The Songwriting of Live Options

[FishOutaWater]

The answer to the question that Nick is asking over and over again is really simple. Is it fair that CCP received 30% of the royalties on songs that Ed wrote?

Setting the entire argument aside about whether CCP contributed to the final songs or not, the answer is still yes. That was the contractual agreement presented by Ed and signed by all four of them. Ed had a contractual agreement to pay them 30%. So they were entitled to it, and receiving it was fair. If Ed later rethhought it and decided it wasn't fair to him and then went off and signed another secret contract and took 100% of a $1 million payment, that doesn't make Ed right. That was not fair of Ed. That was breaching a contract.

Number two, and I know this is something Nick should understand because it relates to album sales. If the numbers OTD metnioned a few pages ago are correct and SFBM sold 250,000 and Alive sold 25,000 - why do you think that is? It's because the Live brand and franchise and fanbase, built up by all four members over a 20 year period and touring the world, enables the band Live to sell 250,000 copies of a piece of shit. And Ed got 70% of 250,000 copies sold. Ed alone, without Live, sold 25,000 copies of Alive. Why the big drop-off? Because not only was it also a piece of shit, but it wasn't Live. Live was a four-way entity and if you want to sell your Ed-written shit using the Live name and sell 250,000 copies, you have to attribute some of that success to the fact that all four of them together as Live meant something and all four of them are entitled to share in it.

If SFBM (with BM being the operative acronym there) could sell 250,000 copies, I can't wait to see what LIve's next album will sell. Won't it be cool if they sell hundreds of thousands of copies without Ed and he is left with his little solo career while CCP go on to find continued success?

I really love this arguing. This is fun.

[Pokey]

His logic is so flawed, he says Ed wrote 100% of everything, which is what he is doing now, and that CCP are no good, yet Ed is writing 100% of everything now, and for some reason he still wants him to go back to Live? That logic does not lend any reason as to why he wants Live back with Ed for any MUSICAL purposes. He purely wants it for financial and commercial reasons because of the name. HOW is that being a fan of Live? HOW?

[OutToDry]

Worship of demigod, worship of idols, fantasyland, alterntive reality....pure nutso.

Pedestal of Fantasy, here comes the big boulder

[Copperhead]

So far I have felt the closest new Live we have gotten has been the TGF album and not Alive or The Garden. Ed certainly isn't bringing Live type music to us any longer. To this I would say the music is at least as equal to if not greater than the voice/lyrics which means all members should share equally in the royalties for the band.

[themaestro]

I really don't get why the 30% is in question all of the sudden. I guess if he can somehow show proof that Ed was entitled to 100% the secret contract becomes acceptable. I can hear his lawyers using that logic now.

[themaestro]

So far I have felt the closest new Live we have gotten has been the TGF album and not Alive or The Garden. Ed certainly isn't bringing Live type music to us any longer. To this I would say the music is at least as equal to if not greater than the voice/lyrics which means all members should share equally in the royalties for the band.

Exactly. The day I first heard TGF it really drove home just how much CCP were a part of Live. Not that I didn't know that but they had been muted for sometime.

[PillarOfDavidson]

POD is a much better song all around. You're back on your money grubbing angles again.

I've stayed away from this virtual shit hole for a while, but I had to log back in just to agree with this. Those scintillating bass lines, those haunting guitar chords, the steady march of the drums... and then the explosion of beauty in the choruses. Bitchin' song.

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

And I had to log in to respond to this cock-sucked bunch of non-sense.

The idea that Chad Gracey "didn't write anything" is pure unadulterated bullshit. Every beat and rhythm on those Live albums were *written*. His drum parts are every bit as much apart of the songs that were written as any notes, chords, melodies, or harmonies. It's in the fabric of the music. Another drummer would've come up with different parts, changing the dynamic of the songs completely and thereby changing the impact the songs would've had.

Not that it would make any difference because you'd still be lying your political ass off, but it's so obvious that you aren't a musician it hurts deep inside... inside the place where shit is churned and pushed out my ass.

~finito, fucco~

This post has been edited by PillarOfDavidson: Nov 28 2012, 12:58 pm

[themaestro]

Look at the top comment for this awesome video. The bass isn't so bad either. Yeah, CG and PD didn't contribute much to TC. What an idiot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZAspaIkZrM

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 28 2012, 1:10 pm

[+Ed+]

Worship of demigod

I read: worship of demonoid


And was like: wow, we're talking infernal shit from now on

[SJN1279]

Number two, and I know this is something Nick should understand because it relates to album sales. If the numbers OTD metnioned a few pages ago are correct and SFBM sold 250,000 and Alive sold 25,000 - why do you think that is? It's because the Live brand and franchise and fanbase, built up by all four members over a 20 year period and touring the world, enables the band Live to sell 250,000 copies of a piece of shit. And Ed got 70% of 250,000 copies sold. Ed alone, without Live, sold 25,000 copies of Alive. Why the big drop-off? Because not only was it also a piece of shit, but it wasn't Live. Live was a four-way entity

So if Live was an entity for the four of them, how do you feel about them moving on with a new singer? Do you think their new album will outsell SFBM? The Gracious Few with Kevin Martin replacing Ed sold about the same as Alive in the US and didn't fare well at all overseas.

Touring wise, Live was always the four of them(and I would include Adam as a huge part of the band in that respect). Writing wise, Ed was the main force and deserved a bigger share of the pie than he received.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Nov 28 2012, 1:23 pm

[Pokey]

So if Live was an entity for the four of them, how do you feel about them moving on with a new singer? Do you think their new album will outsell SFBM? The Gracious Few with Kevin Martin replacing Ed sold about the same as Alive in the US and didn't fare well at all overseas.

Touring wise, Live was always the four of them(and I would include Adam as a huge part of the band in that respect). Writing wise, Ed was the main force and deserved a bigger share of the pie than he received.

You are LITERALLY a moron.

You can not answer a god damn thing you spineless wimp, everything gets answered with a question. When you were getting married and the priest asked if you took this woman..., did you reply with "Well do you take her...?"

This post has been edited by Pokey: Nov 28 2012, 1:28 pm

[SJN1279]

To answer the question, I believe that Ed wrote the bulk of the music and melody for the majority of Live's songs. If Pat or Chad added anything extra, it was credited on the album. A person can write a complete song and have others perform it. Not every person who contributes to a band musically receives songwriting credit or royalty.

[Pokey]

I believe that Ed wrote the bulk of the music and melody for the majority of Live's songs.

Right well there you go, "I believe", you may as well have ended that sentence with "that Ed is a 40 foot penguin" because no one gives a shit what you believe since you can't back it up. Your opinion does not make fact.

If Pat or Chad added anything extra, it was credited on the album.

You do not know this for a fact. If so, prove it.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Nov 28 2012, 1:30 pm

[+Ed+]

To answer the question, I believe that Ed wrote the bulk of the music and melody for the majority of Live's songs. If Pat or Chad added anything extra, it was credited on the album. A person can write a complete song and have others perform it. Not every person who contributes to a band musically receives songwriting credit or royalty.

You have not answered my question.
I have not asked you about songwriting credits or royaltities.
Could you please try and say "Yes" or "No".

I can give you an example. RHCP alwasy say: song was written by Kiedis (vocs), Flea (bass), John (guitar) and Chad (drums)

Do you see my point?

Now please, answer my question. I am very eager to receive a one-word answer. And for sure I do nlt want it to be an F-word.

[FishOutaWater]

So if Live was an entity for the four of them, how do you feel about them moving on with a new singer? Do you think their new album will outsell SFBM? The Gracious Few with Kevin Martin replacing Ed sold about the same as Alive in the US and didn't fare well at all overseas.

Touring wise, Live was always the four of them(and I would include Adam as a huge part of the band in that respect). Writing wise, Ed was the main force and deserved a bigger share of the pie than he received.

I knew that you were gong to pick that one paragraph out and challenge it. I knew it when I wrote it.

CCCP is now Live. My point is that "Live" is the brand and has the fan base. I don't doubt that all things being equal, Live will liely lose fans and will not sell as well because it does not have its original line-up. But based on the increase in music quality they might pick up a few too. And if a song gets released as a single from the band "Live" it will enjoy the built in goodwill fo the brand.

One thing that TGF did that Ed did not do is they did not exploit there live roots and the Live brand in their promotion and concerts. Sure, it was in the bio of the band. But they did not lead with that to milk the value out fo the Live brand like Ed is trying to do. Kevin didn't replace Ed. TGF was a different sound and a different brand and they did not exploit the Live email distribution list or fan base.

I bet the next Live album will outsell Alive and TGF combined, and if it is a really good album and gets some attention and they properly support it with touring and promotion, it might very well outsell SFBM.