An Experiment: if The Flood and the Mercy was by Live Options

[LiveFan92]

Over the Easter weekend, I saw some old friends that I used to listen to Live with in high school when we were growing up in the York area. They hadn't really liked anything after V, although they still bought each album and listened a few times with hope, etc. They hadn't even really heard the band had broken up.

So I invited them over to my place to listen to "something cool" and I played The Flood and the Mercy for them. I didn't say it was Live or just Ed, but I could tell they hadn't heard any of it before.

The general reaction was: "Wow, Live is really getting back to good form! If they keep this up, the next album could be amazing."

And then I had to tell them it was just Ed, etc, and explain about the new Live with a new lead singer, etc.

But they really got me thinking... if The Flood and the Mercy had been put out by Live after The Distance to Here or maybe V, how would it have been received?

Any thoughts on that?

[Voodoo Lady]

No. "V" is my least favorite Live album, but at least I am able to give it a complete spin. I couldn't even make it through "The Flood (of garbage)." I shut it off on "Seven"--Couldn't believe that song was penned by the same man who once gave me "White Discussion" and "Lakini's Juice."

The only way we will get a well received Live album is when Ed rejoins and they rock our faces off with material comparable to the good ole days. Don't say they will never get back together. If DLR rejoined Van Halen, anything is possible!

[Costakoui]

No. "V" is my least favorite Live album, but at least I am able to give it a complete spin. I couldn't even make it through "The Flood (of garbage)." I shut it off on "Seven"--Couldn't believe that song was penned by the same man who once gave me "White Discussion" and "Lakini's Juice."

The only way we will get a well received Live album is when Ed rejoins and they rock our faces off with material comparable to the good ole days. Don't say they will never get back together. If DLR rejoined Van Halen, anything is possible!

Due to the release of TWAIT i listened to many Live songs form the 1990s and 2000s again as well as Ed’s stuff. I definitely prefer the 1990s Live but if this is not possible i want the Chris Shinn Live – i am sorry but V, SFBM, most of BoP and Ed’s stuff including The Flood and the Mercy are generic forgettable poppy rock. It is also hard for me to believe that Ed did Iris and The River or Seven. It is schizophrenic to say the list. So let Ed do his staff and be happy and the new Live rock us with some new songs.

[Voodoo Lady]

You are one of the Live fans who is all for Shinn. I wish I could be, but can't. I've tried listening to him and liking him, but I just can't. More power to you.
There are many bands who have has success with new singers for a while, but eventually reunite with original frontmen. I am a patient lady....

[Costakoui]

You are one of the Live fans who is all for Shinn. I wish I could be, but can't. I've tried listening to him and liking him, but I just can't. More power to you.
There are many bands who have has success with new singers for a while, but eventually reunite with original frontmen. I am a patient lady....

I want the 1990s Live. Is this possible? No, not only because the original Live borke up but also because Ed's voice changed a lot. So, instead of having the 2000s "Live" (this is not Live but Ed) i prefer the Chris Shinn version by all means.

[zmanpga]

reunion? never hppen

[Costakoui]

reunion? never hppen

But even if it happens i am not optomist enough after waiting for 15 year to have a solid album. If it happens we may have another BoP.

[SJN1279]

reunion? never hppen

Never say never.

[SinfulEyes]

Never say never.

Never.

[Voodoo Lady]

I wish that some of y'all wouldn't be too stubborn admit that Ed + CCP reuniting is a possibility. Selling albums is these guy's livelihood and has been since they were all fresh out of high school. Not to sound snarky, but when CC & P and Ed get tired of not making as much money apart as they do together, they will come to their senses.

No, Ed's voice is not the same. Vocal chords are muscles. --Just as I can't run miles like I used to in college, Ed's voice is not going to sound the same as it did in 1995. Even with good habits (water, no smoking, etc.), a singer's vocal chords get wear and tear and they will not sound as good or the same as they did years before.

All bands, no matter how much they blew up on the scene, have a professional peak. I've been a life-long Crue fan. I unfortunately don't have a time machine, so it's never be 1981-1984 (their peak) again. We all know it will never be the 1990's for LIVE again either. But LIVE can have some form of brilliance again, just as Motley Crue had with the album "Saints of Los Angeles" in 2008 (after which two albums prior to SoLA were "Birds of Prey"-ish to say the least).

As I've stated here many times, If Chris Shinn floats your boat, I am happy for you and you have my respect. I once asked in a separate thread how/why many of you can be so accepting. I've tried what was suggested, including listening to Shinn prior to his LIVE stint. It didn't work.

[SctSamadhi]

I wish that some of y'all wouldn't be too stubborn admit that Ed + CCP reuniting is a possibility. Selling albums is these guy's livelihood and has been since they were all fresh out of high school. Not to sound snarky, but when CC & P and Ed get tired of not making as much money apart as they do together, they will come to their senses.

No, Ed's voice is not the same. Vocal chords are muscles. --Just as I can't run miles like I used to in college, Ed's voice is not going to sound the same as it did in 1995. Even with good habits (water, no smoking, etc.), a singer's vocal chords get wear and tear and they will not sound as good or the same as they did years before.

All bands, no matter how much they blew up on the scene, have a professional peak. I've been a life-long Crue fan. I unfortunately don't have a time machine, so it's never be 1981-1984 (their peak) again. We all know it will never be the 1990's for LIVE again either. But LIVE can have some form of brilliance again, just as Motley Crue had with the album "Saints of Los Angeles" in 2008 (after which two albums prior to SoLA were "Birds of Prey"-ish to say the least).

As I've stated here many times, If Chris Shinn floats your boat, I am happy for you and you have my respect. I once asked in a separate thread how/why many of you can be so accepting. I've tried what was suggested, including listening to Shinn prior to his LIVE stint. It didn't work.

the issue here is that Ed discredited them with contracts and stole money from them, it's not simply just creative differences. It's also what Ed did to the Live extended family through his Ego and mis-behvior.

THey don't need Ed to make money anymore, haven't in a long time. In fact they don't need to put out records and tour either to survive. They'll never reach the peak like 94-97 ever again so it's pointless. The music creative process and to make music the right way (all 4 is what motivates them). They have much move in life to sustain and move them.

Reuniting with Ed is over and done. They've moved on after attempts to discuss mending fences, sans the lawsuits. Someone is still living by the ego. Too many in CCP's innver circle won;t allow that pain again. They've found their current zen with Chris Shinn. Please try to get over the split and move on, it is the best for all parties involved.
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[Costakoui]

I wish that some of y'all wouldn't be too stubborn admit that Ed + CCP reuniting is a possibility. Selling albums is these guy's livelihood and has been since they were all fresh out of high school. Not to sound snarky, but when CC & P and Ed get tired of not making as much money apart as they do together, they will come to their senses.

No, Ed's voice is not the same. Vocal chords are muscles. --Just as I can't run miles like I used to in college, Ed's voice is not going to sound the same as it did in 1995. Even with good habits (water, no smoking, etc.), a singer's vocal chords get wear and tear and they will not sound as good or the same as they did years before.

All bands, no matter how much they blew up on the scene, have a professional peak. I've been a life-long Crue fan. I unfortunately don't have a time machine, so it's never be 1981-1984 (their peak) again. We all know it will never be the 1990's for LIVE again either. But LIVE can have some form of brilliance again, just as Motley Crue had with the album "Saints of Los Angeles" in 2008 (after which two albums prior to SoLA were "Birds of Prey"-ish to say the least).

As I've stated here many times, If Chris Shinn floats your boat, I am happy for you and you have my respect. I once asked in a separate thread how/why many of you can be so accepting. I've tried what was suggested, including listening to Shinn prior to his LIVE stint. It didn't work.

I am sorry but this is not a matter of being accepting. If we are so accepting and then you are rejecting.

The issue here has to do the fact that Ed ruined Live sound, he changed so much that Live died in 2001 with V. Fans have been alienated years ago. He did not show any evidence that he is interested in the original Live sound, while CCP wanted to do what they knew best, LIVE. Chris' voice is different, it is not as good as Ed’s voice in the 1990s but it fits well with the songs. The essence of Live has been reactivated. If you don’t like it, then just don’t listen to it.

[Voodoo Lady]

1. I wish everyone would stop blaming Ed solely for the demise. CC & P were 25% part of the creative process back then too. Ed didn't hold a gun to their heads and make them release V's material.

2. Requesting a lead singer bonus is a creative difference. The person requesting it, in a convoluted way, feels he is contributing more to the band.

3. Personally, change is hard for me, esp. if it's something I love(d) very much. So I am probably way more critical of CS than most LIVE fans. But why should that stop me from listening to CCC & P? Chad, Chad & Pat still are part of my heart and I will continue to support them, even if I feel that their lead singer replacement choice could have been better.

4. I don't know Ed, have never met him, so I have to ask, do we know if he has a huge ego? In my observations over the years I would guess that he is more eccentric rather than egotistical, but that would also be a guess.

5. It is my opinion, LIVE will reunite one day, based on the trends of other rock bands with lead singer issues/ creative differences reuniting (and for other reasons previously stated). Time heals all wounds.

6. Sorry to the original poster of this thread that I derailed your topic. Although, viewing Ed as betraying his bandmates is a choice in your poll and we have ended up talking about that a bit.

[zmanpga]

the issue here is that Ed discredited them with contracts and stole money from them, it's not simply just creative differences. It's also what Ed did to the Live extended family through his Ego and mis-behvior.

THey don't need Ed to make money anymore, haven't in a long time. In fact they don't need to put out records and tour either to survive. They'll never reach the peak like 94-97 ever again so it's pointless. The music creative process and to make music the right way (all 4 is what motivates them). They have much move in life to sustain and move them.

Reuniting with Ed is over and done. They've moved on after attempts to discuss mending fences, sans the lawsuits. Someone is still living by the ego. Too many in CCP's innver circle won;t allow that pain again. They've found their current zen with Chris Shinn. Please try to get over the split and move on, it is the best for all parties involved.
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spot on lad, never never happen

[SJN1279]

the issue here is that Ed discredited them with contracts and stole money from them, it's not simply just creative differences. It's also what Ed did to the Live extended family through his Ego and mis-behvior.

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If Ed stole money from them, how come they were unsuccessful getting any damages in court?

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Sep 25 2014, 12:15 pm