The Songwriting of Live Options

[OutToDry]

CCP had no problem taking 75 percent song writing credit and money for songs that Ed basically wrote 100 percent himself. I think that is a pretty crummy thing to do to a friend.

Let me spin that on you son of spin..... They were all 25% until Ed gave them an ultimatum to want it all. There is written copyright proof that the guys contributed to some lyrics and all music. Chad Taylor's music was a canvas for Ed to paint on. Ed's proven this to be true with all his overused lyrics and themes which we've gotten since V. Ed's also gone and done the unthinkable with what is being litigated in court and what the discovery phase turned up. He's lower than pond scum. He's changed into a loathe some human being and is scamming you all. Nick is the mouthpiece of deception.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Nov 27 2012, 5:17 pm

[SJN1279]

Show me where it's written that Ed solely wrote all those songs? Lyrics and music? Don't worry about SFBM, but everything else? Seriously?

Live at the Paradiso album:

All music and lyrics by Ed Kowalczyk except(songs Chad Taylor contributed with Ed on)

Selling the Drama
Lakini's Juice
Operation Spirit
Purifier

[SJN1279]

Let me spin that on you son of spin..... They were all 25% until Ed gave them an ultimatum to want it all.

Yes, because he was writing the majority of the music. 75 percent to CCP and 25 percent to the man doing most of the songwriting is hardly a fair deal.

[OutToDry]

It is crummy to get paid for something you don't participate in. They let Ed do the majority of the work throughout the band's run, and they took the majority of the compensation.

Then they sue when Ed creates a new contract that entitles him to 100 percent of the songwriting credit(which he deserved).

Ed did some really bad things, downright criminal.. He should not only pay up, but go to jail if he doesn't or can't.You agreeing with this is on par of what i believe your view on things being ethical or whatnot in conflict of what I believe and follow.

[SJN1279]

Ed did some really bad things, downright criminal.. He should not only pay up, but go to jail if he doesn't or can't.You agreeing with this is on par of what i believe your view on things being ethical or whatnot in conflict of what I believe and follow.

I think Ed more than paid CCP since they got 75 percent of the royalties of Lightning Crashes....

[OutToDry]

Your math is all off mr teacher. 4 guys 25% each. Learn it know it accept it. That was the contract that bound them until Ed got ultra greedy. He gave an ultimatum to change it And then did secret back stabbing things to ensure he'd get all of the money. Basically wanting to take live a to himself and render ccp like daughter did by going solo and recording his band material as solo. It's no coincidence Ed has done same thing. Dirty stuff. Enjoy fluffing a criminal.

[OutToDry]

LIVE's contract ended with Awake. Do you feel it was fair for Chad T Chad G and Pat to have 25 percent songwriting royalties on songs that they didn't write?

A new contract where Ed would get all the credit and royalties for the music he created solo seems fair to me.

He demanded the change, got 70%. The proceeded to setup secret contract withLevin to take all monies. Ed's power play is about over.....welcome to the lounge act!!!

[SJN1279]

Do you feel it was fair that the boys of Live received a 25 percent equal split on songwriting royalties, when not all members had equal contribution to the process? Chad Taylor recently wrote in a blog:

Ed seemed overly frustrated with the absence of PD and CG. I did all I could to help him see the value everyone brought to the table. To this day, I believe that the old line-up ended in that room; at least for Ed. It was simple for either he and I to just write what we wanted and present to the guys. In hind sight, we totally fucked up. Our internal communication with horrible and we simply didn’t know any better. I’ve asked myself a million times why I didn’t tell CG to not move to the west coast or demand that PD show up. I’m a better leader now but it hurts to know that I could have done more to protect the creative chemistry of the band. I’ll blame it on youth but who knew….

The notes on the linear notes for Live at the Paradiso read:

All music and lyrics by Ed Kowalczyk except(songs Chad Taylor contributed with Ed on)
Selling the Drama
Lakini's Juice
Operation Spirit
Purifier

Should CCP have amended their contract to give Ed a higher percentage or where they justified in making Ed do the majority of the songwriting work, but taking the same cut of the money?

[FishOutaWater]

It's a shame that all of these facts and real history will get deleted by Dan when he wakes up. The truth ought to be out there somewhere.

[SJN1279]

He demanded the change, got 70%. The proceeded to setup secret contract withLevin to take all monies. Ed's power play is about over.....welcome to the lounge act!!!

Did CCP write 30 percent of SFBM?

[PurdueSteve]

Do you feel it was fair that the boys of Live received a 25 percent equal split on songwriting royalties, when not all members had equal contribution to the process? Chad Taylor recently wrote in a blog:

Ed seemed overly frustrated with the absence of PD and CG. I did all I could to help him see the value everyone brought to the table. To this day, I believe that the old line-up ended in that room; at least for Ed. It was simple for either he and I to just write what we wanted and present to the guys. In hind sight, we totally fucked up. Our internal communication with horrible and we simply didn’t know any better. I’ve asked myself a million times why I didn’t tell CG to not move to the west coast or demand that PD show up. I’m a better leader now but it hurts to know that I could have done more to protect the creative chemistry of the band. I’ll blame it on youth but who knew….

The notes on the linear notes for Live at the Paradiso read:

All music and lyrics by Ed Kowalczyk except(songs Chad Taylor contributed with Ed on)
Selling the Drama
Lakini's Juice
Operation Spirit
Purifier

Should CCP have amended their contract to give Ed a higher percentage or where they justified in making Ed do the majority of the songwriting work, but taking the same cut of the money?

You're confusing things. Ed did not write PD's bass lines or CAG's fills. Those are created by the respective member. What CT is referring to is the arrangement and collaborative process wherein a song (of which Ed may have wrote the lyrics and core guitar on) gets arranged, pre-chorus or breakdowns added.

[FishOutaWater]

Did CCP write 30 percent of SFBM?

There would have been no SFBM on a Sony label without CCP dummy. SFBM sales and touring was based on the foundation of LIVE and what 4 guys built together. Ed would have never gotten to sell a seventh album to Millions of Live fans without the foundation all 4 of them built. It should have been 4 ways even for life because without the 4 of them, there would not be millions of Live fans. How is it that you cannot see that?!?!

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Nov 27 2012, 6:00 pm

[SJN1279]

There would have been no SFBM on a Sony label without CCP dummy. SFBM sales and touring was based on the foundation of LIVE and what 4 guys built together. Ed would have never gotten to sell a seventh album to Millions of Live fans without the foundation all 4 of them built. It should have been 4 ways even for life because without the 4 of them, there would not be millions of Live fans. How is it that you cannot see that?!?!

That still doesn't mean they should have gotten 30 percent of the songwriting royalties for songs that they didn't write.

[alexou]

Nick, go listen to Mother earth is a viscious crowd and tell me Chad Gracey didn't write anything...and after listen to Good pain, and after Operation spirit...and after White, Discussion, and after Lightning Crashes...

Yes, Lightning Crashes is good mostly because of the rythmics. Since the guitar parts are basics (but efficient), listen to the rythmics...yes, give it a try. When I listen to this song I listen to the bridge and last chorus a few times because of the drums. Everything is perfect there. Listen Nick, listen.

Not to talk about Ghost, Lakini's Juice, Rattlesnake Heropsychodreamer. I hope it's not too early in the catalog for you. But listen to the MUSIC, not only EK.

[FishOutaWater]

That still doesn't mean they should have gotten 30 percent of the songwriting royalties for songs that they didn't write.

Isn't the 25% split among CCP the ultimatum that Ed gave them and the contract that he signed and agreed to with them? Are you now saying that he shouldn't have even honored his own proposal and written agreement with them and he was entitled to steal it all and give them 0%? They should have gotten at least the 25% because those were Ed's terms, right?