The Songwriting of Live Options

[OutToDry]

You've spun your last post into your own agenda again. Walking Contradiction you are above all else. We know the major contributions Ed brought to Live. He wasn't a one man band. Your opinion is baseless when confronted with facts from the biggest sampling of dedicated Live fans. You fall as a fringe hanger on and a definite Ed fan. Never a fan of Live. This latest thread is proof of that. Are you ok? Neck doing ok? How bout the other parts of your body?

[themaestro]

I think Ed's EP is actually very good, and getting positive reviews from his fanbase. The one actual review from a website was very positive as well. I'M the Proof is also doing very well on Alternative Addiction.com charting high on the singles chart for the past month.

I can handle criticism, but no one here has been able to admit that Ed did the bulk of the songwriting for Live, and got shafted on the royalties by CCP. Did I expect agreement on this site, absolutely not. However, it is the truth, and people know it.

I give.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQl-lLPHnfE

[jayda]

How do you know he did the bulk of the songwriting? Songwriting is not just lyrics as others have pointed out time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again NICK, just in case you missed that point you silly sausage

And the shafted on the royalties bit by CCP...ummm, I do believe there was a legitimate contract in place? And who told you that anyway? Did Ed have a sook to you during one of your D&Ms?

I'm happy for you and Ed that you like his EP - I like people that aren't sheep. Ed must have been really happy with his 25,000 sales from Alive. Just imagine, if he were still in LIVE (with those 3 shafters), he probably would have sold 250,000...25,000 x 4 = $250,000.

WHAT THE FUCK??? THOSE SHAFTERS RIPPED HIM OFF AGAIN!!!! He should have sold at least 62,500 copies of Alive!!! Fucking SHAFTERS!!!

[FishOutaWater]

I think that LIve had 3 number 1 hits on the Billboard Alternative Charts.

Lightning Crashes 2/25/94
Selling the Drama 5/21/94
Lakini's Juice 3/1/97

Chad Taylor said "we [he and Ed] wrote Selling the Drama, Lightning Crashes and All Over You just the two of us hanging in a room."

We know that Chad Taylor delivered Lakini's Juice to the band, and he also stated that he delivered the music for Selling the Drama.

So of Live's 3 number one hits, Chad Taylor co-wrote Lightning Crashes and was basically responsible for Lakini's Juice and Selling the Drama.

He also says he delivered Operation Spirit, Stood Up For Love, Change, Still Aroused, Don't Wait. He co-wrote White Discussion and Damn At Otter Creek with Ed. Pat was responsible for Pillars of Davidson. Those songs are all pretty damn good songs that defined Live for a generation.

Ed wrote singer-songwriter songs like Turn My Head, The Distance, Dolphins Cry. Ed wrote Freaks - but what do I think of first when I think of freaks? The drums and the bass.

What's the point? It doesn't matter what the credits say on the liner notes. This is all bullshit. Live was four guys and when you see what made Live connect with fans and become relevant alternative rock, it had EVRYTHING to do with Gracey, Dahlheimer, Taylor and Kowalczyk and not just Ed.

And if I recall correctly, it was Chad Taylor's dad who helped them connect with their first well-connected producer and loaned them money with "bonds" along with otrher family memebrs so they could even start this thing. THEY WERE IN THIS TOGETHER!!!!!

As I said before, Ed would be selling DVD players at the Best Buy on the outskirts of York if he hadn't connected with those other three musicians.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Nov 28 2012, 5:45 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

I think Ed's EP is actually very good, and getting positive reviews from his fanbase. The one actual review from a website was very positive as well. I'M the Proof is also doing very well on Alternative Addiction.com charting high on the singles chart for the past month.

I can handle criticism, but no one here has been able to admit that Ed did the bulk of the songwriting for Live, and got shafted on the royalties by CCP. Did I expect agreement on this site, absolutely not. However, it is the truth, and people know it.

What we know Nick is that you're a pathetic little cunt hiding behind his keyboard. For you to make that statement shows how utterly fucking ignorant you are of the situation.

It couldn't be further from the truth, to the polar opposite actually. The only person shafting anybody for anything is Ed K, and he will eventually have to answer for, and pay it back. Ed did do the bulk of the songwriting and was shafted for nothing.

EXCEPT???? to ask for 70% of the royalties from future LIVE tours, when he was only one quarter of the band? Sure thing Ed K, the new Live will tour and give you 70% of the royalties you think you're entitled to. What a fucking mega cunt.......and what a perfect match you are!

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Nov 28 2012, 5:43 pm

[Hobbsy]

I think Ed's EP is actually very good, and getting positive reviews from his fanbase. The one actual review from a website was very positive as well. I'M the Proof is also doing very well on Alternative Addiction.com charting high on the singles chart for the past month.

I can handle criticism, but no one here has been able to admit that Ed did the bulk of the songwriting for Live, and got shafted on the royalties by CCP. Did I expect agreement on this site, absolutely not. However, it is the truth, and people know it.

Ed agreed to 25% and the band had an agreement in writing that stated that.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but its just sour grapes from Ed and dickheads like you.

Its like a little kid crying "that's not fair".

Ed got rich because of all of the hard work and efforts by CCP regardless of who wrote the music.

Funny, now that he has no money he's crying poor and believes he deserves more. Ripping off his bandmates didn't work, falsely advertising and billing himself didn't work and writing shit music didn't work either.

His day is coming, he's being sued for being misleading and dishonest and all of his recent behaviour just reinforces CCP's reason for commencing legal action in the first place.

[FishOutaWater]

P.S. - one other thing. Two Live albums topped the charts at #1. Throwing Copper and Secret Samadhi. We know that Ed could not claim sole responsibility for either of those albums. Chad and Ed worked together on much of Throwing Copper with substantial input from CG and PD. And Secret Samadhi? What about the fact that they all went down to Jamaica and got high and went nuts and worked out those songs together and made the album we have today. We all KNOW that happened. That is FACT.

What happens to a band when they have two number 1 albums and tour the world as a band? They get a big fan base that will buy their albums and request radio spins. And then those royalties have value. So how did those Live royalties get any of that value that Nick and Ed covet so much? From the foundation of great music created on the first several albums that all four of them created.

What we've got here is typical lead singer syndrome. Wah! It was all me. I deserve more because it was all me. Those guys didn't do anything. I should get all the money and all the credit. And Nick is like Gollum and Ed's success and validation is the Ring to him.

Where is Ed now? I am glad that CCP have banished him to a death sentence of isolation with his pathetic, naive, swooning fans.

BAM! That just happened.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Nov 28 2012, 5:54 pm

[SJN1279]

I think that LIve had 3 number 1 hits on the Billboard Alternative Charts.

Lightning Crashes 2/25/94
Selling the Drama 5/21/94
Lakini's Juice 3/1/97

Ed and Chad wrote some awesome music together, there is no denying that fact.

[alexou]

Wow what a read!

Did Ed come up with a statement about the writing process of the band since the break-up. The only point of view we have is Chad's. And I am really confident that he can see both sides of the medal. He can point out his sins.

As long as Ed stays silent, there is no reason to believe that the 25% for everyone agreement was wrong. And from the quality of the work the guys did during the first 4 records everyone deserved this equal amount.

And I hate to hear about Ed's deserving most of the concert royalties. Chad's stomping is also a trademark for the band. And Patrick's bass saved some boring songs...Did you listen Nick to Wings on Paradiso DVD? Do it...Pat gives life to this one. He wasn't restrained or castrated like in the studio. Not to talk about CAG.

This post has been edited by alexou: Nov 28 2012, 6:05 pm

[SJN1279]

As long as Ed stays silent, there is no reason to believe that the 25% for everyone agreement was wrong.

So CCP did 75 percent of the song writing for TDTH, V, and BOP?

[SJN1279]

P.S. - one other thing. Two Live albums topped the charts at #1. Throwing Copper and Secret Samadhi. We know that Ed could not claim sole responsibility for either of those albums. Chad and Ed worked together on much of Throwing Copper with substantial input from CG and PD. And Secret Samadhi? What about the fact that they all went down to Jamaica and got high and went nuts and worked out those songs together and made the album we have today. We all KNOW that happened. That is FACT.

Ed wrote the majority of the songs on Throwing Copper, with writing contributions interspersed by Chad T. and Pat. If you read the linear notes for Live at the Paradiso, you can see which songs Chad and Pat really had a hand in.

Secret Samadhi charted #1 due to the overwhelming success of Throwing Copper(especially Lightning Crashes which just exploded). The album itself was a disappointment to many fans(not me) and began Live's slide down off the mainstream.

[FishOutaWater]

So CCP did 75 percent of the song writing for TDTH, V, and BOP?

Everything was allocated pursuant to a written agreement dummy. It doesn;t do any good to whine about what was fair to justify Ed stealing money because he had a contractual obligation.

You don't just stop paying you rmortgage because your interest rate is higher than market rates and you can't refinance.

You are really an idiot.

[Copperhead]

Why such the concern for which band members get what percentage of royalties? Enjoy the music. It's like you are his agent and get paid a percentage of his revenue.

[FishOutaWater]

Ed wrote the majority of the songs on Throwing Copper, with writing contributions interspersed by Chad T. and Pat. If you read the linear notes for Live at the Paradiso, you can see which songs Chad and Pat really had a hand in.

Secret Samadhi charted #1 due to the overwhelming success of Throwing Copper(especially Lightning Crashes which just exploded). The album itself was a disappointment to many fans(not me) and began Live's slide down off the mainstream.

The liner notes on Paradiso, which was created after Ed had a strangle-hold death-grip around the necks of the rest of the band? That is what you are basing the foundation of your "who did what in 1994" argument. Seriously? I hope you can do better than that.

I guess Chad's creation Lakini's Juice was a number 1 single because everybody liked Throwing Copper? LJ hit the same number 1 that Lightening Crashes hit. And Lighting Crashes was a huge hit in part because MTV had the video on constant rotation for a year. Maybe the video director should get some percentage of Live's revenue too.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Nov 28 2012, 6:41 pm

[SJN1279]

Everything was allocated pursuant to a written agreement dummy. It doesn;t do any good to whine about what was fair to justify Ed stealing money because he had a contractual obligation.

You don't just stop paying you rmortgage because your interest rate is higher than market rates and you can't refinance.

You are really an idiot.

It just shows that CCP took advantage of the agreement, let Ed do the bulk of the work, and still took the same cut of the money. If they were true friends, they would have reworked the initial agreement to make the percentages reflect the workload of each member. Instead, they sat back and collected.