"Secret" Gift for downloaders of Cyberdust app (Churchbox), Secret Samadhi Churchbox Sessions 1996 Options

[ThrowgnCpr]

Chad distributed knowledge of the link in an openly advertised invitation to join Cyber Dust through a small site called Facebook. He clearly did this assuming no one would leak it, because Chad actually believes people on the internet retain integrity??? I think you're assuming some naivety that doesn't actually exist. Chad knew this would leak and he knew it was a way to bypass any greater powers who might prevent its distribution, whether that be Ed, Sony or the fucking boogeyman. Give the man some intellectual credit. Just because he stood next to Ed for all those post-2000 years doesn't mean he's completely devoid of understanding.

[throwing_cheetahs]

I finally got the version of "Cheetah" i've always wanted, now i can Die happy!

TC

[Bremang]

All you have done now is guarantee that there will be no future material offered up to fans that we've been waiting a long time to hear.

Whenever Chad gives out material again (like TWAIT) we'll know your "guarantee" is not true.

I think a lot of people here showed their true colors.

yeah, live fans

This post has been edited by Bremang: Mar 17 2015, 3:12 pm

[Hoodstock]

I will never feel guilty for enjoying Churchbox.

[SinfulEyes]

Some people are taking all of this a bit too personally. If the band chooses to stop releasing stuff to the fans then so be it. To most people there are more important things to worry and get all worked up about than this.

[mattyeagles]

Some people are taking all of this a bit too personally. If the band chooses to stop releasing stuff to the fans then so be it. To most people there are more important things to worry and get all worked up about than this.

agreed...the outrage from some people directed towards fans who wanted to hear this music is very very strange

[LiveRoCkS77]

Another person trying to tell everyone how to be a true fan of Live. There is no set criteria/requirement to being a fan, its just liking their music. Get off your high horse.

TC

I'm not trying anyone how to be a true or real fan, stop acting like a child and trying to justify your own nonsense.

I said simply that CT asked that as individuals, we not share this with anyone. Is that statement somehow too difficult for you to understand buddy? He asked people to keep it to themselves PERIOD.

Respecting someones wishes means you do just that for them. Not coming back on a website to profess what a narcissistic idiot somebody is for choosing a certain method to get it out there. And all because you didn't get it? Crying like a fucking child stomps his feet and pulls a tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants.

So if getting "off my high horse" means doing as CT wishes when he asks I don't share this with anyone? Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Why don't you try showing a little respect buddy, some respect for a member of a band you are SUPPOSEDLY "a fan of"

I didn't think this method was the best way to get this out there neither. I think it probably was a bit unfair to those who were engaged in activities through no fault of their own. But to then sit there and talk shit about how arrogant he is "to only give it to fans who stalk the band?" And the various other comments that have been made here?

Who, out of ANY of you, actually knows why he chose this method? Ever stop to think there might be legal reasons? Who knows what they might be. I don't think his intention was to give it to some and just say fuck everyone else who wasn't around. But that's all I'm fucking hearing from you people around here. So excuse me for being up on "my high horse" for being a little cheesed when I see people jumping to these conclusions when not one of you has a single fucking clue as to what his motivations or reasoning was. I would think that as a "fan" and I use that term really loosely as it applies to some of you people, would show a little more respect for his wishes and be a little more patient with him, you know, considering you are a "fan" of the band?

I mean, how many of you tried messaging him or asking him for it directly? Or did it just makes more sense as a "fan" to come to this site to bitch and whine, while calling the guy names. Great fans of the band this place has.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Whenever Chad gives out material again (like TWAIT) we'll know your "guarantee" is not true.



yeah, live fans

AND have you heard anything since this was pirated here? And since when is a version of a new song long, lost unlistened to material that people have been wanting to hear for a long time?

Try again with your unclever attempts at sarcasm you brilliant mind you. So why not try making a valid statement when trying to discredit the context of my assertion? A raw version of a song that was already released in studio and to the radio?

Get any dusts from CT lately have you? You think any of you will EVER get to hear any of the old recordings of songs that people only wonder exist? Yeah, are you getting the picture yet pal? Tis doesn't include a guitar up version of "the river" neither in case you're going to try and blow that out of context too oh brilliant one.

[LiveRoCkS77]

agreed...the outrage from some people directed towards fans who wanted to hear this music is very very strange

Maybe because IT IS personal to people like OTD, JIMMY and others who are close to the band personally and have respect for them?

Maybe CT is a bit naïve in thinking the fans that have followed the band for a number of years would simply take heed to a simple request not to share this music? Ever think of that side of it? I agree with the user who said that thinking might be a bit naïve, but I also think he thought that by asking his fans not to share the music, that they would respect his wishes and not spread it out over the internet for money. That people, ESPECIALLY people who run FANSITES for the band, would not openly offer money for it, then proceed to distribute it to any tom dick or fucking harry who crawls out of the woodwork and asks for it.

If any of you think that being a fan of THIS band in any way exemplifies this kind of behavior, I think that's of far greater concern than someone being a little cheesed that people chose to disrespect the wishes of an artist they been following and supporting for almost 20 years. Yeah, in today's climate, expecting people not to leak is naïve for sure, but expecting fans of your band to respect your wishes when they given something of this magnitude isn't as much of a stretch as some of you think it is. Having faith that the true fans of your band won't sell you out isn't much to ask at all.

Having a guy who runs a fucking fansite in the name of your band put up a hundred bucks for material you asked NOT to be shared, then proceed to share it with anyone who sends a private message is flat out dirty, lowlife, disrespectful, ignorant and flat out devoid of class.

[mattyeagles]

Maybe because IT IS personal to people like OTD, JIMMY and others who are close to the band personally and have respect for them?

Maybe CT is a bit naïve in thinking the fans that have followed the band for a number of years would simply take heed to a simple request not to share this music? Ever think of that side of it? I agree with the user who said that thinking might be a bit naïve, but I also think he thought that by asking his fans not to share the music, that they would respect his wishes and not spread it out over the internet for money. That people, ESPECIALLY people who run FANSITES for the band, would not openly offer money for it, then proceed to distribute it to any tom dick or fucking harry who crawls out of the woodwork and asks for it.

If any of you think that being a fan of THIS band in any way exemplifies this kind of behavior, I think that's of far greater concern than someone being a little cheesed that people chose to disrespect the wishes of an artist they been following and supporting for almost 20 years. Yeah, in today's climate, expecting people not to leak is naïve for sure, but expecting fans of your band to respect your wishes when they given something of this magnitude isn't as much of a stretch as some of you think it is. Having faith that the true fans of your band won't sell you out isn't much to ask at all.


Having a guy who runs a fucking fansite in the name of your band put up a hundred bucks for material you asked NOT to be shared, then proceed to share it with anyone who sends a private message is flat out dirty, lowlife, disrespectful, ignorant and flat out devoid of class.

If the band had to choose between fans having no interest in hearing songs that they promised they would release years ago or fans sharing music to a limited group of fans who have stuck with the band throughout the years, which do you think would be their preference? I would say the latter...at this point in their career, they should be ecstatic that there is a huge desire for lifelong fans to hear a demo recording from ~20 years ago

[LiveRoCkS77]

But with the issues surrounding the band and the music, I'm sure it had something to do with it's method of release. It was simply an attempt to give those lifelong fans a chance to hear these songs, which they otherwise wouldn't. I'd imagine there are legal issues everywhere. And I'd bet this was part of the reason CT asked the fans that got it not to share it.

I understand your point, but here you have a guy running a LIVE fansite, who in a public forum, is offering money for these recordings and handing them out to anyone with any interest.

[ThrowgnCpr]

I think there WERE legal reasons, and that is exactly why Chad said "do not distribute." But what a few of us here are arguing is that what he said, and what he meant are two very different things. He said "do not distribute" to cover his ass, but if he really didn't want it spread around, he wouldn't have released it via the internet AT ALL. I think it was just a clever way for him to get this released, and yes, for people to spread it - without having any personal liability in the matter.

I suspect he never intended to share other older material like this. Whether anyone shared it or not, it was easy to find out what the original contents of the message were. I bet we'll only get newer material via cyber dust in the future, regardless of the churchbox demos spreading.

[LiveRoCkS77]

While I'm also on my high horse, I have a bit more to say. So bear with me, because when it seems anyone contradicts anything you people think, they are so called elitists and things of such nature. So I don't expect many of you to understand for various reasons I find to be obvious.

Through my battle with cancer, on two occasions, I've gained perspective on a few things. I've always lacked tact, but I've learned to shape my musings into something more comprehensible.


LIVE

Live represents something to me as a human being and as a simple fan. Live has a spiritual essence that has taught me many things. Forgiveness, love, strength, tolerance...to name a few. I've used these things in the way I live my life and the way I raise my children. They are both compassionate smart, strong young women. I love them more than life itself. I owe their existence and the way they were raised, in part to what Live instilled in me, Ed included. Their music taught me to forgive, where I didn't think forgiveness was possible. Tolerance where I was unable to tolerate. And MOST important to LOVE unconditionally. To LOVE through the hate and to bear the scars of the wounds I have suffered and bear them to be my OWN. MY WOUNDS. Not to inflict the results of those wounds on others. Not to use what resulted from those wounds as a weapon to hurt others. But instead to love, to follow what I am deep down inside and not to allow the HATE to change who I am and allow that hate to dictate what I unleash upon others.

So the walls we all put up, I've learned finally to break mine down and let the love I have inside shine through. Am I still a dick sometimes? Fuck yes. That's part of who I am as well and admitting to that fault is a cross I bear and will always bear right to my grave. LIVE taught me to accept who I am regardless of the good or the bad. But with one important message that has always shone through. "Suffer the wound"....and those wounds are mine. I will no longer use those wounds to inflict pain or discord upon others. They are not an excuse to abuse as I have been abused. But the light, as a result, a tool to use to shine love and instill all the greatness I possess into the lives of others.

The essence of LIVE taught me so many things. What bothers me here, is that Live's message throughout all these years has always been a great one, yet seems to be largely ignored to the people that roam this place. That makes me an elitist? No, it makes me someone who fails to understand what message you've received from this band and how it seems to have been completely lost on many of you. I'm listening to justifications that make no sense, that are completely void of personal responsibility. People talking about the age of the internet and using that as an excuse. What about everyone accepting personal responsibility as a fan of this band and acting in good faith as a fan? It seems to me that the essence of this band is completely lost on many of you and that you are simply happy to have gotten what you wanted, regardless of how you got it or who you hurt in the process? Because if you asked someone not to share something and hoped they'd respect you enough to do that, wouldn't you be upset if they turned around and spilled the beans? Every single one of you would and that makes every single one of you the worst of hypocrits.

Even those who swore AGAINST this place, came slithering over to this place, begging everyone for a piece of this recording. It's a black hole, but when it has something you want, you come running back with your hands out without thinking twice about it. Yet I've seen several users who didn't get it, respect the wishes of the band and take it in stride. And when they post here, they're called elitists? While in the same breath, you continue to call CT names of various degree? Yet you're begging for his recordings still? And why? Because he chose a method you don't agree for with it's release? How can you call yourself a fan of this band and turn around a bash one of it's members, all because of how he released a recording you happened not to get? You want to talk about being misguided? About being elitist? Try looking into the mirror for a changer and looking at yourself for exactly what you are. Because you are not fans of this band and that is what is OFFENSIVE here.

You chose to sell out on this band for an old demo recording. You chose to act like little kids and throw away everything this band has exemplified over the years for a simple recording. That in itself speaks volumes about what kind of "fans" you people are. I hope you enjoyed the recording and I hope you are happy for STOMPING over everything this band has stood for since day one. So go ahead and blame it on the internet and go ahead and blame it on CT and this and that. Fact is, each of you are personally responsible for putting THIS RECORDING OVER YOUR ALLEGIANCE AND LOYALTY TO THIS BAND. Each of you directly disrespected the wishes of one of it's founding members who has never done anything to ever offend any of you.

This place has allowed LIVE'S name to be stepped on and outright fucking pissed on. The attacks on it's members have been outrageous and slanderous and should have never been allowed. Even in this thread, you have so called "fans" calling CT a narcissist? So why the fuck are you here begging for one of his recordings? You have the administration PUBLICLY offering money for a recording that was asked NOT TO BE SHARED, then distributing it to how many people? People who probably haven't even followed the band for ten plus years? And this is someone running a fansite dedicated to the band? I've never ever seen anything so deluded and in my life. The members of this band have done nothing to any of you. They have been gracious in meeting many of you and have never had a bad thing to say about it. So to have a board like this dedicated to them and their namesake that allows such anti-Live sentiment to be spread at will is just disgusting. Especially considering the message this band has conveyed over the years and everything they have done to appease us fans. It's just flat out morally bankrupt and each and every one of you who contribute to it should be downright fucking ashamed of yourselves.

This place is EXACTLY THE OOPOSITE of what LIVE exemplifies. I have asked parties on all sides to just chill out as far as the breakup goes. But one things remains clear and that is in the scope of Live's essence, this place is completely void of respect and honor of it's members. The blatant personal attacks that have been allowed to go on are just flat out deplorable and should have never been allowed to take place.

It is plain as day to see that this place has nothing to do with being a "fan of live" It's a place to come and feel free to attack it's members and carry on like a complete ass for there is nobody running it who feels any differently about them. Pirating a recording for money and ripping it for any tom, dick or harry to have is proof of it. Asking for it in a PUBLIC FORUM shows a blatant disrespect for the band, it's music and everything they have ever stood for and anyone who continues to post here condones it and you are just as well, I won't even bother to tell you what I think you are. Fact is, you are nowhere even close to being worth all that I've typed here. But after the long winded response of a few of you, I decided to retort with something that actually makes sense. So continue to rot here. This place has not a single thing to do with being a "fan of Live."

Knowing what backstabbing and disrespectful "people" you are. I'm sure this will draw a lot of useless, dumbminded drivel from a few users who are nothing but a complete waste of skin. But don't bother, I've had my say and now I will discard you like I discard my trash. Mostly because I regard many of you as just that, utter trash. Good luck with that "fans of Live."

[ThrowgnCpr]

k bye

[throwing_cheetahs]

But with the issues surrounding the band and the music, I'm sure it had something to do with it's method of release. It was simply an attempt to give those lifelong fans a chance to hear these songs, which they otherwise wouldn't. I'd imagine there are legal issues everywhere. And I'd bet this was part of the reason CT asked the fans that got it not to share it.

I understand your point, but here you have a guy running a LIVE fansite, who in a public forum, is offering money for these recordings and handing them out to anyone with any interest.

You don't have to visit or post on this site if the moderator disgusts you so much. Go post elsewhere because you are the minority here, bye bye.

TC