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[JonSnow]

Bizarrely, Chad Gracey is using a thread about this on the FansofLive facebook group to spread COVID conspiracy theories and promote some ridiculous film about it.

Why is it bizarre?

[Pingfah]

Why is it bizarre?

It was not relevant to what was being discussed.

Further, the doc in question is absurd, a hotch-potch of nonsense conspiracies about vaccine deaths, full of easily disproveable assertions and made-up or misrepresented statistics, and utterly laughable sources being passed off as medical experts. Anybody not rolling around on the floor in laughter after 5 minutes of watching would have to be a scientifically and journalistically illiterate halfwit. Which I guess is just disappointing, rather than bizarre. He is a drummer, after all.

[JonSnow]

It was not relevant to what was being discussed.

Further, the doc in question is absurd, a hotch-potch of nonsense conspiracies about vaccine deaths, full of easily disproveable assertions and made-up or misrepresented statistics, and utterly laughable sources being passed off as medical experts. Anybody not rolling around on the floor in laughter after 5 minutes of watching would have to be a scientifically and journalistically illiterate halfwit. Which I guess is just disappointing, rather than bizarre. He is a drummer, after all.

I won't speak to the documentary you're talking about because I don't know what it is and I haven't seen it. But there is this notion out there that there shouldn't be any kinds of questions asked of the so-called "experts" who, for a good long while, kept saying that the people who got the vaccine didn't need to worry about catching it when, lo and behold, plenty of people who got the vax wound up catching it anyway. And every time people ask why these young and very healthy athletes are dropping dead, something that keeps happening more and more, they get shouted down as "insensitive" or gullible dullards. It's quick and decisive dismissiveness. But how many more Damar Hamlin's have to collapse on a national tv before the questions start to drown out the pushback?

Tagging the questioning of everything as propaganda and those who question as kooks is itself a form of propaganda. Idgaf who thinks what about those asking questions. If the government and these pharma companies were lying about what was in these vaccines and about how dire it was for people to actually take such unproven vaccines I wanna fucking know about it. Especially since a number of people's lives and/or businesses were ruined/destroyed because of lockdown and masking mandates.

Like a lot of people I got the "clotshot", fwiw, because I bought into all the propanda guilting us into this idea that if we didn't it meant we didn't give a shit about the people around us. And I wish to fucking hell I had listened to my instincts telling me not to. Hopefully my worry is unfounded. But the more questions get asked with unsatisfying answers the more rooted it becomes.

[LiveFan92]

And every time people ask why these young and very healthy athletes are dropping dead, something that keeps happening more and more, they get shouted down as "insensitive" or gullible dullards. It's quick and decisive dismissiveness.

This seems pretty off topic, but I'm always curious about this assertion that every day healthy athletes are just dropping dead left and right but no one but people who believe in conspiracies can see it. Can you share a legit source that says more "very healthy athletes" are dropping dead this year than in, say, 2019?

[Chapps]

I won't speak to the documentary you're talking about because I don't know what it is and I haven't seen it. But there is this notion out there that there shouldn't be any kinds of questions asked of the so-called "experts" who, for a good long while, kept saying that the people who got the vaccine didn't need to worry about catching it when, lo and behold, plenty of people who got the vax wound up catching it anyway. And every time people ask why these young and very healthy athletes are dropping dead, something that keeps happening more and more, they get shouted down as "insensitive" or gullible dullards. It's quick and decisive dismissiveness. But how many more Damar Hamlin's have to collapse on a national tv before the questions start to drown out the pushback?

Tagging the questioning of everything as propaganda and those who question as kooks is itself a form of propaganda. Idgaf who thinks what about those asking questions. If the government and these pharma companies were lying about what was in these vaccines and about how dire it was for people to actually take such unproven vaccines I wanna fucking know about it. Especially since a number of people's lives and/or businesses were ruined/destroyed because of lockdown and masking mandates.

Like a lot of people I got the "clotshot", fwiw, because I bought into all the propanda guilting us into this idea that if we didn't it meant we didn't give a shit about the people around us. And I wish to fucking hell I had listened to my instincts telling me not to. Hopefully my worry is unfounded. But the more questions get asked with unsatisfying answers the more rooted it becomes.

I would love to see your source, because everything I've read since Hamlin collapsed, and it's been a lot, show that the number of young healthy athletes collapsing is actually lower than it was in the early 2000's.

[Pingfah]

Google Medical School still churning out high quality graduates I see.

I don't care about "questions" from Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs isn't qualified to even ask relevant and pertinent questions, let alone assess the answers. Joe Bloggs doesn't even know what he doesn't know.

[LiveFan92]

I would love to see your source, because everything I've read since Hamlin collapsed, and it's been a lot, show that the number of young healthy athletes collapsing is actually lower than it was in the early 2000's.

Yeah, but some rando on YouTube said otherwise, so that outweighs all of the actual studies and research done by dedicated professionals...

[Chapps]

Yeah, but some rando on YouTube said otherwise, so that outweighs all of the actual studies and research done by dedicated professionals...

My bad, I completely forgot about the science of Youtube.

[JonSnow]

Yeah, but some rando on YouTube said otherwise, so that outweighs all of the actual studies and research done by dedicated well-lubricated professionals...

Appeal to authority gonna appeal.

[Orion0767]

It was not relevant to what was being discussed.

Further, the doc in question is absurd, a hotch-potch of nonsense conspiracies about vaccine deaths, full of easily disproveable assertions and made-up or misrepresented statistics, and utterly laughable sources being passed off as medical experts. Anybody not rolling around on the floor in laughter after 5 minutes of watching would have to be a scientifically and journalistically illiterate halfwit. Which I guess is just disappointing, rather than bizarre. He is a drummer, after all.

Do you mean in the same way that your comment was completely irrelevant to what’s being discussed in this thread ? A thread about the bands legal affairs and inner turmoil ? Turning it into a Chad Gracey is a conspiracy theorist themed affair ? Hmmm, that’s funny ….

[Bremang]

Do you mean in the same way that your comment was completely irrelevant to what's being discussed in this thread ? A thread about the bands legal affairs and inner turmoil ? Turning it into a Chad Gracey is a conspiracy theorist themed affair ? Hmmm, that's funny ….

If a Live member is using a facebook thread about the legal affair to promote something off topic, I think it's worth discussing and relevant to the discussion.

[Orion0767]

If a Live member is using a facebook thread about the legal affair to promote something off topic, I think it's worth discussing and relevant to the discussion.

Nah, calling him out for being irrelevant to the discussion by being irrelevant to the discussion is not relevant. It’s simple hypocrisy but whatevs.

[LiveFan92]

Appeal to authority gonna appeal.

I notice you couldn't provide any sources for your assertions... Interesting.

[JonSnow]

More fodder for all the "tin foil hat wearers" out there, I guess...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM

[LiveFan92]

More fodder for all the "tin foil hat wearers" out there, I guess...

Project Veritas is not a reputable source. Far right group that specializes in faked, manipulated, and deceptively edited videos. Produces propaganda. Has been successfully sued for fraudulent misrepresentation, which is an easy accusation to beat if you are innocent. All you have to do is show the UNCUT footage and that footage shows what you said it true.

Dude... I don't like the big pharmaceutical companies one bit, and I know the dopamine hit from being outraged is fun, but the people who unquestionably accept every made up conspiracy theory make it that much harder for people who have legit concerns about the government to be heard. Because now, when something of legitimate concern comes up, most of the population just tunes out since they assume it is like every other unfounded and made up thing the tin hat wearers have been babbling about.

Plus: people like Project Veritas are USING YOUR CONCERNS to make lots and lots of money. You are just a gullible rube to them. Don't let them use you.

This post has been edited by LiveFan92: Jan 27 2023, 9:24 am