will sound like Ed and that's a very bad thing to me.