Ed's releasing EP this year, full LP next year, new news Options

[sh4rpz]

Ed would be allowed to release his own version of Hold Me Up as long as he paid the other guys royalties properly, wouldn't he? I'm no legal whiz... and I don't mean to drag up all of the lawsuit stuff, I just mean, if he wanted to, he'd be able to, right? As long as he's paying royalties properly to the cowriters?

I'm not sure if I'd want him to, but it's an interesting question.

and I would LOVE if the EP contains even one song half as awesome as Zion or Eat Your Love.

Although I don't find them awesome, I would buy the EP based on the promise of that kinda material.

[Lebanon Corvalis]

I'm looking forward to the E.P.
I'm sure Ed heard the reviews to ALiVE and read some of the negative things people said about it. I mean i'm sure he had to of, right? I hope so. Maybe he took constructive Criticism and worked really hard in giving his fans what they are asking for.

I'm sure he would love to have a successful album/EP/single before CCCP do?

Anyways on another note I would love to see ED put out an EP/album of covers. I have always loved the covers LIVE have done. Imagine, Supernatural, Love my way, Ring of Fire, Running to stand still.....and now Mind Games. Shit! that would be pretty cool. He could make an EP with the songs I just listed above and it would be sweet.

LC

[briburge]

I'm looking forward to the E.P.
I'm sure Ed heard the reviews to ALiVE and read some of the negative things people said about it. I mean i'm sure he had to of, right? I hope so. Maybe he took constructive Criticism and worked really hard in giving his fans what they are asking for.

I'm sure he would love to have a successful album/EP/single before CCCP do?

Anyways on another note I would love to see ED put out an EP/album of covers. I have always loved the covers LIVE have done. Imagine, Supernatural, Love my way, Ring of Fire, Running to stand still.....and now Mind Games. Shit! that would be pretty cool. He could make an EP with the songs I just listed above and it would be sweet.

LC

Is mind games confirmed. One of my favorite Lennon songs.

[jaybb]

I'm looking forward to the E.P.
I'm sure Ed heard the reviews to ALiVE and read some of the negative things people said about it. I mean i'm sure he had to of, right? I hope so. Maybe he took constructive Criticism and worked really hard in giving his fans what they are asking for.

LC

This argument makes like no sense. There were lots of negative comments about V, then BoP came out and more negative comments. Then Songs from Black Mountain came out and was basically laughed off critically, by both professionals and die-hard live fans. It had its moments, but it was just next in line a string of albums that show a reduced quality and sense of originality. Then Alive, which was basically disliked (save a few songs) by most people who didn't spend the majority of their time loving Jesus. So to assume that four albums later there would suddenly be some new concern for what people had to say is just silly.

Even the clip he uploaded a few weeks back, showing him listening to a new song of his, was just ridiculous. The song sounded like the most bland Christian "rock" ever.

I bet this album he tours in churches.

[SJN1279]

Is mind games confirmed. One of my favorite Lennon songs.

It is confirmed.

[Lebanon Corvalis]

This argument makes like no sense. There were lots of negative comments about V, then BoP came out and more negative comments. Then Songs from Black Mountain came out and was basically laughed off critically, by both professionals and die-hard live fans. It had its moments, but it was just next in line a string of albums that show a reduced quality and sense of originality. Then Alive, which was basically disliked (save a few songs) by most people who didn't spend the majority of their time loving Jesus. So to assume that four albums later there would suddenly be some new concern for what people had to say is just silly.

Even the clip he uploaded a few weeks back, showing him listening to a new song of his, was just ridiculous. The song sounded like the most bland Christian "rock" ever.

I bet this album he tours in churches.

You Know I don't know what happened with Ed & CCP all I know is they broke up, hired a new singer and Ed went solo. But as pissed off as they seemed toward the end I seriously doubt That the CCP are pussies. What I mean by this is after Ed wrote BOP the band didn't get together and say "Hey we didn't sell shit and got squashed by critics and fans! Ed's writing sucks? we need to do something and fix this now" I didn't hear that.

Then your telling me they stood there holding their dicks and let Ed continue writing the next couple of albums. I don't buy that shit. I think CCP fully supported the albums. I think they liked them and thought they were putting a good product. Your telling me Ed had mind control over CCP? I don't think so. I'm not trying defend Ed and his supposed actions. I just don't think CCP would just stand there and say nothing especially after the reasons they gave for reforming the band with Chris. They would not intentionally destroy their band or let one person destroy what they built.

I was never in a band but my brother was. I sat and wrote music with him sometimes and gave input to some of thyrics. I saw 1st hand the dynamics of what went on in his band. They used to bicker about the The lyrics, How slow or fast the tempo should be and they were all vocal about the songs they didn't give a shit about. My brother was the songwriter of course he got pissed but the band figured out because that is how bands usually work (Foo Fighters and Bush are a couple exceptions to the rule)

So Ed and his super powers that Jesus gave him were used against CCP to keep their true feelings and opinions shoved up their collective asses? I also don't buy the friend excuse either, "hes are best friend and we are going to let this band go to shit cause we believe in him!"

I don't think artist/bands given the opportunity intenionally puts out garbage. The records labels do that shit. Chad reads these post sometimes if asked I'm guessing he would tell you the same.
The Gracious few is a good example. I was stoked as many of you were when that album came out. I was thinking"ok no more love my kid songs now we are going to get back to some rocking shit!"

So we went back to rocking shit and what happened? Nada. We got a few good songs the guys appeared to be having a good time playing new music. Your telling me thats what its all about? These fuckers put out a record for the love of music, to recapture some of the vintage LIVE magic and to make money and to have a succesful album!

I'm sure that CCP heard/read the complaints about the last 4 albums and went in the studio and poured their heart sole into this record hoping it would be successful and what the fans wanted and cried about for years (I'm 1 of them). It was a descent attempt but was it the return of LIVE's magic we were hoping it was going to be? No. But why wasn't it? Ed is no longer writing the lyrics no more ooooohs and Lalala's, KSCCP were collaberating on the music as a unit No "Like a junky needs a vein love songs" pure fucking Chad T. foot stompng kick as rock. The rock we have been demanding for years! I'm sure they thought they had done it! "They heard and read the negativity & changed it up and swore that they would not allow another SFBM. This should have been the best record since "the distance." Maybe it was but not in terms of sales and success? I don't want to hear the label excuse. There has been bands on dirt shit labels with no push that went on to sucess and great sales. Bands form for a few reason :Its the Best job in the world, quality model Pussy (or dick if your a chick vice versa if your gay ) success and cash money!

This why I know Eds is putting out the best he can for this EP and is doing what he thinks his fans want. (what he thinks) CCCP are in the same boat! CCCP want to be successful and make cash. I have a feeling after 8 million records sold, touring all over the world CCP are well off, Not Trump but they have ends. Why do you think Chris Shinn joined the band? love of music, pussy,(i don't know if he's married) sucess and some touring LIVE cash, that you get from a band that is successful or has a good following. These guys always try to put out their best stuff. Also not 1 man is responsible for the demise of this band. Well not according to the theory that CCP just stood there and did nothing to fight off the mind control.

Sorry I know I got off the subject a bit but I'm tired of Ed bashing. He was the voice of my favorite band and still is on 4 great records and a few scattered songs on the rest. I have sang their songs in my car, the bath and at many a karaoke bar. (after a few drinks I do a mean Lightning Crashes). Ed and CCP will always have my respect.

Once again I'm not defending either side. Until I read the biography put out by the band then I might consider talking some shit about the "who did or said what".

To CCCP and Ed, put out the best you can. I will buy and support it also I'm looking forward to it!

LC

[jayda]

You Know I don't know what happened with Ed & CCP all I know is they broke up, hired a new singer and Ed went solo. But as pissed off as they seemed toward the end I seriously doubt That the CCP are pussies. What I mean by this is after Ed wrote BOP the band didn't get together and say "Hey we didn't sell shit and got squashed by critics and fans! Ed's writing sucks? we need to do something and fix this now" I didn't hear that.

Then your telling me they stood there holding their dicks and let Ed continue writing the next couple of albums. I don't buy that shit. I think CCP fully supported the albums. I think they liked them and thought they were putting a good product. Your telling me Ed had mind control over CCP? I don't think so. I'm not trying defend Ed and his supposed actions. I just don't think CCP would just stand there and say nothing especially after the reasons they gave for reforming the band with Chris. They would not intentionally destroy their band or let one person destroy what they built.

I was never in a band but my brother was. I sat and wrote music with him sometimes and gave input to some of thyrics. I saw 1st hand the dynamics of what went on in his band. They used to bicker about the The lyrics, How slow or fast the tempo should be and they were all vocal about the songs they didn't give a shit about. My brother was the songwriter of course he got pissed but the band figured out because that is how bands usually work (Foo Fighters and Bush are a couple exceptions to the rule)

So Ed and his super powers that Jesus gave him were used against CCP to keep their true feelings and opinions shoved up their collective asses? I also don't buy the friend excuse either, "hes are best friend and we are going to let this band go to shit cause we believe in him!"

I don't think artist/bands given the opportunity intenionally puts out garbage. The records labels do that shit. Chad reads these post sometimes if asked I'm guessing he would tell you the same.
The Gracious few is a good example. I was stoked as many of you were when that album came out. I was thinking"ok no more love my kid songs now we are going to get back to some rocking shit!"

So we went back to rocking shit and what happened? Nada. We got a few good songs the guys appeared to be having a good time playing new music. Your telling me thats what its all about? These fuckers put out a record for the love of music, to recapture some of the vintage LIVE magic and to make money and to have a succesful album!

I'm sure that CCP heard/read the complaints about the last 4 albums and went in the studio and poured their heart sole into this record hoping it would be successful and what the fans wanted and cried about for years (I'm 1 of them). It was a descent attempt but was it the return of LIVE's magic we were hoping it was going to be? No. But why wasn't it? Ed is no longer writing the lyrics no more ooooohs and Lalala's, KSCCP were collaberating on the music as a unit No "Like a junky needs a vein love songs" pure fucking Chad T. foot stompng kick as rock. The rock we have been demanding for years! I'm sure they thought they had done it! "They heard and read the negativity & changed it up and swore that they would not allow another SFBM. This should have been the best record since "the distance." Maybe it was but not in terms of sales and success? I don't want to hear the label excuse. There has been bands on dirt shit labels with no push that went on to sucess and great sales. Bands form for a few reason :Its the Best job in the world, quality model Pussy (or dick if your a chick vice versa if your gay ) success and cash money!

This why I know Eds is putting out the best he can for this EP and is doing what he thinks his fans want. (what he thinks) CCCP are in the same boat! CCCP want to be successful and make cash. I have a feeling after 8 million records sold, touring all over the world CCP are well off, Not Trump but they have ends. Why do you think Chris Shinn joined the band? love of music, pussy,(i don't know if he's married) sucess and some touring LIVE cash, that you get from a band that is successful or has a good following. These guys always try to put out their best stuff. Also not 1 man is responsible for the demise of this band. Well not according to the theory that CCP just stood there and did nothing to fight off the mind control.

Sorry I know I got off the subject a bit but I'm tired of Ed bashing. He was the voice of my favorite band and still is on 4 great records and a few scattered songs on the rest. I have sang their songs in my car, the bath and at many a karaoke bar. (after a few drinks I do a mean Lightning Crashes). Ed and CCP will always have my respect.

Once again I'm not defending either side. Until I read the biography put out by the band then I might consider talking some shit about the "who did or said what".

To CCCP and Ed, put out the best you can. I will buy and support it also I'm looking forward to it!

LC

You got a point there LC - were CCP so piss weak that they couldn't even stand up to what Ed supposedly demanded. When one of my kids tells me the other one made him do it, I ask 'did she hold a gun to your head'?

[Badman]

Actually I'm not a religious person in the usual sense of the word, so I wasn't at all offended.
And since I don't wanna go all off topic,we'll leave it at that.

I won't go off topic either but I have a response. I have posted it in the live central section. I think Pokey would be interested too.

[briburge]

You got a point there LC - were CCP so piss weak that they couldn't even stand up to what Ed supposedly demanded. When one of my kids tells me the other one made him do it, I ask 'did she hold a gun to your head'?

Ct said multiple times during the last few albums that Ed was on fire . He hates the music but says Ed is on fire with his writing?

[Pokey]

I'm sure Ed was on fire, the fire was crap, but it's clear he was still working hard, and when he's the only one writing then he's bound to be doing more, not always a good thing, but you can't deny it.

It's been stated before that CCP's biggest downfall was not standing up to Ed earlier and putting their foot down. People that support Ed seem to view this as them being weak and trying to ride the money train (SFBM, money, lol). And others see it as 3 guys doing their best to keep a friendship and brothership together supporting Ed and hoping things would turn around. I think the truth probably lies somewhere between the two.
But can people really fault CT for saying positive things in public about SFBM and such at the time? When you're trying to promote an album you can't exactly publicly trash it, regardless of whether they liked it or not, they were in it and involved so they towed the company line ... they would have been called everything under the sun at the time if they went out publicly trashing it then. Seems like with CCP to a lot of people they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Now that its in the past the truth can come out, I don't think there is anything that says the stories "don't match" because of what they said back then compared to what they say now, the circumstances were different and it's clear from CT's words that even then when he was doing the public positive thing, that things were not exactly rosie behind the scenes.

Yes when Ed came to them and went "guys I got this new song, check it out, it's called ... THE RIVER!" they should have gone:



But they didn't. Maybe they were getting lazy and complacent and in a creative lull because of their duties taken away from them, maybe they were wanting to support Ed, why can't it be a mixture of everything? Look how many of us fools kept hanging around and hanging around hoping for a better change, what makes us any different to CCP? When SFBM came out every fiber of our beings, for so many of us was saying "ok, the ship is sinking and beyond saving, lets get off". But for whatever reason we kept sticking it out, it doesn't mean we secretly loved SFBM and was hoping it would do well, it doesn't mean that CCP did either, there are a lot more factors and emotions at play when it comes to something like this rather than a simple:

Ct said multiple times during the last few albums that Ed was on fire . He hates the music but says Ed is on fire with his writing?

[FishOutaWater]

By the last 5 or 10 years of Live, the only way to keep Live going was to acquiesce to Ed, and his financial and creative demands. They were literally demands - an ultimatum. At that point, before the parties eventually took the nuclear option that we saw in July 2009, it seemed reasonable to keep Live going under Ed's terms and see where it went. Like many of us here who even today continue to hold out hope that Ed will somehow, someday turn things around on his solo endeavors, I am sure that CCP had some hope that their talented friend who be a good steward for Live after he wrested creative and financial control from the other members of the band. Were CCP any more foollish than those of us who still keep hope alive for Ed - when they were his lifelong friends, and band members and business partners, and they saw first hand what Ed was capable of and Live was their life-blood? I don't think so. I think that they should have no regrets about the way they let it unfold. To blow Live up in 2003 would have been premature. But I don't think they were happy at any point during that time with the music and the direction of Live. I could tell that from a conversation that I had with CT about the music when SFBM was released. He did not disparage it at all. He was a good soldier and he kept his thoughts to himself, but it was clear to me that he felt marginalized and frustrated.

[World Dreamer]

You are all making this way too complicated.

Live controlled music = First 4 albums.

Ed controlled music = BoP, SFBM, Alive.

You tell me which grouping is better.

I can't believe this. CCP are now actually being BLAMED for the disbanding of Live when Ed was the one who altered everything?

What is next? We going to blame the person who got their face eaten off because some jackass is on bath salts?

[Pokey]

You are all making this way too complicated.

Live controlled music = First 4 albums.

Ed controlled music = BoP, SFBM, Alive.

You tell me which grouping is better.

I can't believe this. CCP are now actually being BLAMED for the disbanding of Live when Ed was the one who altered everything?

What is next? We going to blame the person who got their face eaten off because some jackass is on bath salts?

It's not about which is better, that is black and white. I think it's about the reasoning behind why CCP didn't "rise up" against Ed in the mid 00's, thats more complicated than what people in this thread were suggesting. People implying "first they say they like the music and support it, and then later say they hated it, how does that work?!?!" is not looking deep enough.

[possum]

It's not about which is better, that is black and white. I think it's about the reasoning behind why CCP didn't "rise up" against Ed in the mid 00's, thats more complicated than what people in this thread were suggesting. People implying "first they say they like the music and support it, and then later say they hated it, how does that work?!?!" is not looking deep enough.

I can still remember a meet & greet after a show in Baltimore. It was right around the time that SFBM was released. My buddy said to Gracey. "I'm not too sure about that new stuff". Gracey just rolled his eyes and bit his tongue. They had to tow the company line even if they disagreed with Ed and his direction. It's a business and they want to provide for their families. Why fault them for that? There was still good money to be made at the festivals and corporate events.

[Pokey]

I can still remember a meet & greet after a show in Baltimore. It was right around the time that SFBM was released. My buddy said to Gracey. "I'm not too sure about that new stuff". Gracey just rolled his eyes and bit his tongue. They had to tow the company line even if they disagreed with Ed and his direction. It's a business and they want to provide for their families. Why fault them for that? There was still good money to be made at the festivals and corporate events.

Exactly, it was all or nothing, they either had to go "fuck this, we're out, this is shit" or publicly support the stuff, I'm sure we have all done things in our lives we would rather not have done or wished we didn't do. Personally as I said, I wish they did just go "fuck this, we're out", but they hung around. The debate just seems to be over why they hung around. People like SJN seems to think its because of greed, but he only thinks in terms of money so of course the only reason he can come up with is greed.
I liken it seriously to why many of us kept hanging around at that time. A lot of us went "nope, fuck this" and so many people left this board, but a lot of us really didn't like the material at the time yet we kept hanging in there for all sorts of god knows what reasons. I'm sure the same was for CCP.