Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[SJN1279]

I didn't say it was Ed's fault. I just think that Heaven and Run Away are two shitty songs. We were told that BOP would take us back to the style that we all fell in love with. Well that style wasn't those 2 songs. In fact, it wasn't any of the songs on BOP. However, the 4 I listed were at least somewhat similar to what we wanted.

Who are you speaking for?

[OutToDry]

In any case, how was this passive aggressive towards the band? Even if Ed had full control of singles, and ultimately decided to choose run away, he would be trying to do what was best for the band probably, and not be passive aggressive.

I don't think the band got a fair shake on singles picking. I think Ed had more influence with discussing with the record company , who made the final 'decision'.

[Aitkens]

Who are you speaking for?

I'm speaking for the majority of the fan base. You are in the minority, and a very secluded minority that likes the shitty stuff that was put out in the last 10 years.

[crazy1]

Heaven is a very nice single.

BTW never knew that they had the record company to chose the singles.... That kinda... sucks....

I have to admit.....I like Heaven. Churchy maybe but I like the line ......I don't need no one to tell me about Heaven.....I interpret it to mean that you don't have to be in an organized religion and have some priest preach to you about Heaven to believe in it.

[+Ed+]

I don't think the band got a fair shake on singles picking. I think Ed had more influence with discussing with the record company , who made the final 'decision'.

That makes perfect sense, Bob

I'm speaking for the majority of the fan base. You are in the minority, and a very secluded minority that likes the shitty stuff that was put out in the last 10 years.

Above that, he is a fucking liar. He wants to be like Ed in everything.

[+Ed+]

I have to admit.....I like Heaven. Churchy maybe but I like the line ......I don't need no one to tell me about Heaven.....I interpret it to mean that you don't have to be in an organized religion and have some priest preach to you about Heaven to believe in it.

You do not have to "........admit............." it

I can easily say that I love SFBM. So what?

Heaven also has a beautiful vid to it

[Bremang]

I didn't say it was Ed's fault. I just think that Heaven and Run Away are two shitty songs. We were told that BOP would take us back to the style that we all fell in love with. Well that style wasn't those 2 songs. In fact, it wasn't any of the songs on BOP. However, the 4 I listed were at least somewhat similar to what we wanted.

I guess, the 4 were still sub par to me. Ed says that about every record, that its going to be the best and just like TC, hard drive melodic rock or whatever. What else is he supposed to say? Plus, if Ed said that BOP would take us back, and those 4 songs were of that style, then he didn't lie. Its just the singles, which we can't say for sure how it was decided, that didn't suit your taste, though I cant say this is an example of being passive aggressive towards the band.

[Bremang]

I don't think the band got a fair shake on singles picking. I think Ed had more influence with discussing with the record company , who made the final 'decision'.

Even though this speculation is unknown, it doesn't answer how this would be passive aggressive towards the band..how are you saying that he probably wasn't trying to do what was best for the band in any case there?

[Aitkens]

Even though this speculation is unknown, it doesn't answer how this would be passive aggressive towards the band..how are you saying that he probably wasn't trying to do what was best for the band in any case there?

V, BOP, and SFBM certainly wasn't what was best for the band.

This post has been edited by Aitkens: Jul 7 2010, 11:21 am

[Bremang]

V, BOP, and SFBM certainly wasn't what was best for the band.

How does it make Ed passive aggressive?

[Aitkens]

How does it make Ed passive aggressive?

What the fuck are you asking me for? I just continue to state that Ed's musical direction and actions were the downfall of Live.

[Bremang]

I said it was Ed's MO to become the lone voice from day one and become the over influence...the frontman ego is a phenonmenon which is well documented. I never said 'hurt', those are your words. His series of behavior changes certainly killed the band as we used to see it.

I think the BOP singles thing was clarified by Nick. That caller didn't sound weird at all. He was very blunt and to the point saying, that is something I would buy, I like it.

We're not going to agree on anything so that's that pal. We;ll go around and around on the meanings of what we said and the syntax of it all. Symantics 101.

Tell us something, who do you support in this whole Live history? You never offer a deep opinion on what Live meant to you? You only take a side to an arguement and go from there.

Wrong, you said his MO from the beginning was to "Pull this shit" referring to how you said Ed wanted to figuratively "Fuck his friends" That means hurt them, not just become over influence.

Its not syntax buddy. Its just logic, and trying to keep you rational in the face of your assumptions and exaggerations.

In this whole Live history, I would say that I would support everyone, because they have created alot of my favorite music, and I think this in invaluable to me. I love so much of their vision and rockingness, since I first saw the lightning crashes video and bought TC in 1995. I'm still here hanging on their news, and I'd say I'd be considered amongst any Live fan. 7 shows, meet and greet, trivia out the ass, you name it.

Every album that came after TC I was at first disappointed with. Many times the music would grow on me, and I would really change my mind and love the music, to my surprise even for V. I definitely realize that Live, particularly Ed, has become more disappointing musically as time goes on, with fewer gems in the mix.

However, I realize that talent does not always last. I realize that decisions can be made to make more money. I am of the opinion, which I do not like to use a reason for making arguments, that if Ed or any of the band wanted to make money in any way, sell out, that I would be fine with that, as I am very grateful for all they have done. If this means they only had 10 good years, I am grateful that it is more than most any other band has done for me.
They owe me nothing.

As per Ed vs. the band, even if Ed screwed them, I cannot know how to quantify who deserved what. I wouldn't be surprised, if Ed deserves more money than the rest of the band, and I don't want to assume anything about this summons, especially since nothing has come to a close.


I am tired of reading jaded, exaggerated, assumptions on this board. In some ways its an obstacle from trying to figure out what really happened with the band, and can only hinder ones honest opinion about how they might feel. I don't hide the fact that I dislike Ed's music recently, or that the quality has been worse over the past 10 years (though I will say the 2003 concert of mine beat all the shows from the 90s). I will argue any point for or against Ed or the band, if I see that it is annoying senseless jaded drivel.

I think that alot of these assumptions come from being jaded, most likely from having too much faith in the band in the first place. While I believe Live has always had some sense of marketing, and lies about them, the important thing is that their music was inspiring in some way, to either a rebellious rocking extent, or to a vision of love, and that Ed's ability to inspire so many, is part of the reason why I think he shouldn't be so hated here. Hes done way more good than bad, and his bad things we can only speculate over.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 7 2010, 11:58 am

[Bremang]

What the fuck are you asking me for? I just continue to state that Ed's musical direction and actions were the downfall of Live.

cause that was the argument that you were going against. Do you know what passive aggressive means? If Ed was not intentionally trying to hurt Live, then it wouldn't mean he was passive aggressive.

[Aitkens]

Can you read? I'm not OutToDry. Last I checked my name was Aitkens.

[Pokey]

Can you read? I'm not OutToDry. Last I checked my name was Aitkens.

Hey Bob, how's the new baby going?