TGF rocks and..., I'm the fuck out of here! Options

[BoDoctor]

You guys keep it up and Nick wont let you use his employee discount on Ed's website. No stick drawings for you this Christmas!

[+Ed+]

Afternoon?

Dammit! MIDNIGHT here!

[SinfulEyes]

Guys. Guys.GUYS!

I don't think any of you get the point to this whole show.

It doesn't matter if Ed gets sued. It doesn't matter if Ed gets sued and TGF fails or succeeds in court.

The bottom line is, we were all right about Ed. All the bad things we said about him and his were true. He's proven it to us along with the rest of the band, including one of their mothers who posts here.

Everyone knows the truth about him now and his image is eternally tarnished. The only person who believes or buys any of the bullshit that comes out of Ed's mouth is... well Nick.

This post has been edited by SinfulEyes: Jun 14 2010, 2:14 pm

[OutToDry]

....we need a douchebag intervention

http://www.tbs.com/video/index.jsp?oid=115299

[LivesMeltdown]

The bottom line is, we were all right about Ed. All the bad things we said about him and his were true. He's proven it to us along with the rest of the band, including one of their mothers who posts here.

Would that be Sally?

I think all 4 of the members of Live are liars. I don't think we would get the absolute truth from any of them. But I still love their music and will support their future projects

This post has been edited by LivesMeltdown: Jun 14 2010, 2:19 pm

[SinfulEyes]

Would that be Sally?

I think all 4 of the members of Live are liars. I don't think we would get the absolute truth from any of them. But I still love their music and will support their future projects

I really don't either. I just think we like to point out all of Ed's lies because a.) he was the front man and b.) he's the easiest and most logical person to blame for their recent failures.

[FishOutaWater]

I will answer these paragraphs one at a time:

-Chad Taylor's has blogged about Ed being responsible for Live's content this decade and that the albums were met with a resounding thud by the masses. That was in the intial email blog, and since then there have been numerous swipes about Ed "going soft" etc. Of course, he wouldn't badmouth the project to a random fan while he was out promoting the CD, that would just be idiotic.

-On the Songs from Black Mountain CD jacket, Ed Kowalczyk is credited with all music and lyrics.

-I own and love all of Live's CD's.

-Jimmy did get me passes, and Ed was not nice at all when I met him in 2004. I've met him 3 times since then (2006, 2009, 2010) and he has been a totally different person. He has been appreciative and cordial since that first meeting. I will admit being wrong about voicing my complaints in a public forum back in 2004. I was wrong to do it. I've since apologized to Jimmy, whether he accepted or not is totally up to him.

-What Ed can not do is call his new band LIVE. However he still is Ed Kowalczyk of Live.

-Actually when I took over Ed's Facebook he had roughly 5000 fans, and now he is approaching 10,000. I did overpost at first, but no long-term hurt was done.

Chad didn't bad mouth Ed at the time that SFBM came out and he didn't like the sound and the album went nowhere. He was a supportive bandmate and friend. He didn't bad-mouth Ed while Ed was in the band and was a friend. It was only after the revelations and the break-up and feelings were hurt and deeds that were done had come to light that he voiced his opinion about the music over the last decade.

Nick, I actually disagreed with the way you were treated on SOY many years ago when you aired your honest opinion about your experience with Ed. I thought you should have been allowed to be honest and criticize the way you were treated. Yes, you made a rash assumption that Ed was doing some sort of illegal substances, and you probably should have been a bit more circumspect about that, but I didn't think it was fair for everyone to jump on the band wagon and flame you for basically having something negative to say about a negative experience with the band. At the time I defended you and I didn't agree with the constant "bleaching" of the record at SOY where no one was ever allowed to say anything negative. I guess we don't even agree about that.

I may have gone too far to criticize your posting on Facebook and references to Live and the number of followers. I'm sorry about that. You actually do keep the fans well informed and put a lot of work into promotion. I do, however, wish that those posts were kept in a seperate account and that Ed would have a seperate account to communicate to fans. Other huge stars do all there own posting. Heck, even Ashton Kutcher doesn't have an admin doing his posting for him. It keeps it more personal.

[LivesMeltdown]

I really don't either. I just think we like to point out all of Ed's lies because a.) he was the front man and b.) he's the easiest and most logical person to blame for their recent failures.

And that's why lead singers most of the time have the biggest egos of the group, because the attention is always on them.

[tiger]

Guys. Guys.GUYS!

I don't think any of you get the point to this whole show.

It doesn't matter if Ed gets sued. It doesn't matter if Ed gets sued and TGF fails or succeeds in court.

The bottom line is, we were all right about Ed. All the bad things we said about him and his were true. He's proven it to us along with the rest of the band, including one of their mothers who posts here.

Everyone knows the truth about him now and his image is eternally tarnished. The only person who believes or buys any of the bullshit that comes out of Ed's mouth is... well Nick.

Nick has converted me. I see how despicable of human beings C,C and P are and what a saint Ed is.

[tiger]

Nick has converted me. I see how despicable of human beings C,C and P are and what a saint Ed is.

Let me add Kevin and Sean too. How could they associate with such horrible people. Oh snap, I guess I better add all the TGF fans too. We're all wretched people.

[SinfulEyes]

Let me add Kevin and Sean too. How could they associate with such horrible people. Oh snap, I guess I better add all the TGF fans too. We're all wretched people.

Listen up. Ed is a good man.

[tiger]

Listen up. Ed is a good man.

Yeah, but he used to associate with the despicable C,C and P. So you never know.

[VoodooLady]

And apparently from what Nick said in that deleted thread, Nick over-promoted Ed so much that Ed actually lost Facebook or Twitter subscribers. Maybe Ed's recruitment of Nick did him more harm than good.

ck out http://tweeteffect.com/index.php and type in @EddieKLIVE

the details are fascinating...


But in a nutshell it says

"In the last 92 updates you lost followers 14 times and got new followers 15 times. Overall you lost 327 and gained 305 which means that in total you lost 22 followers."

And just for fun, when i type in @thegraciousfew.. we get this

"In the last 148 updates you lost followers 1 times and got new followers 1 times."

@thechadtaylor

"In the last 197 updates you had no changes in your follower numbers. Loyal readers, you have"

@thechadAgracey

"In the last 143 updates you had no changes in your follower numbers. Loyal readers, you have."

[OutToDry]

twitter do, twitter dee!!!!

and to Nick, I do stand corrected, it appears we do have in fact in public record on stealing by Ed

[SJN1279]

Other huge stars do all there own posting. Heck, even Ashton Kutcher doesn't have an admin doing his posting for him. It keeps it more personal.

Ed does post on Facebook when he has something to communicate and his posts are clearly marked. They brought me in to update on tour info, and stuff like that.

Ed posting at all, is better than him never using technology to be in contact with fans as was the case in previous years.