Ed Campaigning for Barack Obama Options

[Existentialist]

You're right... the war is over. I'm sure that no candidate wants to spend 100 years in Iraq. I'm sure that no candidate preys on the fears of the average american.

On a completely different note, I completely understand where you are coming at from the free market thing. The rich do deserve to keep their money because they worked for it. I also mostly agree with you on the government intervention thing. The government keeps stepping in and messing with the markets. The only good time I can recall is the New Deal and that is because it built infrastructure and provided jobs at the same time.

But anyways, onto the gov intervention thing. Republicans need to stick to their word and stop messing around with the markets. You probably agree with me here. We didn't need either of bush's 2 tax cuts changing the markets and we can see they didn't help. I guess they do it b/c they have the power to apparently which kinda sucks because we get things like this. As soon as I realized both parties love to intervene in the markets I dropped that whole argument b/c I realize they are the same party with a different name.

I agree, but the two parties are certainly not on the same page regarding government intervention. Obama is going to vastly increase the size and oversight of the government. When Obama has the fed take over health care, it's going to be a nightmare. And that's just the beginning.

[Badman]

When Obama has the fed take over health care, it's going to be a nightmare. And that's just the beginning.

Is he really going to have the Fed take over Healthcare? Bwahaha, The Fed can't do anything right and Berneke should be forced to wear a jester's hat at all times.

[Existentialist]

Is he really going to have the Fed take over Healthcare? Bwahaha, The Fed can't do anything right and Berneke should be forced to wear a jester's hat at all times.

They aren't taking it over as in going to a nationalized system, but they will mandate that everyone have insurance and this means that pretty much everyone without insurance will have to go through the then-created National Health Insurance Exchange program which is essentially having the government oversee the process to make sure everyone's insured. Frankly, neither candidate is even close to being right about what health care needs, but at least McCain's is considerably less expensive for the government and doesn't put in place more rules and regulations, also known as bureaucratic bullshit.

[Badman]

How should health care be handled?

[Existentialist]

a single payer system is the best way to go. the biggest problem is administrative cost which has absolutely soared lately and especially during the 90s. I don't have time to check facts but I'm pretty sure that there are something like ten health administrators for every provider, so whenever you see a provider you are essentially seeing the collective effort of 11 people. unacceptable. with a single payer system, all the bullshit forms and hassles get eliminated because it's a completely standardized system, the administrators can mostly be laid off and/or retrained to be providers, access to health care goes through the roof because you now have a ton more providers and costs go to the floor because you're not essentially paying for the services of 11 employees every time you go to the doctor. it's a slam dunk for everyone except insurance companies and guess whose lobbyists are winning that battle.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Oct 3 2008, 12:22 am

[Merica]

Just read back through this thread, it's been a fantastic read.

I'm tied between both candidates now. Essentially, Obama is what I want in an ideal world, but his goals seem impractical. It's like, we need McCain's ideologies to rescue the economy before we can chase Obama's dreams.

But yeah, fascinating reading, and the whole race itself is a brilliant story.

[Wambangalang]

it really doesnt matter who you vote for

proof

[Merica]

it really doesnt matter who you vote for

proof

Haha, awesome. MAYBE IN OHIO, BUT NOT IN AMERICA!

[Hoodstock]

Got tickets to the Michigan Springsteen / Obama rally today. Big Bruce fan - really looking forward to the show.

http://www.emich.edu/univcomm/releases/100208theboss.html




Edit: Great show. Bruce played and acoustic set for about 50 minutes. It included Thunder Road, Devils and Dust, and The Rising. I think Obama was originally scheduled to be there, but since McCain pulled out of Michigan last week he went to a battleground state.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Oct 6 2008, 7:52 pm

[Kymra]

Isn't Obama an avid church goer with strong Muslim ties? I don't think he's an atheist.

Are you effing kidding me?

PLEASE tell me your ignornance is just because you don't live in the U.S...

[Kymra]

Just read back through this thread, it's been a fantastic read.

I'm tied between both candidates now. Essentially, Obama is what I want in an ideal world, but his goals seem impractical. It's like, we need McCain's ideologies to rescue the economy before we can chase Obama's dreams.

But yeah, fascinating reading, and the whole race itself is a brilliant story.

Nothing about McCain will rescue the economy.


Even my mother who has voted Republican all of her life knows that.

[Merica]

Nothing about McCain will rescue the economy.
Even my mother who has voted Republican all of her life knows that.

Since I posted that I've watched the vast majority of the presidential debate, and can honestly say that Obama won in my view. What I can say for certain though is that everyone who has a go at Obama for using buzz words like "peace" and "change" can shut right up, because for fucks sake, McCain ORGASMS over being an American. My fellow Americans, we are Americans, AMERICANS, this is America, we are Americans living in America, my friends, my friends, my American friends - OH MY GOD SHUT UP! Seriously, McCain is an old fart, but he does have some sound policies. But for me, Obama won that whole debate, and is my favourite again over the old senile dude that makes no sense half the time.

Seriously, in that debate McCain mostly pottered around the floor, seemingly fumbling together replies splattered in between MY FRIENDS and AMERICANS, and accusing Obama of every atrocity under the sun. Including, and this is hilarious, accusing Obama of exclaiming his intention to INVADE Pakistan, something which he just did not do at all! McCain can't have been paying attention.

This post has been edited by Merica: Jul 19 2018, 8:56 am

[Existentialist]

I guess it comes down to whether or not you think taxing businesses more will hurt or help our economy. If you think it's good for the economy right now to have corporate taxes raised, then I think you are shortsighted and should vote for Obama.

[Merica]

Another point regarding McCain, he said "I know how to do this, I know how to do that" etc far too much, like we should just trust him because he's old and served in the navy. I dunno, I know I'm bashing him but that was the first proper video I'd seen of him (having only read lots of quotes prior), and he didn't come off well at all. Seriously, seemed pretty senile and not at all like the kind of man who's going to revamp the country for the better. Obama was cool, calm, collected and seemed sure of what his intentions are. McCain rambled far more, often reverting to "we're are Americans, we can do this", he might as well have said like "seriously guys, come on, give me a chance, I know I'm old but I can do this, I can! Pleeeease let me be president."

And I don't care what you say about the advancements in health care, Ex, because if he dies, Palin is president and FUCK ME SIDEWAYS that is a scary prospect. I really think they've hired her just to gain the God Squad and dumb women in the country, and given her cue cards to fumble her way through questioning. She's pathetic, utterly, completely and in all other ways pathetic.

In terms of policies, Obama owns McCain on foreign policy, in my opinion. Yup, shocking because people say that's Obama's weak point, but Obama intends to try and build bridges with our enemies, and look for resolution in a reasonable, diplomatic manner and THEN resort to other means. McCain doesn't seem to even know that kind of option exists. "Speak quietly, tread quietly, carry a big stick" he says, so okay, don't let anyone know what you're thinking or doing and then FUCK UP A COUNTRY RAAAGH RAGGH TAKE THAT YOU NON-AMERICANS WE ARE AMERICANS WE RULE USA USA USA USA!!!!

Obama supports abortion whilst McCain is completely backwards on it, and Palin doesn't even understand the concept of Roe vs Wade. I can't believe Palin, honestly, it MUST be the biggest joke or DOUBLE CROSS ever, like they're either kidding with this and that'd be serious LOLZ, or she's eventually come out as a fucking pro. My thoughts? It's neither, she's just a dumb bitch, and the whole thing is absurd.

Financially, McCain didn't explain how he'd pay for anything, whilst Obama explained how he'd save money by eliminating failing regimes and re evaluate the spending costs, redirecting the money and working from that (this may be a shaky point here, can't remember exactly).

I don't think McCain would actually do anything besides continue the rest of world's notion that Americans are self loving and self important eejits. Obama wants to change that, really change America, change the world's perception of America...he's just got the better, positive ideologies and the cool, assured smarts to get it done. McCain is an old fashioned doddery war monger who's too conservative to give the country the revamp, and image revamp that it needs.

Obama > McCain

EDIT - One thing both candidates actually failed on was answering questions directyl enough and sticking in the time limit. I was also dissapointed with the format of the debate, they answered questions...but only once actually engaged properly and like fought verbally...needed more of that...

And yeah this is a pretty strong and wild post really.....but I don't know.....

This post has been edited by Merica: Jul 19 2018, 8:57 am

[Merica]

...not to mention McCain seems dead set on nuclear energy being the answer. Obama, smartly, is interested in exploring many options. So again, Obama > McCain.