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Posted by: LiveForNow Dec 2 2016, 3:59 pm

Posted in the Freaks4LIVE FB group. I think the hint here is that there's going to be some kind of announcement about the future of Live. They know there's only one really important question on everyone's mind, and if they say they'll answer then there you go.

Anyone planning on going? I would if I lived near York. I'd be PISSED though if Ed is going to be there and they're going to play a surprise, short set and they didn't announce it in advance. I'd fly from across the country for that.

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Posted by: Unsheathed Dec 2 2016, 4:09 pm

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Dec 2 2016, 3:59 pm) *

Posted in the Freaks4LIVE FB group. I think the hint here is that there's going to be some kind of announcement about the future of Live. They know there's only one really important question on everyone's mind, and if they say they'll answer then there you go.

Anyone planning on going? I would if I lived near York. I'd be PISSED though if Ed is going to be there and they're going to play a surprise, short set and they didn't announce it in advance. I'd fly from across the country for that.

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Hmm. Interesting that Ed won't be there...or will he?

Hopefully we'll get some answers, one way or the other.

Posted by: The Thrill Dec 2 2016, 6:09 pm

I am not sure about Ed being there. However, a GOOD possibility that Kevin Martin may be in the house.

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 2 2016, 9:48 pm

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 2 2016, 6:09 pm) *
I am not sure about Ed being there.
Have you any inside info to share with us about the reunion with Ed, 'The Thrill' ?

Posted by: Bremang Dec 2 2016, 11:12 pm

midnight countdown lightning crashes

Posted by: The Thrill Dec 3 2016, 12:20 am

QUOTE(Fool_By_The_River @ Dec 2 2016, 9:48 pm) *

Have you any inside info to share with us about the reunion with Ed, 'The Thrill' ?



Im sorry, I don't. If there is is any news for any of the bands the guys are involved with, they will release that info when their management allows. I don't think KM is coming because of the drinks and free food lol

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 3 2016, 12:24 am

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 3 2016, 1:20 am) *

Im sorry, I don't. If there is is any news for any of the bands the guys are involved with, they will release that info when their management allows. I don't think KM is coming because of the drinks and free food lol


Is Shinn invited?

Posted by: The Thrill Dec 3 2016, 12:32 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Dec 3 2016, 12:24 am) *

Is Shinn invited?



Didn't see him on the guest list.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 3 2016, 9:55 am

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 3 2016, 12:20 am) *

Im sorry, I don't. If there is is any news for any of the bands the guys are involved with, they will release that info when their management allows. I don't think KM is coming because of the drinks and free food lol


I don't think the time is right for The Gracious Few to come back. The focus needs to be on Live until the band reestablishes themselves as back. Ed solo and TGF need to take a back seat for the time being.

Posted by: Hoodstock Dec 3 2016, 10:01 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 3 2016, 9:55 am) *

I don't think the time is right for The Gracious Few to come back. The focus needs to be on Live until the band reestablishes themselves as back. Ed solo and TGF need to take a back seat for the time being.

Man, if they dropped anther TGF album on NYE I'd be happy!

Posted by: The Thrill Dec 3 2016, 10:05 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 3 2016, 9:55 am) *

I don't think the time is right for The Gracious Few to come back. The focus needs to be on Live until the band reestablishes themselves as back. Ed solo and TGF need to take a back seat for the time being.


It's a New Years Eve Party. Don't think too much into it.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 3 2016, 10:11 am

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 3 2016, 10:05 am) *

It's a New Years Eve Party. Don't think too much into it.


I always think too much....lmao smile.gif

A Gracious Few set on NYE would be great for you guys.

Posted by: The Thrill Dec 3 2016, 10:24 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 3 2016, 10:11 am) *

I always think too much....lmao smile.gif

A Gracious Few set on NYE would be great for you guys.


Just 5 guys jamming. Nothing more than that.

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 3 2016, 10:45 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Dec 3 2016, 12:24 am) *
Is Shinn invited
That wouldn't be awkward, considering the reunion with Ed and all. facepalm.gif

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 3 2016, 10:55 am

By Design fits this somehow.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 4 2016, 2:05 pm

No Ed...could be a good time for a "surprise" guest and announcement.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 4 2016, 3:51 pm

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Dec 4 2016, 2:05 pm) *

No Ed...could be a good time for a "surprise" guest and announcement.

Or a surprise performance streamed online.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 4 2016, 5:07 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 4 2016, 3:51 pm) *

Or a surprise performance streamed online.


Exactly.

Posted by: andymbj Dec 4 2016, 9:22 pm

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 3 2016, 10:24 am) *

Just 5 guys jamming. Nothing more than that.


So..Chad, Chad, Patrick, Kevin Martin...Who's the fifth jammer?

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 4 2016, 9:30 pm

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Dec 3 2016, 10:24 am) *
Just 5 guys jamming. Nothing more than that.
QUOTE(andymbj @ Dec 4 2016, 9:22 pm) *
So..Chad, Chad, Patrick, Kevin Martin...Who's the fifth jammer?
I was wondering the same thing.

Posted by: Heather Dec 4 2016, 9:59 pm

QUOTE(Fool_By_The_River @ Dec 4 2016, 9:30 pm) *

I was wondering the same thing.


Sean Hennesey maybe?

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 4 2016, 10:07 pm

To be honest, i want it to be about the Reunion which the band has confirmed in every way possible, except officially announcing: Live is back with Ed. I'm not really fired up about the whole Kevin martin, Sean Henessey thing, although i like their music. I just want to know about LIVE w/ Ed moving forward.

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 5 2016, 12:15 am

For the "Live Community", a surprise NYE event would be great.

For anyone outside the "Live Community" a NYE "surprise" will be drowned out by the 700 NYE events of the other bands that are relevant. A LIVE announcement wouldn't register one bit.

If Live were good a making decisions, which they aren't, they would wait and do some kind of huge announcement later.

Then again, up to this point, LIVE has more or less taken the hardcore fans for granted and have done everything possible to ignore/disappoint them time and time again.

Whatever they decide you can pretty much bet it will be the worst possible option.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 5 2016, 1:39 pm

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Dec 5 2016, 12:15 am) *

For the "Live Community", a surprise NYE event would be great.

For anyone outside the "Live Community" a NYE "surprise" will be drowned out by the 700 NYE events of the other bands that are relevant. A LIVE announcement wouldn't register one bit.

If Live were good a making decisions, which they aren't, they would wait and do some kind of huge announcement later.

Then again, up to this point, LIVE has more or less taken the hardcore fans for granted and have done everything possible to ignore/disappoint them time and time again.

Whatever they decide you can pretty much bet it will be the worst possible option.


I agree with your logic in part; honestly I don't think its going to register much outside the hardcore fans no matter how they announce it. The non-Live community was not exactly heartbroken that Ed left in the first place; it was barely a blip.

At this point, they should be thinking of bringing back the hardcore fans first, then worrying about the rest. In a world where 14-16 year old girls probably account for 80% of music sales, a bunch of 40 somethings re-starting a band in a genre that music buyers aren't even interested anymore is not going to be some great revelation.

Reunite your fan base first, then look to expand. That's what I would do.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 5 2016, 2:14 pm

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Dec 5 2016, 1:39 pm) *



Reunite your fan base first, then look to expand. That's what I would do.


I agree 100 percent.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 5 2016, 4:44 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 5 2016, 2:14 pm) *

I agree 100 percent.


Then obviously we should be co-managing this band. Hopefully they read this and they reach out.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 5 2016, 6:40 pm

It's impossible for them to reunite their fan base now. It hasn't been united since the 90s, and even then directly after TC there were people pissed off and upset that SS and TDTH weren't like TC. The worse and worse Ed got only furthered to split the fans more. Then when Ed turned out to be a thieving piece of pond scum and left it split further thenwe got Chris and people realised there was now an alternative which was good. Then Chris left and we're back with Ed...there's just no way it can be reunited. The only thing they can do is just do...what they do. It'll possibly just alienate part of the fan base to the point they leave and all you're left with are the Ed fans..so, they themselves would be united. But united is different from reunited.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 5 2016, 7:18 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 5 2016, 6:40 pm) *

It's impossible for them to reunite their fan base now. It hasn't been united since the 90s, and even then directly after TC there were people pissed off and upset that SS and TDTH weren't like TC. The worse and worse Ed got only furthered to split the fans more. Then when Ed turned out to be a thieving piece of pond scum and left it split further thenwe got Chris and people realised there was now an alternative which was good. Then Chris left and we're back with Ed...there's just no way it can be reunited. The only thing they can do is just do...what they do. It'll possibly just alienate part of the fan base to the point they leave and all you're left with are the Ed fans..so, they themselves would be united. But united is different from reunited.

I couldn't disagree more. I was going to type out a whole response, instead I'll just say "the opposite of this".

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 5 2016, 7:23 pm

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Dec 5 2016, 7:18 pm) *

I couldn't disagree more. I was going to type out a whole response, instead I'll just say "the opposite of this".


You're not going to get all the fans from the 90's back, that is just an impossibility.

However, I have been sensing a lot of excitement from social media regarding the reunion. People are excited to see Live again, and I believe that their return will be very successful. 90's successful? No. But much more successful together, than they ever were apart.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 5 2016, 7:30 pm

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Dec 6 2016, 11:18 am) *

I couldn't disagree more. I was going to type out a whole response, instead I'll just say "the opposite of this".


You really think I'm 2016/17 Ed will rediscover what made him great in the 90s and somehow reproduce quality of that level so undeniable that fans who have continually felt more and more resentment towards him for 15yrs will come back around in such numbers it'll reunite the fanbase? 'It only that, but he'll find a way to make so many of those fans somehow forget all the underhanded and horrible things he did along the way to a point where they can enjoy the music unobstructed? I mean, sure, if you believe in miracles/God, then why not...
You can say that CCP have that belief in him again, but CCP also stand to make some money out of this so that comes back to my original point in all of this reunion - it's purely financially motivated and that isn't in the spirit of Live. It's CCP recognising a chance to make some more cash and the financial partners getting on board because they want some more money too. With all that going on, how can a fan base truly reunite?

But as Nick says, it's all about how "successful" it is. CCP should welcome Nick back with open arms now seeing as they at least have reunited in philosophies - money!!

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 5 2016, 7:41 pm

If you're a CCP fan or a Live fan, you should want the reunion to be successful. I don't see Chris Shinn coming back at all, or The Gracious Few returning long term.

If you want to see CCP perform, Live with Ed is your best bet.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 5 2016, 8:20 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 6 2016, 11:41 am) *

If you're a CCP fan or a Live fan, you should want the reunion to be successful. I don't see Chris Shinn coming back at all, or The Gracious Few returning long term.

If you want to see CCP perform, Live with Ed is your best bet.


Ok? None of that was really anything that I was talking about. But point being, CCP themselves lost a lot of fans with their (if we can use a term this board used to love) heel turn. Of course we won't see Chris with Live or TGF as a priority. None of that is disputed. But what I think needs to happen is see a reunion of CCP and yourself. A photo of yourself hugging it out with CAG. I reckon you should try and go to this NYE party because clearly the band is totally on board with the way you approach music.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 5 2016, 8:53 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 5 2016, 8:20 pm) *

Ok? None of that was really anything that I was talking about. But point being, CCP themselves lost a lot of fans with their (if we can use a term this board used to love) heel turn. Of course we won't see Chris with Live or TGF as a priority. None of that is disputed. But what I think needs to happen is see a reunion of CCP and yourself. A photo of yourself hugging it out with CAG. I reckon you should try and go to this NYE party because clearly the band is totally on board with the way you approach music.


Why would CCP fans be upset with them taking a more lucrative option? Would you want to have to work on the road, and come back with less money than you started with?

CCP want to play music, playing music with Ed is their best option to do what they do best, and make money at the same time.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 5 2016, 9:10 pm

lol how do you still not get that "lucrative" isn't what a lot of people are interested in music for? Former CCP fans would likely be upset at CCP for selling out and taking this "lucrative" option over artistic integrity. All that they spent years crowing about flushed down the toilet in favour of a bigger pay day. I don't care about their finances, that's not my job. And it's very hard to get behind an artist whose biggest priority is money over quality of music.

But I digress. I think you and CCP should definitely bury the hatchet and be mates again since you're all on board the money train together. You should go along to the NYE party! You do want to reunite the fan base so, time for you and them to reunite I think. All bounded together under one common goal: get Ed more money

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 5 2016, 10:41 pm

Pretty clear you'd still bitter. I'm leaving you out when I reunite the fanbase!!!

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Posted by: vivapokey Dec 5 2016, 11:17 pm

I wouldn't even really say bitter. More disappointed.

Posted by: Merica Dec 6 2016, 6:33 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 6 2016, 1:53 am) *

Why would CCP fans be upset with them taking a more lucrative option? Would you want to have to work on the road, and come back with less money than you started with?

CCP want to play music, playing music with Ed is their best option to do what they do best, and make money at the same time.


Well in this case the more lucrative option is also potentially (neigh: very probably) a step down in terms of the quality of music. And since I don't really care how much money they make, it's pretty simple to be disappointed and/or anxious and/or cautious about the road they've chosen to go down.

And that's not mentioning any of the known and/or alleged slights by Ed, or the way CCP dragged their loyal fans down a new exciting OMG IT'S SO GOOD NOW path only to pull a 180. Some of us are still down that new road going wait, wtf?

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 6 2016, 6:53 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 5 2016, 11:17 pm) *

I wouldn't even really say bitter. More disappointed.

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.

Posted by: Merica Dec 6 2016, 6:59 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 6 2016, 11:53 am) *

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.


Perhaps shows feel less important to those of us across the globe!

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 6 2016, 8:03 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 6 2016, 6:53 am) *
as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.
I would rather have music.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 8:15 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 6 2016, 10:53 pm) *

They made it a go with a new singer, and it didn't work. They barely toured, and as a fan of the band, shows are what you want.


To me it did work, better than anything they've done in 15yrs - a fantastic album and, for me at least, the best live show I have seen from them since 1997. But that is measuring it on musical output rather than measuring it on financial gains. Again, that's where you and I always differ.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 8:20 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Dec 6 2016, 10:33 pm) *

Well in this case the more lucrative option is also potentially (neigh: very probably) a step down in terms of the quality of music. And since I don't really care how much money they make, it's pretty simple to be disappointed and/or anxious and/or cautious about the road they've chosen to go down.

And that's not mentioning any of the known and/or alleged slights by Ed, or the way CCP dragged their loyal fans down a new exciting OMG IT'S SO GOOD NOW path only to pull a 180. Some of us are still down that new road going wait, wtf?


I have this image of CCP loading up a big bus full of fans. Advertising the trip of a life time! It's going to be so much better than any other trip they've done over the past decade! This bus trip is everything so many of the fans had wanted! Sure it may be a budget trip and may be going off the beaten path, but we want that. We don't just want to go visit the biggest tourist attractions. So everyone loads into the bus and The Turn is blaring on the speakers and it's all going great and then the slam the breaks. They get off the bus without saying a word and walk away leaving everyone sitting there like "wait, wtf?" You then see another bus drive past with CCP and Ed hanging out the windows with those novelty sacks of money with the $ sign on them laughing while Parasite by Ed blares on that bus' speakers

Posted by: Merica Dec 6 2016, 8:29 am

Ha, yeah. As well as being funny, that's also pretty much how it feels. Kind of like you've been scammed a bit.

Posted by: FishOutaWater Dec 6 2016, 8:36 am

Pokey, I get where you are coming from. But time passes and things change. It's been years since they broke with Ed and years since they were in the studio making The Turn. When they moved forward with Chris and The Turn, they were into it. While it is possible that they decided that they wanted a money grab and just swallowed their pride with Ed, and screwed over the fans "on the bus", I think it is equally plausible that the collaboration with Chris Shinn fizzled for whatever reasons may have existed, they healed wounds with Ed (after all, they have been best friends since kindergarten and lived, works, travelled and created as a band together for more than 2 decades) and they decided to put effort into being Live with Ed again. I am not being a blind sucker about this. I will wait and see what it looks and sounds like before I make any judgments about whether I like what it is. But I am no more willing to assume that it is just a calculated money grab that will result in terrible music than I am willing to assume that this will be the greatest thing for Live fans. Frankly, the worst thing would be if it is somewhere in between, with average music that kinda sounds like Live but isn't quite great, and Ed and CCP fans are left unsure how to feel about the mending of the relationship, and it leaves it ambiguous about whether Live is good, bad or indifferent. That would just be a half measure that doesn't please anyone at all. I rather be fully happy or fully disappointed.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 9:11 am

QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Dec 7 2016, 12:36 am) *

Pokey, I get where you are coming from. But time passes and things change. It's been years since they broke with Ed and years since they were in the studio making The Turn. When they moved forward with Chris and The Turn, they were into it. While it is possible that they decided that they wanted a money grab and just swallowed their pride with Ed, and screwed over the fans "on the bus", I think it is equally plausible that the collaboration with Chris Shinn fizzled for whatever reasons may have existed, they healed wounds with Ed (after all, they have been best friends since kindergarten and lived, works, travelled and created as a band together for more than 2 decades) and they decided to put effort into being Live with Ed again. I am not being a blind sucker about this. I will wait and see what it looks and sounds like before I make any judgments about whether I like what it is. But I am no more willing to assume that it is just a calculated money grab that will result in terrible music than I am willing to assume that this will be the greatest thing for Live fans. Frankly, the worst thing would be if it is somewhere in between, with average music that kinda sounds like Live but isn't quite great, and Ed and CCP fans are left unsure how to feel about the mending of the relationship, and it leaves it ambiguous about whether Live is good, bad or indifferent. That would just be a half measure that doesn't please anyone at all. I rather be fully happy or fully disappointed.


Nah, not buying it.

And even if I bought that it was all in the best of faith, at the end of the day it's about the music and the music will sound like Ed and that's a very bad thing to me.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 6 2016, 10:20 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 8:15 am) *

To me it did work, better than anything they've done in 15yrs - a fantastic album and, for me at least, the best live show I have seen from them since 1997. But that is measuring it on musical output rather than measuring it on financial gains. Again, that's where you and I always differ.


So your favorite Live performance was a 30 minute opening set before Def Lepard?

Posted by: Merica Dec 6 2016, 10:54 am

Quality not quantity and all that.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 11:38 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 7 2016, 2:20 am) *

So your favorite Live performance was a 30 minute opening set before Def Lepard?


No, it was the near 2 hour headlining show at The Forum the night after. I did not go to the Def Lepard show.

e: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/live/2015/forum-theatre-melbourne-australia-23f54487.html

Posted by: TonyD Dec 6 2016, 6:00 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 11:38 am) *

No, it was the near 2 hour headlining show at The Forum the night after. I did not go to the Def Lepard show.

e: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/live/2015/forum-theatre-melbourne-australia-23f54487.html

Did you ever see live in the 90s?

Posted by: MightyHet Dec 6 2016, 7:50 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 9:38 am) *

No, it was the near 2 hour headlining show at The Forum the night after. I did not go to the Def Lepard show.

e: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/live/2015/forum-theatre-melbourne-australia-23f54487.html


This is one of the most laughable posts I've ever seen.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 8:55 pm

QUOTE(TonyD @ Dec 7 2016, 10:00 am) *

Did you ever see live in the 90s?


As I originally said, it was the best show I'd seen from them since 97. That implies something.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 6 2016, 8:58 pm

QUOTE(MightyHet @ Dec 7 2016, 11:50 am) *

This is one of the most laughable posts I've ever seen.


Glad to be of entertainment. I know the usual entertainment you prefer is going to see the male strippers...uh, I mean, Live in the 00's with Ed stripping and voice cracking.

Posted by: Bremang Dec 6 2016, 10:56 pm

Follow up to The Turn

Live - On The Bus

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Dec 6 2016, 11:49 pm

I still think LIVE's new album will be self-titled, just 'LIVE'.

Posted by: SuperHans Dec 7 2016, 5:30 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 11:38 am) *

No, it was the near 2 hour headlining show at The Forum the night after. I did not go to the Def Lepard show.

e: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/live/2015/forum-theatre-melbourne-australia-23f54487.html


This is the truth. Best Live show I have been to since maybe the V tour.... Not a single disapointed face in the house that night.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 7 2016, 5:39 am

QUOTE(SuperHans @ Dec 7 2016, 9:30 pm) *

This is the truth. Best Live show I have been to since maybe the V tour.... Not a single disapointed face in the house that night.


This is the truth Super Hans, the people may want Live with Ed, but you can't trust people. People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis.

Posted by: mattyeagles Dec 7 2016, 8:04 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 7 2016, 5:39 am) *

This is the truth Super Hans, the people may want Live with Ed, but you can't trust people. People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis.


why are you on this board?

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 7 2016, 8:23 am

QUOTE(mattyeagles @ Dec 8 2016, 12:04 am) *

why are you on this board?


I'm on this board because I have been a fan of Live since 1992 and historically they've been one of the most important bands to me. While I became increasingly disappointed with them for a long stretch, I attributed most of that to Ed. When Ed left and Chris came back it was like a breath of fresh air and I loved The Turn with the same passion I loved the first 4 albums with. I also loved TGF. Both those albums proved to me that musically CCP can still provide a sound I love and the additions of Chris and Kevin Martin respectively I absolutely loved.
So now I am incredibly disappointed and cynical about them going back to Ed and I feel like no matter how great their end is, at the other end is Ed who I have really not liked for a long time as he is nothing like the artist I once loved. So, blame CCP I guess for giving me that bit of faith late in the game with TGF and The Turn. But that faith is dwindling again.
So I guess I feel I owe it to myself to check out where that tiny bit of hope that it might be good will lead. If new material comes out and I can't really put it at least on equal footing with The Turn, or if its just down right awful .. then I'll be gone. So I'm in a "wait and see" stage. Until then you can either put up with me being cynical or you can put me on ignore. I really don't care.

I asked Nick the same question for years when it seemed he hated everything to do with Live that didn't involve Ed yet he kept hanging around and shitting on everything. So, if the new material doesn't do it for me I will not continue to hang around like that.

Posted by: TonyD Dec 7 2016, 8:31 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 8:55 pm) *

As I originally said, it was the best show I'd seen from them since 97. That implies something.

Sorry I don't have the time to read all of your posts.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 7 2016, 8:52 am

QUOTE(TonyD @ Dec 8 2016, 12:31 am) *

Sorry I don't have the time to read all of your posts.


Sorry that the 3 sentences that particular post contained was too much for you.

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 7 2016, 9:10 am

QUOTE(SuperHans @ Dec 7 2016, 5:30 am) *

This is the truth. Best Live show I have been to since maybe the V tour.... Not a single disapointed face in the house that night.


I think there were at least 3 people disappointed, because that was the last show before CCP removed Chris from the band.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 7 2016, 9:15 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 8 2016, 1:10 am) *

I think there were at least 3 people disappointed, because that was the last show before CCP removed Chris from the band.


Actually there was one more show after that hehe.gif AND Chris never missed a beat the entire show. They were probably more pissed at the lyric mess up of Lightning Crashes on TV from earlier than anything at the show.

And if anything, at the Melbourne show, it was more CT who was pissed at CAG. CT wanted to play out a proper last song/encore and CAG was too tired so they settled on an extended part of WD.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 7 2016, 9:29 am

Anyways, after all that digression aside, I hope they have a lovely NYE party smile.gif

Posted by: SJN1279 Dec 7 2016, 9:40 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 7 2016, 9:29 am) *

Anyways, after all that digression aside, I hope they have a lovely NYE party smile.gif


Me too. I hope ECCP still enjoy touring too, cause I want to see some shows.

Posted by: LiveForNow Dec 7 2016, 4:33 pm

QUOTE(SuperHans @ Dec 7 2016, 2:30 am) *

This is the truth. Best Live show I have been to since maybe the V tour.... Not a single disapointed face in the house that night.


You have the best username on here! I hope I'm not the only one who gets the reference.

Posted by: dangum Dec 8 2016, 5:15 am

I'm moving the discussion regarding Ed and the cause of the breakup to its own thread.

Please continue that discussion here:
http://www.fansoflive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5782

This thread should be about the NYE party.

Posted by: SuperHans Dec 8 2016, 6:31 am

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Dec 7 2016, 4:33 pm) *

You have the best username on here! I hope I'm not the only one who gets the reference.


Tell you what, that crack is very moreish.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 8 2016, 6:41 am

QUOTE(SuperHans @ Dec 8 2016, 10:31 pm) *

Tell you what, that crack is very moreish.


You can tell me yeah, as a a mate, is the bottom half of me on fire?

Posted by: LiveForNow Dec 9 2016, 4:58 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 8 2016, 3:41 am) *

You can tell me yeah, as a a mate, is the bottom half of me on fire?


Flop was one of the good guys, man. He was old school.

Posted by: dangum Dec 30 2016, 7:04 am

So, is there any more news on what's happening this NYE?

Posted by: grandfalloon Dec 30 2016, 11:20 am

Looking forward to meeting lots of folks and a cleansing of a bad palate. But if you want to know, send small bills, via paypal link to my inbox. lol.gif

Posted by: Bremang Dec 30 2016, 12:07 pm

QUOTE(grandfalloon @ Dec 30 2016, 12:20 pm) *

Looking forward to meeting lots of folks and a cleansing of a bad palate. But if you want to know, send small bills, via paypal link to my inbox. lol.gif


#nibbleit

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 30 2016, 12:14 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Dec 7 2016, 10:40 am) *

Me too. I hope ECCP still enjoy touring too, cause I want to see some shows.


Any idea if Ed will continue to demand his own touring bus?

Posted by: Merica Dec 30 2016, 3:19 pm

If anybody is going to this, your job is to ask about the release of the New City footage. Forget about Eddington Edworthy.

Posted by: dangum Dec 30 2016, 6:51 pm

QUOTE
LIVE
16 mins ago

We have something very special in store for you...tune in on Facebook Live this Saturday @ 11:30pm ET!

https://www.facebook.com/edkowalczyk/posts/10155052752368081

Posted by: Hoodstock Dec 30 2016, 6:55 pm

QUOTE(dangum @ Dec 30 2016, 6:51 pm) *

https://www.facebook.com/edkowalczyk/posts/10155052752368081

Anybody going to be able to record this?

Posted by: dangum Dec 30 2016, 7:04 pm

Not sure what time 11:30pm on the 31/12/2016 is your local time?
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Live+Facebook+Live+event&iso=20161231T2330&p1=179

Posted by: FishOutaWater Dec 30 2016, 7:23 pm

I guess the cat is out of the bag.

Posted by: Bremang Dec 30 2016, 7:43 pm

neat! Someone called it. Will this be the latter part of a set or just a quick couple songs with a lightning crashes countdown?

Posted by: Heather Dec 30 2016, 7:49 pm

Oh. My. God.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Dec 31 2016, 12:00 am

QUOTE(Heather @ Dec 30 2016, 6:49 pm) *

Oh. My. God.

happy.gif

Posted by: Merica Dec 31 2016, 4:10 am

It's a long shot but do you think they'll play New City?

Posted by: fandelive Dec 31 2016, 9:02 am

Won't be able to follow that hitorical live event, so I hope someone is gonna download the video stream and upload it here.

Thanks !!

Posted by: alexou Dec 31 2016, 9:57 am

Yes...really hoping to see it tomorrow. I know it's a love event, but they sure do understand that we can't all celebrate new years eve watching a screen.

Have fun for those there or watching. Looking for reactions tomorrow!

Posted by: LiveForNow Dec 31 2016, 3:18 pm

QUOTE(alexou @ Dec 31 2016, 6:57 am) *

Yes...really hoping to see it tomorrow. I know it's a love event, but they sure do understand that we can't all celebrate new years eve watching a screen.

Have fun for those there or watching. Looking for reactions tomorrow!


I've never been so happy to live on the west coast. 8:30 Live show then out on the town!

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 31 2016, 4:12 pm

The two microphones in that picture tell me that Shinn and Ed will co-front the band going forward.

One can dream.

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 4:17 pm

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Dec 31 2016, 4:12 pm) *

The two microphones in that picture tell me that Shinn and Ed will co-front the band going forward.

One can dream.


lol

Actually the second microphone means they're going to play The Dam At Otter Creek.

https://youtu.be/rkwG0ZPNLcg?t=1m45s

Posted by: Bremang Dec 31 2016, 5:34 pm

QUOTE(Merica @ Dec 31 2016, 5:10 am) *
It's a long shot but do you think they'll play New City?


yes

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Dec 31 2016, 7:08 pm

QUOTE(Merica @ Dec 31 2016, 4:10 am) *

It's a long shot but do you think they'll play New City?

No.

Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 31 2016, 7:42 pm

QUOTE(Merica @ Dec 31 2016, 4:10 am) *

It's a long shot but do you think they'll play New City?


Probably a better chance that they play The Hokey Pokey.

Which they should, because, after all, that's what it's all about.

Posted by: World Dreamer Dec 31 2016, 8:54 pm

Hate to say it but past history tells me that they will play some safe fan favorites and move on.

Good chance the streaming has some hiccups.

I hope I am wrong. Honestly. I hope they play some of the rarest shit ever and play a new song.

But they recently released the Turn then played LC on TV. They can't let go of the "hits".

Not saying stop playing them completely, but play SOMETHING ELSE.


Posted by: mfitz804 Dec 31 2016, 8:59 pm

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Dec 31 2016, 8:54 pm) *

Hate to say it but past history tells me that they will play some safe fan favorites and move on.

Good chance the streaming has some hiccups.

I hope I am wrong. Honestly. I hope they play some of the rarest shit ever and play a new song.

But they recently released the Turn then played LC on TV. They can't let go of the "hits".

Not saying stop playing them completely, but play SOMETHING ELSE.


I agree, but this isn't the time. If they came out and played kick ass "old Ed" versions of I Alone, White Discussion, etc., to me that would be the best thing. Show us you're " back". Worry about the rest later.

Posted by: dangum Dec 31 2016, 9:32 pm

The stream will be commencing at 10PM (EST) - 30 minutes from now with a concert by Zoe Labelle.
https://twitter.com/ZoeLaBelleMusic/status/815373620583297024
https://www.facebook.com/YRKCreative

Posted by: dangum Dec 31 2016, 10:02 pm

Stream is active at this link
https://www.facebook.com/YRKCreative/videos/358235514557087/

Performance starts in 15 minutes.

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 10:17 pm

QUOTE(dangum @ Dec 31 2016, 10:02 pm) *

Stream is active at this link
https://www.facebook.com/YRKCreative/videos/358235514557087/

Performance starts in 15 minutes.


Chad Taylor wrote on Facebook: "10PM EST - Tune-In and then be sure to switch to facebook.com/thebandlive afterward. Local cable (York County) can access on Channel 18 (public access)."

So I think Live will be on a different stream on Live's Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/THEBANDLIVE/

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Dec 31 2016, 11:02 pm

I'm gonna record it, seems like it might be choppy, but i'll have a go at it. Plus, my PC is almost 9 years old. Hope they leave it up on their page when it's done so i don't have to record my screen though.

Posted by: dangum Dec 31 2016, 11:20 pm

Live link. Showing old school footage of the band. Pretty cool.

IPB Image

https://www.facebook.com/THEBANDLIVE/videos/10154898912918909/

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 11:20 pm

EDIT: Don't know how my link changed to an image, originally it was a post to the stream but it looks like dangum beat me to it by seconds...

Posted by: dangum Dec 31 2016, 11:36 pm

Bill Hynes on stage. He said that 18 months ago a close firiend told CCP to get their original singer back.

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 11:43 pm

QUOTE(dangum @ Dec 31 2016, 11:36 pm) *

Bill Hynes on stage. He said that 18 months ago a close firiend told CCP to get their original singer back.


Louis Appell, a businessman from York who mentored all of them, requested they reunite with Ed before he passed away.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 31 2016, 11:47 pm

2mins in and Ed is all "tonigheeeeeEEEE*voice cracks*"

Posted by: dangum Dec 31 2016, 11:49 pm

1. Pain Lies on the Riverside
2. Operation Spirit
3. Beauty of Gray
-- NYE --
4. Lakini's Juice
5. Selling the Drama
6. All Over You
7. I Alone
8. Lightning Crashes
9. The Dolphin's Cry
10. White, Discussion
http://i.imgur.com/IZa6Hau.png

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 11:51 pm

He sang the right lyrics to Operation Spirit.

Posted by: vivapokey Dec 31 2016, 11:51 pm

I'll give Ed his due though he seems like he's trying

e: but man his voice is shakey and cracking. Maybe nerves

Posted by: draynoe Dec 31 2016, 11:54 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 31 2016, 11:51 pm) *

I'll give Ed his due though he seems like he's trying

e: but man his voice is shakey and cracking. Maybe nerves


Sounds like he's been singing a lot lately lol

Posted by: stuker Dec 31 2016, 11:54 pm

Seems like a circa 2009 performance of the Mental Jewelry hits.

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 11:55 pm

Looks like we're getting Mental Jewelry.

They need to turn down Ed's guitar in the mix.

Posted by: draynoe Dec 31 2016, 11:56 pm

Sounds like his guitar is high and they are missing a couple of effects on his voice ... sounds very natural...

Posted by: LiveForNow Dec 31 2016, 11:57 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 31 2016, 8:51 pm) *

I'll give Ed his due though he seems like he's trying

e: but man his voice is shakey and cracking. Maybe nerves


Couldn't disagree more. This is as old-school Ed as we can get in 2016/20177. He's singing with intensity, not hokey smiles. That cracking-esque voice quality was all over the records back in the day, and now it's back!!

Posted by: Holy Slime Dec 31 2016, 11:59 pm

Somethings up with his voice man. His voice is cracking while he's talking. Probably didn't warm up enough for the show.

But otherwise he's definitely giving it his all. Lot's of energy.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 12:01 am

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Jan 1 2017, 3:57 pm) *

Couldn't disagree more. This is as old-school Ed as we can get in 2016/20177. He's singing with intensity, not hokey smiles. That cracking-esque voice quality was all over the records back in the day, and now it's back!!


There's good cracking with intensity (which he's trying to bring, kinda) and bad cracking trying to be too clever, this is a latter.
I mean definitely can't judge his whole "comeback" on this, sounds like he's having an off night. But it's not great. Hopefully it's just an off night because he does seem to be trying.

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:02 am

So much for MJ. Lakini's now.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 12:02 am

Not just MJ ohmy.gif

I dunno he almost sounds like he has a cold lol

Posted by: AManHasNoName Jan 1 2017, 12:06 am

What is that god damn sound in the background? I know it's not Chad hitting bad chords. Is there another guitarist on stage?

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:07 am

QUOTE(AManHasNoName @ Jan 1 2017, 12:06 am) *

What is that god damn sound in the background? I know it's not Chad hitting bad chords. Is there another guitarist on stage?


They seem to be having issues with Ed's distortion mic. Probably feedback between that and his main.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 12:07 am

QUOTE(AManHasNoName @ Jan 1 2017, 4:06 pm) *

What is that god damn sound in the background? I know it's not Chad hitting bad chords. Is there another guitarist on stage?


My stream has stopped working (probably for the best) but someone in the Facebook comments said Zak (Ed's guitarist) was playing guitar? Didn't see it/notice him

Posted by: dangum Jan 1 2017, 12:09 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 1 2017, 1:07 pm) *

My stream has stopped working (probably for the best) but someone in the Facebook comments said Zak (Ed's guitarist) was playing guitar? Didn't see it/notice him

There's somebody behind Pat (behind the speakers). I'm not sure if it's Zak, but it looks like him.

Posted by: AManHasNoName Jan 1 2017, 12:10 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 31 2016, 11:07 pm) *

My stream has stopped working (probably for the best) but someone in the Facebook comments said Zak (Ed's guitarist) was playing guitar? Didn't see it/notice him


It's totally fucking up the sound. The vocals on LJ were pretty bad too, especially when he let loose on that one falsetto. Hearing that made me feel like someone stuck a finger up my ass and flicked my tonsil from there.

He's giving maximum effort, no doubt there. But might be a little bit of the spirit is willing, body is weak kind of thing going on. He's no spring chicken anymore after all.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 12:10 am

Enjoying it more and more as it goes on ... Lakini's was pretty awesome and Selling the Drama is great!

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:15 am

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 1 2017, 12:09 am) *

There's somebody behind Pat (behind the speakers). I'm not sure if it's Zak, but it looks like him.


Hadn't noticed him back their until you mentioned him, but I was wondering why I was hearing chords they weren't playing.

Posted by: AManHasNoName Jan 1 2017, 12:19 am

Ok, now I know for sure it's not CT's guitar I'm hearing. Why the fuck is his guitar down in the mix and not the other guy?

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 12:19 am

QUOTE(Holy Slime @ Jan 1 2017, 12:15 am) *

Hadn't noticed him back their until you mentioned him, but I was wondering why I was hearing chords they weren't playing.


Yeah lol ... They need to turn CT's guitar up and put some effects on Ed and turn him down a bit ^^ .... Better than at start though for sure.

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:20 am

QUOTE(AManHasNoName @ Jan 1 2017, 12:19 am) *

Ok, now I know for sure it's not CT's guitar I'm hearing. Why the fuck is his guitar down in the mix and not the other guy?


Because whoever is mixing this is clueless

Posted by: AManHasNoName Jan 1 2017, 12:23 am

QUOTE(Holy Slime @ Dec 31 2016, 11:20 pm) *

Because whoever is mixing this is clueless


Pretty much.

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:37 am

The definitely got the mix right for White Discussion.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 12:40 am

QUOTE(Holy Slime @ Jan 1 2017, 12:37 am) *

The definitely got the mix right for White Discussion.


Yeah, yeah that was pretty good. o_o

Edit: I'm pretty sure this is the worst DJ of all time. WHAT. IS. THIS?

He's probably the guy that mixed the guitar(s) + vocals tongue.gif

Posted by: TheBeacon Jan 1 2017, 12:45 am

Cmon we need more than 10 songs!! More!!!

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 12:49 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 1 2017, 12:40 am) *

Yeah, yeah that was pretty good. o_o

Edit: I'm pretty sure this is the worst DJ of all time. WHAT. IS. THIS?



I mean, it's as good as you can expect from public access. Chad's guitars were higher than Zack's, both of Ed's mics were actually on.

I was hoping for an encore the way they stormed off without bowing. They seemed really pumped and ready for another one.

Posted by: TheBeacon Jan 1 2017, 12:51 am

Yeah kinda surprised they stopped when they did. Could have def added another 3 or 4 songs but still great to see the back together on stage again!

Posted by: gerrycan70 Jan 1 2017, 1:08 am

For a band that haven't played on stage for more than 7 years I think they did a really good job.

Ed seemed a little nervous at the start, totally to be expected. I felt he might have had a head cold.

Good to see Ruby Lou come out of retirement.

Overall a POSITIVE start for 2017. kicking.gif


Posted by: QuietRiverRage1 Jan 1 2017, 1:09 am

Two takeaways from watching the show...

1. Ed was struggling a little bit at first....then they hit All Over You and it was like a switch was flipped. That was the moment I officially realized that not only is there some gas left in the tank, but Ed looked a little hungrier than I remember. After that (Especially WD) they just hit the next gear. Dare I say...there is hope!

2. CT essentially tossing his guitar at the end was the equivalent of a mic drop. After owning the ever loving crap out of that show, I'm surprised he didn't start kicking shit over Marty McFly style! Loved it! The band was tight.

Posted by: SJN1279 Jan 1 2017, 1:12 am

QUOTE(Holy Slime @ Jan 1 2017, 12:15 am) *

Hadn't noticed him back their until you mentioned him, but I was wondering why I was hearing chords they weren't playing.

The show was amazing in person. The band was intense but having fun. Definitely, one of my top concert experiences period.

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 1:19 am

QUOTE(QuietRiverRage1 @ Jan 1 2017, 1:09 am) *

Two takeaways from watching the show...

1. Ed was struggling a little bit at first....then they hit All Over You and it was like a switch was flipped. That was the moment I officially realized that not only is there some gas left in the tank, but Ed looked a little hungrier than I remember. After that (Especially WD) they just hit the next gear. Dare I say...there is hope!

2. CT essentially tossing his guitar at the end was the equivalent of a mic drop. After owning the ever loving crap out of that show, I'm surprised he didn't start kicking shit over Marty McFly style! Loved it! The band was tight.


Like I said before, I think Ed's voice just wasn't warmed up. As the show went on he was hitting most of the high notes without issue.

I also think there was some nervousness from CT too. In the start he seemed to stick to hos side of the stage with his head down. By the end he was flaying around the stage like a madman.

All together, besides technical issues and nerves, I'd say they did a damn good job.

Posted by: alexou Jan 1 2017, 2:07 am

Just listen to a couple aof snippets, time to sleep.

Decent performance...Ed's trying. It's a good statement. We can't ask for 1995 Ed at all. But sounds promising. He could deliver on new tracks in the studio.

Posted by: +Ed+ Jan 1 2017, 3:53 am

IPB Image

Posted by: The Thrill Jan 1 2017, 3:54 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jan 1 2017, 1:12 am) *

The show was amazing in person. The band was intense but having fun. Definitely, one of my top concert experiences period.

I agree. The show in person was great. It sounded much different than the streaming mix. Unfortunately there is not much you can do to make it sound like it does at the actual venue. There are some limitations to what the FB steam can do.
At the venue they had the mix correct.
Anyone else who attending will tell you the same. Also. Some people were commenting that the crowd wasn't into it. That is the furthest from the truth. The crowd was very loud and into it. However with the streaming for some reason it doesn't pick up the room noise. It's very sterile.
Līve is back. Let's see what 2017 brings!!

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 4:00 am

Just finished watching it. A few thoughts...

1. Most importantly of all: Bill, man. Anybody ever seen you and Joe Rogan in the same room? Srsly.

2. Wasn't a fan of the "get your singer back" / "we got our singer back" stuff, just cos again the language of it all seems to pretend that Chris doesn't exist and that whole thing didn't happen.

3. The band sounded kind of tame at times, but I'm happy to put this down to watching it via a FB thing instead of being there in the room. Same with crowd noise tbh. I'm sure in other videos we'll get a better sense of how they're sounding.

4. Ed's certainly trying. Not sure I'm on board, though. At times it's totally fine, but at others I'm reminded of why I'm not really jumping for joy about his return.

5. But hey, he didn't undermine Operation Spirit. Good times.

6. I wish they threw something fun into the setlist. Waitress, Graze, Meltdown. I dunno, just a little something left field. As it is they dropped a really safe setlist. MJ stuff is to be expected given the MJ anniversary, but the rest is kinda standard heritage act stuff. Like come on, guys. That audience is clearly more familiar with your work than the average bunch. Take advantage!

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 1 2017, 4:33 am



I listened to the whole concert carefully and loud. I am sorry but I do not hear what most people hear here. The performance was very good and much better than the Paradiso concert. The Beauty of Gray, Lakini’s Juice, All Over You and White Discussion were excellent. To those who said about Ed’s voice and instruments, the sound etc: Go check your ears and stop presenting yourselves as experts in music. Live is back, like it or not! Chris was Live's singer for The Turn and he did a very good job but he poorly performed Live songs (with very few exceptions), like it or not!


Posted by: Costakoui Jan 1 2017, 4:54 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 1 2017, 4:00 am) *



4. Ed's certainly trying. Not sure I'm on board, though. At times it's totally fine, but at others I'm reminded of why I'm not really jumping for joy about his return.





You really liked Chris’ performance of Live songs and you imply now that those performances are better than Ed's performance in this concert. Come on guys! All of you who were really into the White Discussion forum, it is ok to acknowledge that Chris was good only for The Turn.

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 5:02 am

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 1 2017, 9:33 am) *
Chris [...] poorly performed Live songs (with very few exceptions), like it or not!


QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 1 2017, 9:54 am) *
it is ok to acknowledge that Chris was good only for The Turn.


Comical stuff.

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 5:05 am

Ohhhh also, I forgot to add. Ed's performance of The Dolphin's Cry was terrible because his eyes were closed throughout the opening portion of the song. As we've learned, closed eyes = terrible singing amirite?

I'm never letting that go.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 1 2017, 5:32 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 1 2017, 5:02 am) *

Comical stuff.



What is comical is to say that Chris performs Live songs better than Ed. This is laughable to say the least. Chris performed The Beauty of Gray very well, perhaps Iris was ok. The rest were just listenable. He contributed to the making of The Turn, which is a very good album but it has some weak songs.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 1 2017, 5:34 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 1 2017, 5:05 am) *

Ohhhh also, I forgot to add. Ed's performance of The Dolphin's Cry was terrible because his eyes were closed throughout the opening portion of the song. As we've learned, closed eyes = terrible singing amirite?

I'm never letting that go.



TDC was performed very well. I do not know what you were hearing. White Discussion was superb. Live is back. Or this is the Live that is back. If you don't like it why are you here?

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 5:40 am

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 1 2017, 10:32 am) *

What is comical is to say that Chris performs Live songs better than Ed. This is laughable to say the least.


I never said that. You inferred it from what I said.

But since you're asking, yeah. For me, as a general rule: Old Ed > Chris > New Ed.

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 1 2017, 10:34 am) *

TDC was performed very well. I do not know what you were hearing. White Discussion was superb. Live is back. Or this is the Live that is back. If you don't like it why are you here?


You've missed the joke.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 1 2017, 5:50 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 1 2017, 5:40 am) *

I never said that. You inferred it from what I said.

But since you're asking, yeah. For me, as a general rule: Old Ed > Chris > New Ed.
You've missed the joke.



Obviously i missed the joke. Understanding of jokes is culturally contingent!

Your equation is wrong. There is no new or old Ed. It is Live 1990s, Live 2000s and Live now as compared with Live Chris.

So the comparison should be “Live 1990s > Live Chris > Live 2000s”. “Live now” should not yet be part of this comparison. Live 2000s was the main reason why Live split. A reasonable assumption to make is that “Live now” is not going to sound like the Live from 2000s. I do not expect it to sound like the 1990s but in the studio it could get close.

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 5:54 am

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 1 2017, 10:50 am) *

Your equation is wrong. There is no new or old Ed. It is Live 1990s, Live 2000s and Live now as compared with Live Chris.


I think both equations are valid. And really, they're similar as far as Ed is concerned. Live 1990's was Old Ed. Live 2000's (and everything he's done since) is New Ed. Simples.

Posted by: dangum Jan 1 2017, 5:55 am

So it turns out Zak Loy did perform with the band. I wonder whether he will be a permanent touring member or whether it was a once off (like Alex Lefever and Sean Hennessy were for Chris Shinn's debut show)

Also, has Zak been involved with any of the studio material that Live's been working on recently?

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 6:00 am

Good to know that somehow magically Ed's voice only sounded bad on stream, it only cracked constantly on stream and in person it was completely different and all is good and fine lol convenient when that happens

Posted by: Gertjan Jan 1 2017, 6:56 am

Dare I say it?

No plexiglass!!!!!

I agree the audio mix not very good but overall a pretty solid show, I think. I was expecting a much smaller setup but this was the real deal. One can only hope that writing new music will really take them off!

Posted by: Deku Jan 1 2017, 6:59 am

Haven't read through any of the comments / reaction to this yet but for my part I thought that was pretty fuckin' good. Ed made me cringe a few times but guess that's to be expected, thought he did really well. Sticking to earlier material was the right move. Still got a way to go before I'm totally convinced by this band again but they've put a marker down there, good on them. New music has to be great though.

Bit off-topic but what is it with people and their phones at gigs. Dude centre-right in the second row white t-shirt watched the whole show through his fucking camera. Each to their own, I guess, but why you'd want to make a tinny recording of a moment you never really lived is beyond me.

Anyway, thought this was a cool thing for the band to do and it was actually produced really well. Lets see what comes next.


Posted by: gerrycan70 Jan 1 2017, 7:06 am

That reminds me, I must compare Old Bono 1980's to New Bono 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Roger Federer 2000's to New Roger Federer 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Tiger Woods 2000's to New Tiger Woods 2010's

Stop trying to make comparisons to Old Ed 1990's and New Ed 2010's facepalm.gif

The small minority, will keep throwing stones into the pond, hoping for a bigger ripple. Aren't people allowed to change during their professional careers, due to getting older, wear and tear?

Bono can't climb speaker scafolding like he once did in the 80's. Roger Federer hasn't won a major since 2012. Tiger Woods hasn't won a major since 2008.

Yet you (in the minority) expect Ed Kowalczyk to be compared to same Ed he was 20 years ago, to now! What a load of rubbish and totally unfair!!

Stop comparing Apples with Oranges and being the negative keyboard warriors you are.

Ed put in 100% to that show last evening.

You only have to look at the comments on their facebook page in the live stream to see how many people appreciated him for returning and for giving positive feedback.

Posted by: stuker Jan 1 2017, 7:56 am

http://www.alternativenation.net/10-huge-rock-releases-to-look-forward-to-in-2017/

Nice to see that the press hasn't forgotten about Chris, and can acknowledge the Turn for what it was, a return to form (musically). See, it's not just us crazy Chris fans that have these expectations. After that uninspired set list (and Ed's guitarist, seriously?#leadsingernegotiations), I personally don't think they are off to a good start, but I'll hold out hope that more inspiration will follow.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 8:04 am

QUOTE(gerrycan70 @ Jan 1 2017, 11:06 pm) *

That reminds me, I must compare Old Bono 1980's to New Bono 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Roger Federer 2000's to New Roger Federer 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Tiger Woods 2000's to New Tiger Woods 2010's

Stop trying to make comparisons to Old Ed 1990's and New Ed 2010's facepalm.gif

The small minority, will keep throwing stones into the pond, hoping for a bigger ripple. Aren't people allowed to change during their professional careers, due to getting older, wear and tear?

Bono can't climb speaker scafolding like he once did in the 80's. Roger Federer hasn't won a major since 2012. Tiger Woods hasn't won a major since 2008.

Yet you (in the minority) expect Ed Kowalczyk to be compared to same Ed he was 20 years ago, to now! What a load of rubbish and totally unfair!!

Stop comparing Apples with Oranges and being the negative keyboard warriors you are.

Ed put in 100% to that show last evening.

You only have to look at the comments on their facebook page in the live stream to see how many people appreciated him for returning and for giving positive feedback.


Mate, its not even always about comparing. Ed is just shit. If he was good, I wouldn't care if he was compared to a previous version of himself, the point is, in and of itself, he's not good. Or at least I believe so.
And if people believe so, why should that bother you?
Stop being "negative keyboard warriors" is such a bullshit comment. "Stop having an opinion different to mine" is what you're saying. I could easily say "stop being positive keyboard warriors" and go on about how you'll gobble up any old crap Ed shits out .. it works both ways. So, stop trying to think you're making a "point" here.

The fact you know yourself there is a difference is reason for some people to compare if they want. You're comparing, its just that you're giving Ed a favourable outcome in the comparison. Somehow people who don't give him a favourable outcome have an invalid opinion? Fuck that.

Posted by: +Ed+ Jan 1 2017, 8:10 am

QUOTE(Gertjan @ Jan 1 2017, 2:56 pm) *

Dare I say it?

No plexiglass!!!!!


From the very fucking start I did not get all this plexiglass stuff. As if none in the world ever used it. And like no single person in the world knows what plexiglass is for.

Even Alter Bridge use plexiglass. Millions of bands used and use plexiglass. I could really never understand what was wrong with Live using plexiglass. Really.

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Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 8:15 am

QUOTE(+Ed+ @ Jan 2 2017, 12:10 am) *

From the very fucking start I did not get all this plexiglass stuff. As if none in the world ever used it. And like no single person in the world knows what plexiglass is for.

Even Alter Bridge use plexiglass. Millions of bands used and use plexiglass. I could really never understand what was wrong with Live using plexiglass. Really.

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The point was that Chad Gracey himself complained about the plexiglass. I don't think most fans really care, but CAG hated it.

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 1 2017, 9:04 am

I've uploaded this performance here.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qc9fllholrnhxa9/Live_-_New_Years_Performance%2C_2016-2017_%28Live_in_York%29.mp4

*The video does contain the footage before and after the show, didn't have time to edit.

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 1 2017, 9:05 am

Anywhere a non-Facebook user can access this?

EDIT:Found the link

1. PLOTR started out awful, I was scared.

2. Op Spirit sounded great.

3. Beauty of Gray was decent. There were parts he couldn't hit the higher notes. Then in other parts he hit them.

4. LJ, well, it was better than I expected. He went for it, not sure he got it but he went for it. But Gracey played the crap out of it.

5. Selling the Drama. Ok that sounded pretty good.

6. All Over You sounded pretty good, this was the point where I felt like they might have their act together.

7. I Alone was the one I needed to hear the most. This was the song where I heard where Ed lost some range. Couple bad cracks, etc. But, he went for it, it wasn't the cheesed out version they were putting out right before the reunion. He also did the classic "wide open eyes" look he always used to do back in the day (like in the video).

8. LC was ok...I've never really been a fan of that song so I am really not the one to ask.

9. Dolphin's Cry, he definitely didn't have the range to do it like they used to do it. But again, he went for it. It may have fallen short, but it wasn't the cheesy version we had been getting at the end.

10. White Discussion; this was a close to classic live as they got and as close as I had hoped for.

11. Hold Me Up...of course they didn't play it, all of you people who thought you were getting new songs or rarities were completely delusional as usual!!



Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 1 2017, 9:39 am

QUOTE(throwing_cheetahs @ Jan 1 2017, 8:04 am) *

I've uploaded this performance here.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qc9fllholrnhxa9/Live_-_New_Years_Performance%2C_2016-2017_%28Live_in_York%29.mp4

*The video does contain the footage before and after the show, didn't have time to edit.


Thank you, man! Can't wait to see this!

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 1 2017, 9:49 am

QUOTE(+Ed+ @ Jan 1 2017, 8:10 am) *

From the very fucking start I did not get all this plexiglass stuff. As if none in the world ever used it. And like no single person in the world knows what plexiglass is for.

Even Alter Bridge use plexiglass. Millions of bands used and use plexiglass. I could really never understand what was wrong with Live using plexiglass. Really.

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The plexiglass thing is aound mixing issue. It's completely irrelevant other than Chad not liking it.

Posted by: Possum Kingdom Jan 1 2017, 9:58 am

Props to Live for having a special performance and streaming it online.

I watched the first six songs and felt absolutely nothing...no chills or goose bumps.

First performance since they reunited so they do deserve some slack, but

it sounded like Live from 2007 and for me that's a very bad thing.

Set was beyond predictable again.

Not only did Live countdown to 2017, but that show was my countdown to the end of Live for me.

Good luck to Live and Happy New Year. Sounds like plenty of people enjoyed the show so hopefully there is more to come.




Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 1 2017, 10:10 am

QUOTE(gerrycan70 @ Jan 1 2017, 6:06 am) *

That reminds me, I must compare Old Bono 1980's to New Bono 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Roger Federer 2000's to New Roger Federer 2010's

That reminds me I must compare Old Tiger Woods 2000's to New Tiger Woods 2010's

Stop trying to make comparisons to Old Ed 1990's and New Ed 2010's facepalm.gif

The small minority, will keep throwing stones into the pond, hoping for a bigger ripple. Aren't people allowed to change during their professional careers, due to getting older, wear and tear?

Bono can't climb speaker scafolding like he once did in the 80's. Roger Federer hasn't won a major since 2012. Tiger Woods hasn't won a major since 2008.

Yet you (in the minority) expect Ed Kowalczyk to be compared to same Ed he was 20 years ago, to now! What a load of rubbish and totally unfair!!

Stop comparing Apples with Oranges and being the negative keyboard warriors you are.

Ed put in 100% to that show last evening.

You only have to look at the comments on their facebook page in the live stream to see how many people appreciated him for returning and for giving positive feedback.


^ This!!

I am just getting ready to watch last night's performance. But seeing video of Ed's last few solo gigs, I already know he found his mojo, so I'm not at all worried. No, he's not going to sound like 1997 again and you're so right to call these guys out on their unfair expectations. Most of us know the real and do indeed appreciate Ed for being back where he belongs. Unfortunately, there's a handful of haters who aren't going to like or admit to liking anything he does from now on. It's frustrating, but I've just gone to feeling sorry for them. I mean, Live, Eddie Kowalczyk Live, just chose to ring in the New Year with their fans! This is special!

BTW, I've got tickets to see Tesla March 3rd. Jeff Keith's voice is absolutely shot. He really does sound bad and I knew this before going in. But life is too short-- just buy the damn concert ticket!

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 1 2017, 10:17 am

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Jan 1 2017, 8:05 am) *



11. Hold Me Up...of course they didn't play it, all of you people who thought you were getting new songs or rarities were completely delusional as usual!!


Hey now, we were trying to win a Live pin! Those songs would have been buku points! tongue.gif

Posted by: debdixon Jan 1 2017, 10:20 am

Haven't posted here in a long time but I am optimistic that they can make it work. I enjoyed the livestream while I had to work for the New Year. I've seen Ed numerous time in the past two years and thought his voice even though different has fared better than other singers. This reunion is not going to please everyone but I for one am willing to find out. I was at the last NY date and want to see them again on stage.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 10:33 am

Just thought about this ... but I was watching the Zoe performance before Live and she also sounded pretty bad. I think that FB Live may have really sounded much worse than in person, unless Zoe just sounds bad.

Just a thought about the mixing issues. I can't wait to see/hear the new album and them live!

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 1 2017, 10:38 am

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 1 2017, 10:10 am) *

BTW, I've got tickets to see Tesla March 3rd. Jeff Keith's voice is absolutely shot. He really does sound bad and I knew this before going in. But life is too short-- just buy the damn concert ticket!


This is a good point. There's a lot of guys out there still doing shows whose voices are way more shot than Ed's. He's not THAT bad.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 10:42 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 2 2017, 2:33 am) *

Just thought about this ... but I was watching the Zoe performance before Live and she also sounded pretty bad. I think that FB Live may have really sounded much worse than in person, unless Zoe just sounds bad.

Just a thought about the mixing issues. I can't wait to see/hear the new album and them live!


She's not really anything special, she's sort of generic.

Anyone blaming the stream on it being bad is just making really weak excuses. Of course there is a difference between a stream and actually being there, but there are some things that that will not change. Ed's voice is still going to crack in person and on a stream for example. I thought the stream quality was actually better, a lot better, than when CCP played that acoustic show with Chris and for example, CT's mic was turned up way too high that night and was painful.

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 1 2017, 10:52 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 1 2017, 10:42 am) *

She's not really anything special, she's sort of generic.

Anyone blaming the stream on it being bad is just making really weak excuses. Of course there is a difference between a stream and actually being there, but there are some things that that will not change. Ed's voice is still going to crack in person and on a stream for example. I thought the stream quality was actually better, a lot better, than when CCP played that acoustic show with Chris and for example, CT's mic was turned up way too high that night and was painful.


Agreed, the problems with this performance were most definitely not related to mixing or streaming.

Posted by: Holy Slime Jan 1 2017, 11:06 am

1. Like I said before, Ed's voice clearly wasn't warmed up. It wasn't just cracking while he was singing at first, but also while he was speaking. But as the show went on, his voice cracked less and less.

That said, if you hated Ed's voice from about Lightning Crashes on, then you just hate Ed's voice because that was about when his voice got warmed up.

2. Ed isn't a spring chicken, his voice is going to be different than it was in 1994. The best comparison to listen to is the other Ed out there, Eddie Vedder. Vedder, just like Ed, can't hit all the notes he could in the 90s and his voice tends to crack a little. Their voices are actually in comparitive shape right now so if Ed is terrible, Eddie is too.

That said, Ed needs to tone down the 'improvisation', don't stretch for something if you can't. He doesn't do it as much as he used to 7 years ago, but he still needs to do it less.

3. Let's not forget that Chris Shinn's voice cracked all the time. He tried to sing so hard and raspy, his voice ended up cracking in every performance I've seen of theirs.

4. I find it interesting not much has come up about Chad Taylor's playing, maybe it's because his guitar was down in the mix. But he was clearly having issue staying in the tempo in the early songs. I think he was just really, really nervous.

Having said that, Zack was actually a welcome addition to the group. They've always been their best when they have a second guitarist. The issue is that his guitar was way too damn high in the mix, and that as I said before Chad was sometimes playing out of time with ZCP.

So I'd say no, not an altogether amazing performance but not as awful as some are making it to be. Ed and Chad both have some kinks to workout and they need better sound guys.

Posted by: The Thrill Jan 1 2017, 11:10 am

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 1 2017, 5:55 am) *

So it turns out Zak Loy did perform with the band. I wonder whether he will be a permanent touring member or whether it was a once off (like Alex Lefever and Sean Hennessy were for Chris Shinn's debut show)

Also, has Zak been involved with any of the studio material that Live's been working on recently?


Permanent & yes

Posted by: Merica Jan 1 2017, 1:04 pm

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 1 2017, 3:10 pm) *
No, he's not going to sound like 1997 again and you're so right to call these guys out on their unfair expectations. Most of us know the real and do indeed appreciate Ed for being back where he belongs. Unfortunately, there's a handful of haters who aren't going to like or admit to liking anything he does from now on.


Calling out people on their unfair expectations. Dunno about that tbh. Those of us who expected Ed to be poor, and feel he maybe was... haven't seen any of us seriously expecting him to be like he was in 1997. In fact I've seen us all concede that that's unfeasible. So you're just arguing with yourselves on that one.

Haters who aren't going to like or admit to liking anything he does. That's just guff you're throwing out there cos it suits your stance. It's baseless nonsense.

Posted by: Unsheathed Jan 1 2017, 1:27 pm

I thought the performance was fine. The best part was the fact that nothing post 2000 was played.

Don't really get the terrible DJ at the end though.


Posted by: AManHasNoName Jan 1 2017, 1:44 pm

I wish they'd mothball the idea of having another guitarist for live performances, but they'll do what they want/think they need to do.

Maybe it was just first-performance jitters from them and maybe the new album will reveal better stuff, but less is more on the older material. And some of those older songs just don't need a second guitar on them at all. Lakini's Juice is a prime example. Just leave that riff alone and let CT handle it. If you're going to play on the song at all just play on the chorus to give it a fuller tone and volume, but for the feedback, main riff, and bridge just go take a piss.

/my2cents

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 1 2017, 2:10 pm

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 2 2017, 5:04 am) *

Haters who aren't going to like or admit to liking anything he does. That's just guff you're throwing out there cos it suits your stance. It's baseless nonsense.


You gotta wonder where the logic is behind that. Obviously when roles were reversed and Chris was in the band there were people who would hate everything he does whether they like it or not, they wouldn't admit it because ultimately they wanted Ed back and they always knew there was a chance of Ed coming back (because look where we are!)
But in this situation, I don't think anyone who supported Chris is under any illusions that he will not come back and replace Ed again. So no one is arguing based on that. Ultimately that's why some people always were 100% negative on Chris, because they wanted Ed back.
So, the reverse isn't happening now. So where would people's motivation come from to spitefully hate everything to do with Ed even if they secretly like it? Why not, just like it? Some people must just find it so hard to realise that Ed just keeps genuinely disappointing some people and they genuinely just do not like it.

I wish I liked it. I'd have to eat humble pie and all, but at least I'd have some great new music and "my" old band back, so to speak. But I just can't. So the argument that people are purposefully shitting on Ed even if they secretly like him doesn't hold any water. People who use that logic get it from the fact they used that very logic when Chris was around. It's more introspective than anything else.
The good news at least is that lots of final nails in coffins are being driven in. I imagine the stream was the "ok, im out!" point for some people, for me that'll be if the new music is a bust. And once that happens then all those pesky people who disagree with Ed being god will be gone and the world will be a blissful place where no one disagrees and we all listen to All Over You on repeat forever. Which is exactly what Live wants - it's the cash grab. Whittle down the fan base to bots who gobble up any old drivel without question and profit.

Posted by: Existentialist Jan 1 2017, 2:18 pm

I have several questions and comments inspired by last night's performance.

1. Who is Bill Hynes and how did he become involved with Live? I don't know him at all, but there aren't very flattering stories published about him in presumably reputable publications. His introduction was absolutely awful and reminiscent of Zach Galifianakis' rooftop speech from The Hangover. Who is this weirdo and why is he introducing Live?

2. When did Live get so old? My gosh it was clear from the get go that the on stage energy that once made them great and carried many otherwise lacking performances is long gone.

3. Why does Live insist on playing only greatest hits shows? Is their target audience really the mindless idiots who fill stadiums and want to see the bald guy sing I Alone and Lightning Crashes, or more devoted fans who seek out smaller clubs to see their favorite band play the very songs in their catalog that made them devoted fans?

4. Live needs to decide what its legacy is going to be. Are they going to go out trying their hardest and doing justice to their brilliant catalog, or phone it in and be a sad washed up band doing figure eights?

5. The Live I fell in love with is still long gone. The Live I fell in love with died sometime between June 1998 when I saw them at the Trax in Charlottesville, VA, and when they reemerged with the final version of TDTH. It was nice to see the original line-up together again, but it's just not the same or even close.

Posted by: san_sao Jan 1 2017, 4:37 pm

Honestly, I loved it. They were obviously nervous, but probably they just care about what their fans think and want them to like it. I wouldn't mind a set list shakeup, and I'll continue to hope for that. But this show made me really happy. My New Year's was a blast because of this, which I really needed right now.

Lots of bands I listen to have touring musicians. Now Live does too. So good, once they gel, they'll be great, they can have a bigger sound, and Chad can do more lead stuff and leave Ed guitar-free to be a frontman. It will make them all play even better, and they used to have Adam K anyway, so cool.

I want tour dates and new music. I'm happy my favorite band is back. rockin.gif

Posted by: Live4Life Jan 1 2017, 6:55 pm

Well, I'm mixed here. They sounded ok but def need to practice.
The one thing that drove me nuts however is everyone in the crowd holding their goddamn phones up recording! Jeesh. Whatever happened to just watching and enjoying the show! I used to do it from time to time but then realized I was missing ģreat shows because I was recording.
Anyway, wish people didn't do it so much. I mean, are they ever going to watch those videos?
I doubt it. hi.gif

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 1 2017, 7:18 pm

I loved it! At PLOTR I had chills and tears in my eyes. True, they were rough in a few spots, but once they start touring they are gonna be tight.

Posted by: icewaterike Jan 1 2017, 7:46 pm

Have to say as a longtime listener and supporter of the band, last night was pretty fantastic in my books. Even though I wasn't lucky enough to get an invite to the show, I think it's super cool that some fans got tours of the studio space and were treated to one of the coolest examples of fan outreach you could ask for. For them to webcast it like that (and the production was pretty good, IMO) was even cooler for fans that couldn't be there. Lots of goodwill to the fans - which is something that I loved about this band back in the day, and arguably got lost towards the end. I hope they bring back that connection in full force.

Bottom line: I felt it last night. Wasn't expecting to. It wasn't like the old days, but I don't think it's fair that we expect them to be frozen in time. I really like where this is going.

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 1 2017, 7:59 pm

QUOTE(icewaterike @ Jan 1 2017, 7:46 pm) *

Have to say as a longtime listener and supporter of the band, last night was pretty fantastic in my books. Even though I wasn't lucky enough to get an invite to the show, I think it's super cool that some fans got tours of the studio space and were treated to one of the coolest examples of fan outreach you could ask for. For them to webcast it like that (and the production was pretty good, IMO) was even cooler for fans that couldn't be there. Lots of goodwill to the fans - which is something that I loved about this band back in the day, and arguably got lost towards the end. I hope they bring back that connection in full force.

Bottom line: I felt it last night. Wasn't expecting to. It wasn't like the old days, but I don't think it's fair that we expect them to be frozen in time. I really like where this is going.


Well said.

Posted by: diskojames Jan 1 2017, 8:48 pm

I thought they sounded great and I loved that Zak Loy was part of the band - he did a fantastic job on the solo show / Ed. Actually listened to the 1st 5 albums and assorted rarities this week. Hoping they stick with those sounds (and from last night, it seems like they will). And I'm someone who kind of wrote them off long before most people had. I had to revisit some albums I didn't like when they came out. Shame on me for buying Mental Jewelry in 8th grade :-)

Posted by: WaiterAtCliftons Jan 1 2017, 9:27 pm

As someone who was there last night and who also watched the stream today...I can tell you the stream did not capture the energy or the sound of the show. Yes Ed's voice did crack a few times, but that did not take away from the shear energy that the guys had, especially CT and Ed. Having them literally right in front of my face for LJ and WD was incredibly intense. The throwing of Ruby Lou at the end of the night was the cherry to top off such an energized performance.

And seriously it was their first performance in front of a crowd in years...It wasn't perfect, but rock and roll is never perfect and that is what makes it great. It was raw and emotional and full of energy. That's all I could have asked for out of it.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 1 2017, 10:31 pm

So, I haven't seen anything in the thread related to questions everyone asked the band... Has anyone seen a thread like that or Facebook posts?

I'm curious to see what questions were asked and answered! smile.gif

Posted by: feverpusher Jan 1 2017, 10:43 pm

Without a doubt (and not being at the live performance), I'm going to say that live in-house mixes (in general) tend to sound way better than mixed down board performances. But, it can also depend on where you are standing in the venue, as the PA can play tricks on you. Especially, if streamed. So Im not really too bummed about what I heard online. Was confusing, but OK.

When I hear statements about them potentially being nervous, and they haven't played on stage for 'x' amount of years, I kinda frown on this. First, CCP have played as Live, with Shinn...up to not very long ago. So, they should be well adjusted and confident that they can still play and indeed remember how to play the songs. The only variable is not having played with Ed, for years. With that said, I think they were good, but could have been better. I'll chalk it up to time and effort to which will hopefully present a better picture of where they are going, and their overall efforts. One of the bigger problems they previously had (in the past) was sticking to old and predictable set lists. They also didn't practice.

I think Ed really gave an honest effort, and it was refreshing to see and hear them play again. I enjoy Ed and have enough faith to give him another shot. I'm hopeful that they can all maintain, but also cannot expect them to be the same 90's band, as they once were. Perhaps they can produce a 'newer' form of energy??? Not sure, but I think they have a ways to go. For their next venture, I think they need to dig deep, not rush and find some magic. Rushing music has been their downfall in the past, which would hurt them now. Anyway, I'm just rambling.

I liked the set and agree on how things progressively picked up. I know that people are going to hate this comment, but I think the guys have been showing/playing it safe in their performances. I'm a bit disappointed in CG and CT in particular, and yes I know they are not in their teens and twenties anymore, but damn! I'm just not finding certain songs as spicy and memorable anymore for some reason. They are playing decent, but I'm not hearing a certain flare anymore. facepalm.gif Anyway, thanks for reading everyone! Just needed to vent.

Cheers to you for the New Year!


Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 1 2017, 11:22 pm

QUOTE(feverpusher @ Jan 1 2017, 9:43 pm) *

I liked the set and agree on how things progressively picked up. I know that people are going to hate this comment, but I think the guys have been showing/playing it safe in their performances. I'm a bit disappointed in CG and CT in particular, and yes I know they are not in their teens and twenties anymore, but damn! I'm just not finding certain songs as spicy and memorable anymore for some reason. They are playing decent, but I'm not hearing a certain flare


Don't hate this comment at all. You bring up a good point. You say "hear a flare," but I want to see some flare! The earlier comments here about how this guitar needed to be turned up & that one down... I honestly don't notice that. I pay attention more to their stage presence. When I was watching the stream, I thought CT was getting into it after about the third song (as someone earlier mentioned also) and then he was fine. Ed did great. I -was- hoping they would all interact more. I think I saw Ed put his arm on CT's shoulder once. I dunno, I wanted to see some bromance! I'm all about emotions. tongue.gif Chad Gracey's style has always bugged me because he always drums with his head down & back hunched over a little bit. I'd love to see him sit up straight and crack a smile once in a while or twirl a stick. But I realize that's his style of playing and it's not ever going to change. Pat was the one last night that just seemed to be "there." I know he's always been that sort of way too. Maybe I need to go back and watch it a second time and pay more attention to Pat. Anyway, this would be my only criticisms of last night. Gracey is just Gracey. But as I mentioned earlier, I think their performance will get tighter as they tour, even their stage presence.

I also might add, I like CT's new look. It's sharp. Glad to see he ditched the hat and trench coat thing.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 1 2017, 11:51 pm

QUOTE(Existentialist @ Jan 1 2017, 3:18 pm) *

I have several questions and comments inspired by last night's performance.

1. Who is Bill Hynes and how did he become involved with Live? I don't know him at all, but there aren't very flattering stories published about him in presumably reputable publications. His introduction was absolutely awful and reminiscent of Zach Galifianakis' rooftop speech from The Hangover. Who is this weirdo and why is he introducing Live?

2. When did Live get so old? My gosh it was clear from the get go that the on stage energy that once made them great and carried many otherwise lacking performances is long gone.

3. Why does Live insist on playing only greatest hits shows? Is their target audience really the mindless idiots who fill stadiums and want to see the bald guy sing I Alone and Lightning Crashes, or more devoted fans who seek out smaller clubs to see their favorite band play the very songs in their catalog that made them devoted fans?

4. Live needs to decide what its legacy is going to be. Are they going to go out trying their hardest and doing justice to their brilliant catalog, or phone it in and be a sad washed up band doing figure eights?

5. The Live I fell in love with is still long gone. The Live I fell in love with died sometime between June 1998 when I saw them at the Trax in Charlottesville, VA, and when they reemerged with the final version of TDTH. It was nice to see the original line-up together again, but it's just not the same or even close.


Great post.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 1 2017, 11:55 pm

I think it is hilarious that people are saying they are nervous or rusty.

They aren't "rusty". They aren't nervous. What you saw is what you will get.

Ed has been performing TC for the past 3 years. CCP with Shinn have been as well.

All those songs have been performed over and over and over for the last decade by all parties involved.

I am going to watch it again in the morning and then post my opinions.

Posted by: jayda Jan 2 2017, 12:55 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Jan 2 2017, 3:55 pm) *



I am going to watch it again in the morning and then post my opinions.


To save me reading the whole thread, is there a link somewhere to the show?

Posted by: dangum Jan 2 2017, 1:04 am

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 2 2017, 1:55 pm) *

To save me reading the whole thread, is there a link somewhere to the show?

You can download it from a link provided by throwing_cheetahs
http://www.fansoflive.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5778&view=findpost&p=130026

Posted by: jayda Jan 2 2017, 1:20 am

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 2 2017, 5:04 pm) *

You can download it from a link provided by throwing_cheetahs
http://www.fansoflive.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5778&view=findpost&p=130026


Thanks Dan and throwing_cheetahs.

Posted by: jclive Jan 2 2017, 1:48 am

QUOTE(WaiterAtCliftons @ Jan 1 2017, 9:27 pm) *

As someone who was there last night and who also watched the stream today...I can tell you the stream did not capture the energy or the sound of the show. Yes Ed's voice did crack a few times, but that did not take away from the shear energy that the guys had, especially CT and Ed. Having them literally right in front of my face for LJ and WD was incredibly intense. The throwing of Ruby Lou at the end of the night was the cherry to top off such an energized performance.

And seriously it was their first performance in front of a crowd in years...It wasn't perfect, but rock and roll is never perfect and that is what makes it great. It was raw and emotional and full of energy. That's all I could have asked for out of it.


Watching it right now. 100% agree that this doesn't do the show justice. Go see them when they tour this year and find out for yourselves. Welcome back, LIVE!!!

Posted by: san_sao Jan 2 2017, 2:14 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Jan 1 2017, 11:55 pm) *

They aren't "rusty". They aren't nervous. What you saw is what you will get.


I don't think they're rusty. I totally think they were nervous.

Posted by: dangum Jan 2 2017, 3:03 am

Some audience videos have been uploaded to YouTube by [WAPSoltis]

Lakini's Juice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az6_P6Z0fOY

Selling the Drama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOGFRuafQg

The Dolphin's Cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEScVFZG_Sk

Lightning Crashes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1y7zd6Gpjs

Operation Spirit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_-Ubt0jGI

All Over You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcjicp3Lznw

White, Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEygP1PKto

I Alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR1LpW-ASII

Pain Lies on the Riverside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUDTERRNb0

Posted by: Merica Jan 2 2017, 3:43 am

Not sure I buy them being nervous as any kind of excuse (if one needed to be made, and I'm not necessarily saying it does). I just think they're experienced as fuck at this stage, they've played big live shows before, in front of millions if you count things like SNL etc. And with Ed back and playing their trusty TC material, this should be like riding a bike. Certainly, I've no doubt the crowd would have been receptive and if there were any nerves at all they should have disappeared during the very first song. Certainly as far as CCP are concerned. Maybe I could understand Ed being a little more nervous cos he might feel like he's squeaked back in and won't be as assured of a positive reception.

But yeah, I dunno. I never really interpreted anything I saw as nerves, tbh. I could watch again to check but... meh.

Posted by: Merica Jan 2 2017, 3:53 am

QUOTE(Existentialist @ Jan 1 2017, 7:18 pm) *

I have several questions and comments inspired by last night's performance.

1. Who is Bill Hynes and how did he become involved with Live? I don't know him at all, but there aren't very flattering stories published about him in presumably reputable publications. His introduction was absolutely awful and reminiscent of Zach Galifianakis' rooftop speech from The Hangover. Who is this weirdo and why is he introducing Live?

2. When did Live get so old? My gosh it was clear from the get go that the on stage energy that once made them great and carried many otherwise lacking performances is long gone.

3. Why does Live insist on playing only greatest hits shows? Is their target audience really the mindless idiots who fill stadiums and want to see the bald guy sing I Alone and Lightning Crashes, or more devoted fans who seek out smaller clubs to see their favorite band play the very songs in their catalog that made them devoted fans?

4. Live needs to decide what its legacy is going to be. Are they going to go out trying their hardest and doing justice to their brilliant catalog, or phone it in and be a sad washed up band doing figure eights?

5. The Live I fell in love with is still long gone. The Live I fell in love with died sometime between June 1998 when I saw them at the Trax in Charlottesville, VA, and when they reemerged with the final version of TDTH. It was nice to see the original line-up together again, but it's just not the same or even close.


Welcome back! Great to see you round these parts again.

1. He's their business partner. Dunno when he became involved, tbh. But certainly more prominent over the last few years. He's also The Thrill here on the forum.

3. Yeah, as I said in my own post, this setlist was sort of understandable but also a missed opportunity. That crowd is full of handpicked fans, yeah? Plenty of diehards, hm? So they're savvier with the material than the average crowd, right? Then drop some dope album cuts imo.

4. They only modestly explored The Turn live, which was very disappointing cos it's a kickass album. They also continued to lean on the TC stalwarts throughout that run. I guess if they drop a great album with Ed then maybe that'll shape things up, but I think at this point the smart money says this is it. This kind of setlist, sprinkling in whatever the latest single or two is from whatever they release going forwards. Hope I'm wrong, though.

5. Between June 1998 and the release of TDTH those banging TDTH rockers got lost in the mix. Vine Street, Still Aroused, Don't Wait, Change. Such amazing material - and the best you got was one B-side released. Laughable. But yeah, who knows what changed. Did Ed fully embrace God during that time?

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 2 2017, 3:58 am

One thing I don't get is why people get so annoyed at others using phones at gigs. How does that impact your enjoyment? If it does, that's your problem, not theirs. The only time it matters is if the phone is physically blocking your view. Otherwise, let people experience it how they want. If I ever take my phone out I'll barely even look at the screen. Check to make sure it's in frame but then hold it still and adjust my eyeline so I'm watching the band on stage, not through the phone. Then I have my own little snippet recordings to watch later as a reminder. Fun fact too, even if your recording is sub-par (and even if it's being recorded professionally too) most people will still favour their own work because they feel more attached to it. It's from their personal point of view of the gig. It's why you see so many shit quality recordings on YouTube. I agree, they mean dick all to anyone else, but yeah. Stress less about that shit and worry more about the band stinking it up on stage.

Posted by: Merica Jan 2 2017, 4:05 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 2 2017, 8:58 am) *

One thing I don't get is why people get so annoyed at others using phones at gigs. How does that impact your enjoyment? If it does, that's your problem, not theirs. The only time it matters is if the phone is physically blocking your view. Otherwise, let people experience it how they want. If I ever take my phone out I'll barely even look at the screen. Check to make sure it's in frame but then hold it still and adjust my eyeline so I'm watching the band on stage, not through the phone. Then I have my own little snippet recordings to watch later as a reminder. Fun fact too, even if your recording is sub-par (and even if it's being recorded professionally too) most people will still favour their own work because they feel more attached to it. It's from their personal point of view of the gig. It's why you see so many shit quality recordings on YouTube. I agree, they mean dick all to anyone else, but yeah. Stress less about that shit and worry more about the band stinking it up on stage.


This is all fair, although I must admit I laughed out loud watching the stream when they showed a mid-wide shot of Ed and there's a ridiculous amount of phones pointed at him.

Posted by: Wambangalang Jan 2 2017, 5:04 am

I've never liked watching back performance videos of the concerts I've seen live, they always lack so much of the intensity of the real moment and completely differ from my memory. Perfect example was the Perth '04 show Dan posted recently. I was there that night and the video obviously pales so much in comparison to how I remember it. Anyway you just had to be there is my point

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 2 2017, 6:33 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 1 2017, 8:04 am) *

Mate, its not even always about comparing. Ed is just shit. If he was good, I wouldn't care if he was compared to a previous version of himself, the point is, in and of itself, he's not good. Or at least I believe so.
And if people believe so, why should that bother you?
Stop being "negative keyboard warriors" is such a bullshit comment. "Stop having an opinion different to mine" is what you're saying. I could easily say "stop being positive keyboard warriors" and go on about how you'll gobble up any old crap Ed shits out .. it works both ways. So, stop trying to think you're making a "point" here.

The fact you know yourself there is a difference is reason for some people to compare if they want. You're comparing, its just that you're giving Ed a favourable outcome in the comparison. Somehow people who don't give him a favourable outcome have an invalid opinion? Fuck that.


So you think Ed is no good but you keep posting here. Why? One could say that you doing it in order to criticise Ed and Live for the sake of it.

Posted by: Merica Jan 2 2017, 6:56 am

Well for one thing Ed isn't Live all by himself. If anything The Turn showed that you don't even need Ed to make a quality Live album.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 2 2017, 6:57 am

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 2 2017, 10:33 pm) *

So you think Ed is no good but you keep posting here. Why? One could say that you doing it in order to criticise Ed and Live for the sake of it.


Don't you worry your pretty little head about it, I won't be here for too long I suspect. Said it before I'm giving the new music a chance. If its absolute trash then I'll be gone. I'm extremely skeptical about it, but I've come this far so hey, who knows, maybe there will be a good song or two in there. CCP proved with The Turn and TGF that they are capable of making good music, so there is some hope there that maybe if Ed can be manipulated enough in studio then something cool might come out. Admittedly its a small chance but hey, what can I say, I'm an optimist.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 2 2017, 8:59 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 2 2017, 6:57 am) *

Don't you worry your pretty little head about it, I won't be here for too long I suspect. Said it before I'm giving the new music a chance. If its absolute trash then I'll be gone. I'm extremely skeptical about it, but I've come this far so hey, who knows, maybe there will be a good song or two in there. CCP proved with The Turn and TGF that they are capable of making good music, so there is some hope there that maybe if Ed can be manipulated enough in studio then something cool might come out. Admittedly its a small chance but hey, what can I say, I'm an optimist.



Good plan! I am not on a different side but I am perhaps too optimist. If the new music sounds like the 2000s era then i will be gone too. If it is on par with Like I Do and Lighthouse then i will be happy, though given some outstanding songs off The Turn they can do even better than those two songs.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 2 2017, 9:03 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 2 2017, 6:56 am) *

Well for one thing Ed isn't Live all by himself. If anything The Turn showed that you don't even need Ed to make a quality Live album.



Agree! However, it does not mean that the presence of Ed equals bad music. Also, not all songs off The Turn were good. To me, there were at least 3 songs that were from mediocre to bad. This indicates to me that CCP can write weak songs too, it is not only Ed.

Posted by: alexou Jan 2 2017, 10:27 am

Observations after 2 listens:

1. Introduction by The Thrill... again no mention or thanks to Chris Shinn. It wasn't much to do, just a little mention. I really start to believe that his departure was not a friendly one.

2- this show compensates the cheesy announcement. Cool gesture to use their new year's eve to offer a show like that to the fans. Doing that they control their message. They made an announcement and played a concert without answering any interview. They will want to avoid all these in the future.

3- Ed is feally trying. Less falsetto, more raw singing, well at least trying. Some songs were hard to listen to (operation spirit, dolphins cry), others were good (wd, selling the drama).

4. Musically, the addition of Zack Loy could be good, but not in all situations. There was a big mistake in The beauty of gray and Lakini's Juice doesn't need 2 guitars in the main riff. Listen to the SNL performance to understand why.

5. Glad CT looks healthier, thinner

6. CG was a beast during that set. Fun to hear and watch. PD was only doing the motions compared to how he was during Shinn's era. Considering he made some cruel comments toward Ed at some point, there is maybe something there.

7. I need way more to be convinced. They should have played an obscure song because of course, the long time fans were there or watched that show. Missed opportunity. They are a bit too safe. That is the way they want to play it clearly, sadly.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 2 2017, 10:36 am

QUOTE(alexou @ Jan 2 2017, 9:27 am) *

PD was only doing the motions compared to how he was during Shinn's era. Considering he made some cruel comments toward Ed at some point, there is maybe something there.



Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. huh.gif
I really, really hope it's not due to lingering conflict.

Posted by: dangum Jan 2 2017, 10:42 am

Here is a download of the Zoe LaBelle set. It's a direct rip from the Yrk Creative Facebook site. I have trimmed the beginning and end so that there's only the performance.

Hopefully somebody in York recorded a higher quality version of the show as I understand it was broadcast on local cable tv.

Anyway, until something better comes along here's Zoe's set.
https://www.mediafire.com/?6tsdc1aktwp500z

I would recommend using VLC to play this file. For some reason when playing it with the default Windows 10 Films & TV app, the audio is out of sync.

Posted by: Merica Jan 2 2017, 11:07 am

QUOTE(Costakoui @ Jan 2 2017, 2:03 pm) *

Agree! However, it does not mean that the presence of Ed equals bad music. Also, not all songs off The Turn were good. To me, there were at least 3 songs that were from mediocre to bad. This indicates to me that CCP can write weak songs too, it is not only Ed.


Dunno man, you ever listened to Parasite? If that's the kind of level Ed's bringing to the table then the next album will be fucking horrendous.

We'll have to agree to disagree on The Turn. For me there isn't one bad song on the album.

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 2 2017, 11:24 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 2 2017, 6:56 am) *

Well for one thing Ed isn't Live all by himself. If anything The Turn showed that you don't even need Ed to make a quality Live album.


Fixed it. Putting a Live label on it didn't make it Live, for me.

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 2 2017, 11:28 am

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 2 2017, 3:03 am) *

Some audience videos have been uploaded to YouTube by [WAPSoltis]

Lakini's Juice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az6_P6Z0fOY

Selling the Drama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOGFRuafQg

The Dolphin's Cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEScVFZG_Sk

Lightning Crashes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1y7zd6Gpjs

Operation Spirit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_-Ubt0jGI

All Over You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcjicp3Lznw

White, Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEygP1PKto

I Alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR1LpW-ASII

Pain Lies on the Riverside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUDTERRNb0

These sound way better than the live stream, good find.

Posted by: Costakoui Jan 2 2017, 11:34 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 2 2017, 11:07 am) *

Dunno man, you ever listened to Parasite? If that's the kind of level Ed's bringing to the table then the next album will be fucking horrendous.

We'll have to agree to disagree on The Turn. For me there isn't one bad song on the album.




There is nothing objective here. Somebody in this forum, I think swami, said that music is about emotions and is absolutely right. Overall The Turn is very good but some songs do either little or nothing to me. Based on the emotions i feel during listening to it, By design, TWAIT and Till you came around are mediocre, while Natural Born Killers is one of the worst songs ever created by Live from all eras.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 2 2017, 11:52 am

Sounds like Ed replaced the falsetto with the Christina Aguilera vocal growl.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 2 2017, 12:28 pm

Alright, isn't there a Turn thread somewhere? tongue.gif

Sooooo ... did anyone ask any questions or does anyone know of any questions that were asked and answered from the party? smile.gif

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 2 2017, 1:13 pm

QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Jan 3 2017, 3:24 am) *

Fixed it. Putting a Live label on it didn't make it alive, for me.


I guess the good thing is it doesn't matter whether you consider it a Live album or not, the fact is, it is a Live album.

Posted by: Gertjan Jan 2 2017, 1:52 pm

Interestingly, Live took down the post with the broadcast of NYE. One would think this production was planned to be an important marketing artifact. So I guess they didn't like the quality of the audio or the discussion about it?

Posted by: alexou Jan 2 2017, 2:01 pm

QUOTE(Gertjan @ Jan 2 2017, 1:52 pm) *

Interestingly, Live took down the post with the broadcast of NYE. One would think this production was planned to be an important marketing artifact. So I guess they didn't like the quality of the audio or the discussion about it?


Too much imperfections in the mix, for guitars in particular. Ed's vocals were way too high.

Posted by: feverpusher Jan 2 2017, 2:21 pm

QUOTE(alexou @ Jan 2 2017, 10:27 am) *

Observations after 2 listens:

1. Introduction by The Thrill... again no mention or thanks to Chris Shinn. It wasn't much to do, just a little mention. I really start to believe that his departure was not a friendly one.

Agreed

3- Ed is feally trying. Less falsetto, more raw singing, well at least trying. Some songs were hard to listen to (operation spirit, dolphins cry), others were good (wd, selling the drama).

Agreed

4. Musically, the addition of Zack Loy could be good, but not in all situations. There was a big mistake in The beauty of gray and Lakini's Juice doesn't need 2 guitars in the main riff. Listen to the SNL performance to understand why.

agreed. Side note...ever notice that they are back and forth with playing and not playing backing tracks for Lakini's Juice? Seems odd. I think the best rendetition of playing without it was SNL.

5. Glad CT looks healthier, thinner

Agreed

6. CG was a beast during that set. Fun to hear and watch. PD was only doing the motions compared to how he was during Shinn's era. Considering he made some cruel comments toward Ed at some point, there is maybe something there.

sadly, I disagree on CG. I kinda feel he's been loosing steam and playing it safe with songs lately.

7. I need way more to be convinced. They should have played an obscure song because of course, the long time fans were there or watched that show. Missed opportunity. [/b]They are a bit too safe. That is the way they want to play it clearly, sadly.


[b]Yes, Yes...YES.[b]

Posted by: alexou Jan 2 2017, 2:49 pm

QUOTE(feverpusher @ Jan 2 2017, 2:21 pm) *

[b]Yes, Yes...YES.[b]

About Gracey...I agree he plays it very safe, but the drums sounded good in the mix from what I saw. Of course I'd like to hear him with more inventive stuff.


Posted by: vivapokey Jan 2 2017, 3:31 pm

QUOTE(Gertjan @ Jan 3 2017, 5:52 am) *

Interestingly, Live took down the post with the broadcast of NYE. One would think this production was planned to be an important marketing artifact. So I guess they didn't like the quality of the audio or the discussion about it?


I had a feeling they would do that, even if it was the best thing ever. It just seems like part of their MO that they think they're being clever dangling the carrot in front of people and taking it away.

they should be more upset with the quality of the performance, not the video.

Posted by: Gertjan Jan 2 2017, 3:59 pm

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 2 2017, 9:03 am) *

Some audience videos have been uploaded to YouTube by [WAPSoltis]

Hah, great. Looks like these are from the guy in the 2nd row with the white shirt. I guess now it sorta makes sense to hold your phone in the air during an entire show.

Btw, what was he doing during Beauty of Gray?

Posted by: SJN1279 Jan 2 2017, 4:18 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 2 2017, 3:31 pm) *

I had a feeling they would do that, even if it was the best thing ever. It just seems like part of their MO that they think they're being clever dangling the carrot in front of people and taking it away.

they should be more upset with the quality of the performance, not the video.


I just got back from PA, and I thought the performance was excellent all around. There were some sound issues during the beginning of Lightning Crashes, but I thought the show itself was one of my best concert experiences that I ever had.

The energy in the venue was really strong throughout their set, and people were extremely happy at being there. There hasn't been this much energy around Live in quite some time, and I feel that 2017/2018 will be a great run for the band.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 2 2017, 4:38 pm

Just curious as to exactly how the "average fans" were invited/chosen for the show? Did you have to reside on the east coast? Did you need to be a member of some Facebook group?

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 2 2017, 5:40 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jan 3 2017, 8:18 am) *

I just got back from PA, and I thought the performance was excellent all around.


Of course you did, Ed could have held the mic up to his ass and farted for 30 mins and you'd have loved it tongue.gif

Posted by: mfitz804 Jan 2 2017, 5:42 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 2 2017, 5:40 pm) *

Of course you did, Ed could have held the mic up to his ass and farted for 30 mins and you'd have loved it tongue.gif


I'd have been impressed, would be quite a show of stamina.

Posted by: SJN1279 Jan 2 2017, 7:28 pm

Ed is working hard and doing the right things to be part of a band again:

1. Performing songs primarily from the first four albums, they way they were written(no more changing lyrics on Operation Spirit)

2. Working hard to give the best performance possible while giving room so his bandmates shine as well

3. Writing and working on new material with the band

4. Embracing the rock side of Live, so that the new material will be a total band effort.

Posted by: Existentialist Jan 2 2017, 8:29 pm

Glad to hear that and thanks for the inside info, Nick.

Posted by: feverpusher Jan 2 2017, 8:56 pm

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 2 2017, 4:38 pm) *

Just curious as to exactly how the "average fans" were invited/chosen for the show? Did you have to reside on the east coast? Did you need to be a member of some Facebook group?




Yeah, I'm curious as well! Prior to the performance, I thought it was just going to be a feed of them in their studio, by themselves. Lol - As soon as I saw the feed, I was very confused.

Posted by: jayda Jan 2 2017, 9:11 pm

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 3 2017, 2:42 am) *

Here is a download of the Zoe LaBelle set. It's a direct rip from the Yrk Creative Facebook site. I have trimmed the beginning and end so that there's only the performance.

https://www.mediafire.com/?6tsdc1aktwp500z




Does anyone give a shit about the Zoe chick's music? Just another sideline for CT yeah?

Posted by: jayda Jan 2 2017, 9:21 pm

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jan 3 2017, 11:28 am) *

Ed is working hard and doing the right things to be part of a band again:

1. Performing songs primarily from the first four albums, they way they were written(no more changing lyrics on Operation Spirit)

2. Working hard to give the best performance possible while giving room so his bandmates shine as well

3. Writing and working on new material with the band

4. Embracing the rock side of Live, so that the new material will be a total band effort.


Reading your shit makes me feel even less for the band than I was already feeling. Number 2 makes me want to vomit. You are full of shit.

Posted by: WaiterAtCliftons Jan 2 2017, 9:37 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 2 2017, 9:21 pm) *

Reading your shit makes me feel even less for the bank than I was already feeling. Number 2 makes me want to vomit. You are full of shit.



1 - so far after a very small one show sample all songs played were from the first 4 albums.

2 - Ed did give it his all the other night. He worked the crowd wonderfully. Honestly you guys cannot truly get the feel of the atmosphere of the show by watching the feed. It did not capture it at all.

3 - Nick is correct they are writing and recording right now.

4 - So far it's been a total band effort.



Posted by: Bremang Jan 2 2017, 10:16 pm

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 2 2017, 2:13 pm) *


I guess the good thing is it doesn't matter whether you consider it a Live album or not, the fact is, it is a Live album.


You can find Live albums on their spotify and official store.

Posted by: Bremang Jan 2 2017, 10:20 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 2 2017, 10:11 pm) *


Does anyone give a shit about the Zoe chick's music? Just another sideline for CT yeah?


I like a few of the tracks, and yeah she seems like a "sideline" for CT

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 2 2017, 10:28 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 2 2017, 9:11 pm) *
Does anyone give a shit about the Zoe chick's music?
No, i couldn't care less.

Posted by: Unsheathed Jan 2 2017, 11:20 pm

The Turn just got deleted from my phone without my permission. Kinda shitty, but I got a physical copy to back it up. Fucking fascists.

I'm still on the fence. The performance sounded fine to me; it's not really worth judging a live performance if you aren't really there.

The Zoe performance was weird. I don't really understand what in the fuck is going on with that and how it could possibly relate to Live.

I haven't heard The River in a very long time. That's honestly the biggest thing keeping me going these days.

Posted by: WaiterAtCliftons Jan 3 2017, 1:16 am

Some press from the other night.
http://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2017/01/02/live-reunites-new-years-eve-magic-back/96088716/

http://www.alternativenation.net/live-reunite-ed-kowalczyk-rocking-new-year/

Posted by: jayda Jan 3 2017, 2:44 am

QUOTE(Unsheathed @ Jan 3 2017, 3:20 pm) *

The Turn just got deleted from my phone without my permission. Kinda shitty, but I got a physical copy to back it up. Fucking fascists.




How?

Posted by: LiveForNow Jan 3 2017, 3:27 am

I seriously do not get where most of this Ed-bashing is coming from re: the NYE concert. Ed shattered my wildest expectations for the night and performed the songs with more intensity and seriousness than I've seen in a long time.

This was evident from the first fucking "Aaahhh" from PLOTRS

Don't believe be? Watch this.

This is how Ed has been doing the "Aaaah" at his solo shows and later Live days for years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMax4xqS0wg
https://youtu.be/00YBaNzTKlI?t=10s

Big fucking hokey smile. A little dance at the waist. It's a joyus "Aaaahh" that welcomes sweet baby Jesus right into his heart.

Now this was the "Aaahhh" on NYE:

https://sendvid.com/l23gc1ze

It is a NIGHT AND DAY difference. This "Aaahhh" was serious. Sure it's no "Aaahhh" from the early 90s, but this "Aaahhh" was a major step in the right direction, and light years ahead of what it's been.

If this was not the first fucking thing that you noticed, then you have not been paying attention to Ed. You aren't analyzing him and looking at him objectively. You simply are pre-determined to hate him. Any objective Ed observer would have seen the difference. That moment alone should have been a huge moment of excitement, or at the minimum, a moment of relief.

I am no Ed apologist. I've been frustrated with him too. I didn't even know Live existed until 2008. In 2008, Live headlined the DC101 Chili Cookoff in Washington, DC, which triggered an uptick in airplay. I heard "All Over You" on the radio and I was hooked. I sought it out online and listened to the studio version over and over again. I then listened to the Paradiso version and my immediate reaction was "Did they replace the singer?" I was that anti-new Ed I didn't even think it was the same guy.

Ed's voice has changed. I don't think it's that bad, but what kills me is the joyous, hokey Ed. Ed kept the hokiness to a minimum the other night. Sure we saw it in bits and pieces, but guys, it's not nearly as bad as it's been. Ed made a very solid effort and took a huge turn in the right direction on NYE. 90s Ed is gone. The most we can hope for is current Ed taking the songs seriously. He did that for the most part. He brought back the crazy eyes. By the time they hit the end of the set list WD brought down the house.

There are still things that bug me about Ed that were prevalent on NYE. I CANNOT STAND the falsetto on "More Wine!" in LJ. The angry growl is what makes that line work and the falsetto kills it. We also heard a few "sweet lords" in there. But seriously, it was so minimized compared to what it has been.

If you want another piece of evidence things are headed in the right direction, get this. They didn't play Heaven. Seriously, that's a HUGE indicator of what's to come. Heaven was their last hit. A song Ed wrote about the birth of his daughter and his faith in God. I'd be hard pressed to find the last Ed solo or original Live show that excluded Heaven. It's been a playlist mainstay, even on 10 song sets, since 2003 and it wasn't there. That is Ed honoring the music that's important to his bandmates.

I really hate to say this, but if you aren't going to give Ed a chance it's time to leave. Take your memories of early Live and cherish them, because I don't know what you have to gain by following the band if you won't give Ed a chance. I would have said the same thing about people who didn't give Shinn a chance. The best analogy I can make is this: My favorite TV show is the Simpsons. By far. But it went downhill after season 10 and is now unwatchable. It pains me to see new Simpsons episodes. I really, really wish they ended it when it was good and allowed for its legacy to be what it was. But they didn't, and I don't watch the show anymore. I don't go to the Simpsons Facebook page and complain about the new eps. I simply keep the memories I have, watch the old eps, and do not interact with the new incarnation. If this is how you feel about Live, you owe it to yourself to do the same.

My overall opinion about the people who stick around to bash Ed is this: You really don't hate new Ed as much as you think you do. I think you're disappointed that he isn't who he was. I sure as fuck am. I'm also disappointed that Rolling Stone's biggest band of 1995 (beating out huge acts) never capitalized on their commercial potential and now are falling into oblivion. It sucks. Our band is great and deserves to be remembered. But if you're still here, accept that a part of you likes him. I don't believe that people are here because they love to hate. Nobody loves to hate. Hating sucks. If you have hated Ed since 1999, then you've had 18 years to find another band to gravitate to. Again, I look at the Simpsons analogy. The Simpsons stopped being good right around the time Live fell out of favor with the haters. I watched the Simpsons after it was bad. I then stopped watching and complained that it was bad. Then I walked away. That was over 10 years ago. The only reason I'd be watching the new Simpsons today would be if a part of me still liked it. It doesn't and I moved on. If you're still here 18 years later, a part of you still likes the current version of Live.

I have evidence for this. And Pokey, I'm sorry but I have to call you out. Before I do, I just want you to know you're one of my favorite contributors to the site and your analysis is very strong. I enjoy reading every one of your posts even if I think you're lying to yourself at times. Here's why I'm calling you out. You once called Purifier a damn good song then called it one of Live's worst. We talked about this on the Purifier thread but your explanation that "You hear something for the first time and then you hear it over and over and your opinion changes" can only go so far. I definitely do not like The River now as much as I did the first time, and Space Jam doesn't hold up like it did when I was a kid, but no fucking way a "damn good song" can then be one of their worst. I've never in my 27 years of life heard someone's opinion on a song change so much as that. This is the epitome of convincing yourself you hate something that you like, or are at the very least, are still warm to. Pokey aside, here's more evidence to my theory. There was SO MUCH praise for Night of Nights when SFBM came out. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a thread called "How Good is Night of Nights"? Now those same people have nothing but shit to say about every track on SFBM (which I agree is their worst album).

So seriously people, to all the people who bashed Ed for NYE, I think you have three options:

1. Give Ed a chance. Watch the show again and compare each track to his solo shows. He brought it in ways he hasn't brought it for years.
2. Admit you like current Live more than you do. Still be critical, we need healthy criticism of the band. But stop acting like they're worse than Nickelback
3. If you really do hate current Live. If you've hated current Live since TDTH or V and think they have absolutely nothing left to contribute, find another band. It's such a better use of time to find new music that you like than to shit on music that you hate. You owe it to yourself. Start by listening to Lewis Del Mar. They're a great new band that would be a better use of time than bashing Live.

Posted by: Merica Jan 3 2017, 3:52 am

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 3 2017, 2:11 am) *

Does anyone give a shit about the Zoe chick's music? Just another sideline for CT yeah?


For me it's like when he posts pictures of Bill's racing stuff and tries to get us to care. Like a Bill victory is a victory for all Live fans or whatever. I'm like hmmmmmm, nah. Free to post what and how he wants obviously, but I'm just here for the Live music tbh. All the sideline stuff I don't care about. Internet cable company something something someth-omg it's 2017 and we still haven't heard New City wtf.

Posted by: Lakini's Juice Jan 3 2017, 3:57 am

No plexiglass for CG. bounce.gif

Posted by: Wambangalang Jan 3 2017, 4:02 am

Sorry LiveForNow I wasn't listening, could you repeat that please?

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 4:32 am

QUOTE(Bremang @ Jan 3 2017, 2:16 pm) *

You can find Live albums on their spotify and official store.


Sweet, it's on Spotify and iTunes when I check there, so I guess it's a Live album.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 4:33 am

QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jan 3 2017, 11:28 am) *

Ed is working hard and doing the right things to be part of a band again:

1. Performing songs primarily from the first four albums, they way they were written(no more changing lyrics on Operation Spirit)

2. Working hard to give the best performance possible while giving room so his bandmates shine as well

3. Writing and working on new material with the band

4. Embracing the rock side of Live, so that the new material will be a total band effort.


Hahaha "working hard". I love how working hard is basically just ticking off the bare minimums of being in a rock band.

Posted by: Lakini's Juice Jan 3 2017, 6:54 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 3 2017, 10:32 am) *

Sweet, it's on Spotify and iTunes when I check there, so I guess it's a Live album.


It's not on Spotify in The Netherlands. hehe.gif

Posted by: mattyeagles Jan 3 2017, 6:58 am

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Jan 3 2017, 3:27 am) *

I seriously do not get where most of this Ed-bashing is coming from re: the NYE concert. Ed shattered my wildest expectations for the night and performed the songs with more intensity and seriousness than I've seen in a long time.

This was evident from the first fucking "Aaahhh" from PLOTRS

Don't believe be? Watch this.

This is how Ed has been doing the "Aaaah" at his solo shows and later Live days for years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMax4xqS0wg
https://youtu.be/00YBaNzTKlI?t=10s

Big fucking hokey smile. A little dance at the waist. It's a joyus "Aaaahh" that welcomes sweet baby Jesus right into his heart.

Now this was the "Aaahhh" on NYE:

https://sendvid.com/l23gc1ze

It is a NIGHT AND DAY difference. This "Aaahhh" was serious. Sure it's no "Aaahhh" from the early 90s, but this "Aaahhh" was a major step in the right direction, and light years ahead of what it's been.

If this was not the first fucking thing that you noticed, then you have not been paying attention to Ed. You aren't analyzing him and looking at him objectively. You simply are pre-determined to hate him. Any objective Ed observer would have seen the difference. That moment alone should have been a huge moment of excitement, or at the minimum, a moment of relief.

I am no Ed apologist. I've been frustrated with him too. I didn't even know Live existed until 2008. In 2008, Live headlined the DC101 Chili Cookoff in Washington, DC, which triggered an uptick in airplay. I heard "All Over You" on the radio and I was hooked. I sought it out online and listened to the studio version over and over again. I then listened to the Paradiso version and my immediate reaction was "Did they replace the singer?" I was that anti-new Ed I didn't even think it was the same guy.

Ed's voice has changed. I don't think it's that bad, but what kills me is the joyous, hokey Ed. Ed kept the hokiness to a minimum the other night. Sure we saw it in bits and pieces, but guys, it's not nearly as bad as it's been. Ed made a very solid effort and took a huge turn in the right direction on NYE. 90s Ed is gone. The most we can hope for is current Ed taking the songs seriously. He did that for the most part. He brought back the crazy eyes. By the time they hit the end of the set list WD brought down the house.

There are still things that bug me about Ed that were prevalent on NYE. I CANNOT STAND the falsetto on "More Wine!" in LJ. The angry growl is what makes that line work and the falsetto kills it. We also heard a few "sweet lords" in there. But seriously, it was so minimized compared to what it has been.

If you want another piece of evidence things are headed in the right direction, get this. They didn't play Heaven. Seriously, that's a HUGE indicator of what's to come. Heaven was their last hit. A song Ed wrote about the birth of his daughter and his faith in God. I'd be hard pressed to find the last Ed solo or original Live show that excluded Heaven. It's been a playlist mainstay, even on 10 song sets, since 2003 and it wasn't there. That is Ed honoring the music that's important to his bandmates.

I really hate to say this, but if you aren't going to give Ed a chance it's time to leave. Take your memories of early Live and cherish them, because I don't know what you have to gain by following the band if you won't give Ed a chance. I would have said the same thing about people who didn't give Shinn a chance. The best analogy I can make is this: My favorite TV show is the Simpsons. By far. But it went downhill after season 10 and is now unwatchable. It pains me to see new Simpsons episodes. I really, really wish they ended it when it was good and allowed for its legacy to be what it was. But they didn't, and I don't watch the show anymore. I don't go to the Simpsons Facebook page and complain about the new eps. I simply keep the memories I have, watch the old eps, and do not interact with the new incarnation. If this is how you feel about Live, you owe it to yourself to do the same.

My overall opinion about the people who stick around to bash Ed is this: You really don't hate new Ed as much as you think you do. I think you're disappointed that he isn't who he was. I sure as fuck am. I'm also disappointed that Rolling Stone's biggest band of 1995 (beating out huge acts) never capitalized on their commercial potential and now are falling into oblivion. It sucks. Our band is great and deserves to be remembered. But if you're still here, accept that a part of you likes him. I don't believe that people are here because they love to hate. Nobody loves to hate. Hating sucks. If you have hated Ed since 1999, then you've had 18 years to find another band to gravitate to. Again, I look at the Simpsons analogy. The Simpsons stopped being good right around the time Live fell out of favor with the haters. I watched the Simpsons after it was bad. I then stopped watching and complained that it was bad. Then I walked away. That was over 10 years ago. The only reason I'd be watching the new Simpsons today would be if a part of me still liked it. It doesn't and I moved on. If you're still here 18 years later, a part of you still likes the current version of Live.

I have evidence for this. And Pokey, I'm sorry but I have to call you out. Before I do, I just want you to know you're one of my favorite contributors to the site and your analysis is very strong. I enjoy reading every one of your posts even if I think you're lying to yourself at times. Here's why I'm calling you out. You once called Purifier a damn good song then called it one of Live's worst. We talked about this on the Purifier thread but your explanation that "You hear something for the first time and then you hear it over and over and your opinion changes" can only go so far. I definitely do not like The River now as much as I did the first time, and Space Jam doesn't hold up like it did when I was a kid, but no fucking way a "damn good song" can then be one of their worst. I've never in my 27 years of life heard someone's opinion on a song change so much as that. This is the epitome of convincing yourself you hate something that you like, or are at the very least, are still warm to. Pokey aside, here's more evidence to my theory. There was SO MUCH praise for Night of Nights when SFBM came out. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a thread called "How Good is Night of Nights"? Now those same people have nothing but shit to say about every track on SFBM (which I agree is their worst album).

So seriously people, to all the people who bashed Ed for NYE, I think you have three options:

1. Give Ed a chance. Watch the show again and compare each track to his solo shows. He brought it in ways he hasn't brought it for years.
2. Admit you like current Live more than you do. Still be critical, we need healthy criticism of the band. But stop acting like they're worse than Nickelback
3. If you really do hate current Live. If you've hated current Live since TDTH or V and think they have absolutely nothing left to contribute, find another band. It's such a better use of time to find new music that you like than to shit on music that you hate. You owe it to yourself. Start by listening to Lewis Del Mar. They're a great new band that would be a better use of time than bashing Live.



awesome post- nailed it! totally agree

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 8:14 am

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Jan 3 2017, 7:27 pm) *

I seriously do not get where most of this Ed-bashing is coming from re: the NYE concert. Ed shattered my wildest expectations for the night and performed the songs with more intensity and seriousness than I've seen in a long time.

This was evident from the first fucking "Aaahhh" from PLOTRS

Don't believe be? Watch this.

This is how Ed has been doing the "Aaaah" at his solo shows and later Live days for years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMax4xqS0wg
https://youtu.be/00YBaNzTKlI?t=10s

Big fucking hokey smile. A little dance at the waist. It's a joyus "Aaaahh" that welcomes sweet baby Jesus right into his heart.

Now this was the "Aaahhh" on NYE:

https://sendvid.com/l23gc1ze

It is a NIGHT AND DAY difference. This "Aaahhh" was serious. Sure it's no "Aaahhh" from the early 90s, but this "Aaahhh" was a major step in the right direction, and light years ahead of what it's been.

If this was not the first fucking thing that you noticed, then you have not been paying attention to Ed. You aren't analyzing him and looking at him objectively. You simply are pre-determined to hate him. Any objective Ed observer would have seen the difference. That moment alone should have been a huge moment of excitement, or at the minimum, a moment of relief.

I am no Ed apologist. I've been frustrated with him too. I didn't even know Live existed until 2008. In 2008, Live headlined the DC101 Chili Cookoff in Washington, DC, which triggered an uptick in airplay. I heard "All Over You" on the radio and I was hooked. I sought it out online and listened to the studio version over and over again. I then listened to the Paradiso version and my immediate reaction was "Did they replace the singer?" I was that anti-new Ed I didn't even think it was the same guy.

Ed's voice has changed. I don't think it's that bad, but what kills me is the joyous, hokey Ed. Ed kept the hokiness to a minimum the other night. Sure we saw it in bits and pieces, but guys, it's not nearly as bad as it's been. Ed made a very solid effort and took a huge turn in the right direction on NYE. 90s Ed is gone. The most we can hope for is current Ed taking the songs seriously. He did that for the most part. He brought back the crazy eyes. By the time they hit the end of the set list WD brought down the house.

There are still things that bug me about Ed that were prevalent on NYE. I CANNOT STAND the falsetto on "More Wine!" in LJ. The angry growl is what makes that line work and the falsetto kills it. We also heard a few "sweet lords" in there. But seriously, it was so minimized compared to what it has been.

If you want another piece of evidence things are headed in the right direction, get this. They didn't play Heaven. Seriously, that's a HUGE indicator of what's to come. Heaven was their last hit. A song Ed wrote about the birth of his daughter and his faith in God. I'd be hard pressed to find the last Ed solo or original Live show that excluded Heaven. It's been a playlist mainstay, even on 10 song sets, since 2003 and it wasn't there. That is Ed honoring the music that's important to his bandmates.

I really hate to say this, but if you aren't going to give Ed a chance it's time to leave. Take your memories of early Live and cherish them, because I don't know what you have to gain by following the band if you won't give Ed a chance. I would have said the same thing about people who didn't give Shinn a chance. The best analogy I can make is this: My favorite TV show is the Simpsons. By far. But it went downhill after season 10 and is now unwatchable. It pains me to see new Simpsons episodes. I really, really wish they ended it when it was good and allowed for its legacy to be what it was. But they didn't, and I don't watch the show anymore. I don't go to the Simpsons Facebook page and complain about the new eps. I simply keep the memories I have, watch the old eps, and do not interact with the new incarnation. If this is how you feel about Live, you owe it to yourself to do the same.

My overall opinion about the people who stick around to bash Ed is this: You really don't hate new Ed as much as you think you do. I think you're disappointed that he isn't who he was. I sure as fuck am. I'm also disappointed that Rolling Stone's biggest band of 1995 (beating out huge acts) never capitalized on their commercial potential and now are falling into oblivion. It sucks. Our band is great and deserves to be remembered. But if you're still here, accept that a part of you likes him. I don't believe that people are here because they love to hate. Nobody loves to hate. Hating sucks. If you have hated Ed since 1999, then you've had 18 years to find another band to gravitate to. Again, I look at the Simpsons analogy. The Simpsons stopped being good right around the time Live fell out of favor with the haters. I watched the Simpsons after it was bad. I then stopped watching and complained that it was bad. Then I walked away. That was over 10 years ago. The only reason I'd be watching the new Simpsons today would be if a part of me still liked it. It doesn't and I moved on. If you're still here 18 years later, a part of you still likes the current version of Live.

I have evidence for this. And Pokey, I'm sorry but I have to call you out. Before I do, I just want you to know you're one of my favorite contributors to the site and your analysis is very strong. I enjoy reading every one of your posts even if I think you're lying to yourself at times. Here's why I'm calling you out. You once called Purifier a damn good song then called it one of Live's worst. We talked about this on the Purifier thread but your explanation that "You hear something for the first time and then you hear it over and over and your opinion changes" can only go so far. I definitely do not like The River now as much as I did the first time, and Space Jam doesn't hold up like it did when I was a kid, but no fucking way a "damn good song" can then be one of their worst. I've never in my 27 years of life heard someone's opinion on a song change so much as that. This is the epitome of convincing yourself you hate something that you like, or are at the very least, are still warm to. Pokey aside, here's more evidence to my theory. There was SO MUCH praise for Night of Nights when SFBM came out. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a thread called "How Good is Night of Nights"? Now those same people have nothing but shit to say about every track on SFBM (which I agree is their worst album).

So seriously people, to all the people who bashed Ed for NYE, I think you have three options:

1. Give Ed a chance. Watch the show again and compare each track to his solo shows. He brought it in ways he hasn't brought it for years.
2. Admit you like current Live more than you do. Still be critical, we need healthy criticism of the band. But stop acting like they're worse than Nickelback
3. If you really do hate current Live. If you've hated current Live since TDTH or V and think they have absolutely nothing left to contribute, find another band. It's such a better use of time to find new music that you like than to shit on music that you hate. You owe it to yourself. Start by listening to Lewis Del Mar. They're a great new band that would be a better use of time than bashing Live.


lol

I am giving Ed a chance. First chance was NYE and that was shit. So the other chance is the new music. If that's shit, then I'm out. If its not shit, I'll be surprised and hey, new music to listen to.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 8:15 am

QUOTE(LiveForNow @ Jan 3 2017, 4:27 am) *


I am no Ed apologist. I've been frustrated with him too. I didn't even know Live existed until 2008. In 2008, Live headlined the DC101 Chili Cookoff in Washington, DC, which triggered an uptick in airplay. I heard "All Over You" on the radio and I was hooked. I sought it out online and listened to the studio version over and over again. I then listened to the Paradiso version and my immediate reaction was "Did they replace the singer?" I was that anti-new Ed I didn't even think it was the same guy.

Ed's voice has changed. I don't think it's that bad, but what kills me is the joyous, hokey Ed. Ed kept the hokiness to a minimum the other night. Sure we saw it in bits and pieces, but guys, it's not nearly as bad as it's been. Ed made a very solid effort and took a huge turn in the right direction on NYE. 90s Ed is gone. The most we can hope for is current Ed taking the songs seriously. He did that for the most part. He brought back the crazy eyes. By the time they hit the end of the set list WD brought down the house.



Yep, Ed is a chameleon when it comes to getting that almighty dollar.


Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 8:18 am

QUOTE(Lakini's Juice @ Jan 3 2017, 10:54 pm) *

It's not on Spotify in The Netherlands. hehe.gif


And even the fact that its not, it's still a Live album, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. Just like SFBM is a Live album unfortunately.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 8:25 am

QUOTE(Lakini's Juice @ Jan 3 2017, 4:57 am) *

No plexiglass for CG. bounce.gif


Give it time.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 8:28 am

This whole thing is fascinating. Should be a case study.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 8:34 am

I keep seeing people being "Ed's voice has changed, but thats ok, he doesn't HAVE to sound the way he did back in the 90s!!" ... and thats fair enough, no he doesn't have to sound the same but at the same time, he has to (should) sound good. And I just don't think he does. Yes sounding like he did when he was great in the 90s would be ideal, but I don't think he is physically capable of doing that even if he wanted to (he clearly doesn't because he is making a conscious effort to sing a different way).
So if he sounds different, thats ok .. guess what, Chris sounded different to Ed did and I thought that was great. I would totally be ok with Ed sounding different if what that different was, was good. I just don't think it is.
But right now, it just doesn't fit the music ... it's like getting Taylor Swift to front Live, or Lemmy (RIP) to front ABBA, or Kendrick Lamar to front Jethro Tull. It just sounds like a total mismatch to me. Ed's voice is suitable enough to commercial soft-rock stuff he clearly wanted to do with his solo work.

I just find it funny people saying we should "accept things being different" when many of us were flexible enough to accept Chris who was different when many people who are so inflexible that they could only accept Ed couldn't haha.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 3 2017, 8:59 am

Out of all 17 pages of this thread so far, maybe 1 page of it is actually related to the NYE party.

Can you just go create or use an existing thread if you want to talk about The Turn or why you're pissed or not pissed or want to bash each other?

Isn't this board supposed to support the band? What in the f is wrong with you people. And I don't really care who takes offense to this - if you don't support the band (no matter who is in it), then why the shit are you here?

Anyway, since we still haven't even gotten a real response to this question yet: Did anyone ask any questions/get any good answers at the party?

Can we please dedicate this thread to what the title says from now on? It's frustrating coming to it just to read about why you feel the way you do about how shitty it was for the Turn to disappear or why you think Ed's voice has or has not changed over the years. Seriously, do you think anyone else cares what you think? Can we move on now to the real topic?

There's enough drama - get the f over it.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 9:05 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 3 2017, 9:59 am) *

Out of all 17 pages of this thread so far, maybe 1 page of it is actually related to the NYE party.

Can you just go create or use an existing thread if you want to talk about The Turn or why you're pissed or not pissed or want to bash each other?

Isn't this board supposed to support the band? What in the f is wrong with you people. And I don't really care who takes offense to this - if you don't support the band (no matter who is in it), then why the shit are you here?

Anyway, since we still haven't even gotten a real response to this question yet: Did anyone ask any questions/get any good answers at the party?

Can we please dedicate this thread to what the title says from now on? It's frustrating coming to it just to read about why you feel the way you do about how shitty it was for the Turn to disappear or why you think Ed's voice has or has not changed over the years. Seriously, do you think anyone else cares what you think? Can we move on now to the real topic?

There's enough drama - get the f over it.


Waiting for Bremang's hashtag in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: draynoe Jan 3 2017, 9:30 am

#zzz

Ed mentioned he had a cold on the radio interview. Not from the NYE party, but hey - maybe it's relevant? tongue.gif

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 9:31 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 4 2017, 12:59 am) *

Isn't this board supposed to support the band? What in the f is wrong with you people. And I don't really care who takes offense to this - if you don't support the band (no matter who is in it), then why the shit are you here?


It was filled with people who didn't support the band for years so, this is nothing new.

I love how you say how you go through all the pages and then ask "why the shit are you here?" when people have answered that multiple times in this very thread.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 9:46 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 3 2017, 9:59 am) *

Out of all 17 pages of this thread so far, maybe 1 page of it is actually related to the NYE party.

Can you just go create or use an existing thread if you want to talk about The Turn or why you're pissed or not pissed or want to bash each other?

Isn't this board supposed to support the band? What in the f is wrong with you people. And I don't really care who takes offense to this - if you don't support the band (no matter who is in it), then why the shit are you here?

Anyway, since we still haven't even gotten a real response to this question yet: Did anyone ask any questions/get any good answers at the party?

Can we please dedicate this thread to what the title says from now on? It's frustrating coming to it just to read about why you feel the way you do about how shitty it was for the Turn to disappear or why you think Ed's voice has or has not changed over the years. Seriously, do you think anyone else cares what you think? Can we move on now to the real topic?

There's enough drama - get the f over it.


This board was so unsupportive of Live during the Shinn Era (which doesn't exist) that it spawned a new board.

It actually spawned 2, an Ed solo board, but I do not think it made it.

But I am sure you posted a similar post back then as well?

Posted by: draynoe Jan 3 2017, 9:50 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Jan 3 2017, 9:46 am) *

This board was so unsupportive of Live during the Shinn Era (which doesn't exist) that it spawned a new board.

It actually spawned 2, an Ed solo board, but I do not think it made it.

But I am sure you posted a similar post back then as well?


I supported Live + Shinn too, sure... Let me know when you find a post of mine that is against them with Chris.

I'm well aware of WD etc. too, I'm just trying to see if we can get the topics back on track. If we can't, then again - what's the point of discussing this stuff?

Do we need to spawn another forum to complain about the turn being removed again?

So back on topic - anyone have any questions they asked? smile.gif

Edit: Fixed it.

Posted by: draynoe Jan 3 2017, 9:53 am

QUOTE(vivapokey @ Jan 3 2017, 9:31 am) *

It was filled with people who didn't support the band for years so, this is nothing new.

I love how you say how you go through all the pages and then ask "why the shit are you here?" when people have answered that multiple times in this very thread.


What's wrong with asking that again? It needs to be asked apparently. Why is anyone here that doesn't support Live? ... Just to complain?

Note that I wasn't complaining about Chris at all during his time with Live. I support the band - that's why I'm here.

Posted by: vivapokey Jan 3 2017, 9:54 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 4 2017, 1:50 am) *

Do we need to spawn another forum to complain about the turn being removed again?

So back on topic - anyone have any questions they asked? smile.gif


Yeah "why ignore The Turn? Was Ed not comfortable with an album by CCP full of songs about what a backstabbing prick he was? What does CCP think of Parasite?"

I mean, those are questions you could have asked...

Posted by: dangum Jan 3 2017, 9:57 am

QUOTE(draynoe @ Jan 3 2017, 9:59 pm) *

Out of all 17 pages of this thread so far, maybe 1 page of it is actually related to the NYE party.

This.

From this post forward, please only discuss the NYE concert and none of the other topics which have been discussed endlessly in other threads. If you really want to talk about Ed vs Chris, 90's Ed vs 2010 Ed, Is The Turn a real Live album? then start your own thread or find one of the many existing threads.

Posted by: World Dreamer Jan 3 2017, 10:14 am

QUOTE(dangum @ Jan 3 2017, 10:57 am) *

This.

From this post forward, please only discuss the NYE concert and none of the other topics which have been discussed endlessly in other threads. If you really want to talk about Ed vs Chris, 90's Ed vs 2010 Ed, Is The Turn a real Live album? then start your own thread or find one of the many existing threads.


dangums job was so much easier a week ago!

Posted by: Possum Kingdom Jan 3 2017, 10:44 am

QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Jan 3 2017, 10:14 am) *

dangums job was so much easier a week ago!



Not sure if it's good or bad that I didn't even notice there was another guitarist? I turned it off after about 5 songs. Can he sing backup? Live really misses Adam, because he helped out quite a bit on vocals. CT can still help with I Alone, but that's about it. When playing songs from The Turn they had to use a lot of backing tracks.

If you would've told Live that around 3000 fans would tune in for their NYE performance do you think they would be like that's awesome or holy shit...that's it? Busy night for a lot of people and dealing with different time zones and countries so there were a lot of factors.

Posted by: FishOutaWater Jan 3 2017, 10:48 am

While I understand the desire to restrict the never-ending arguments about 90's Ed verses 2000's Ed and Ed verses Shinn to a single thread so that it doesn't pervade every discussion on this board, objectively speaking, I think it really is relevant to this thread and will probably be relevant to many reviews of Live's performances. This was Live's first performance with Ed after 7 years, and after having Chris Shinn as the lead singer and putting out The Turn which is more rocking than anything Live has done with Ed since Secret Samadhi. Live is telling us they are getting it all back together again like it used to be in the 90's. I think it is fair game to evaluate this performance, and evaluate Ed, as arm-chair fan critics, by weighing in on whether Ed still has the same vocal qualities and stage performance as he did int he 90's (the era they are trying to re-claim). That was a direct question from the interviewer on the MMR interview this morning. I have also seen comments in this thread regarding Chad Taylor and Chad Gracey in the same vein. And the reality is that Ed replaced Chris Shinn as the lead singer of Live. Live had 90's Ed, then 2000's Ed, then Chris Shinn, then 2000's Ed 2.0. We've all lived through all of that. Like it or not, that is going to come with comparisons and evaluations and, regrettably, arguments. Particularly because many Live fans (including the casual fans) will only decide to go along for the ride if Live with Ed brings to the stage and to the recordings the kind of mojo that they had in the 90's. So it's fair to evaluate how they are doing with that. This is a message board. Isn't the entire medium built for opinions, debate and arguments? Perhaps, at a minimum, we could try to limit the opinions, debate and arguments to new points and novel observations instead of rehashing the same things over and over again into their second decade.

By the way. I see Live as being at a critical juncture right now. They get one chance to get this right. Since TDTH, they have been on one long slide down the ranks of obscurity. Apart from the single Heaven, they dropped in quality and relevance with each step of the way, from V to BoP, to SFBM, to The Turn with a different lead singer. Now they have an opportunity with this renion after 7 years to turn it around. They can pump this up with a lot of PR, but at the end of the day, they need to make their stage performances in front of audiences and their new music return to the quality of 1995. If they can do that, they will be a band again for a long time, and they will have an ample active fan base to sustain them. If not, then they will be left with about 5 people on this message board and a passive list of followers on Facebook, and that Live logo might as well be a grave marker.

Posted by: FishOutaWater Jan 3 2017, 1:21 pm

Back on topic for me - Also, unless I missed it, did they make a big deal out fo the fact that 12/31 was the 25th anniversary of Mental Jewelry? I didn't notice it if they did. I wish they had emphasized and celebrated that more. And it would have been a nice gesture to the hardcore fans in attendance on New Years Eve and those who sat in front of a computer screen as the clock ticked 12:00 so they could watch Live perform online, if they had broken out at least one deep cut from Mental Jewelry as a gift to the fans and to celebrate that album. They have been playing Operation Spirit, Peace is Now and Beauty of Gray every night for 20 years. I would have loved it if they had done their homework and rehearsed something like Peace Is Now or Mother Earth is a Vicious Crowd for the fans. That captures the essence of Live and is so poignant for the times. That has never been Live's thing, but I think it needs to become a bigger part of their show preparation. I've seen a bunch of old time bands who break out deep cuts they haven't played in years and that gratifies their fans. This show wasn't for the casual festival attendee who wants to hear the hits. I really hate to sound like I am unappreciative, because they did host a show for fans and share it in a free stream, but truth be told, I actually expected something a little more special in the set list.

Posted by: jayda Jan 3 2017, 3:52 pm

I've started to watch the NYE show. About 47mins into the video. I could have told you all 20 seconds in that Ed had a cold.

So far, he is doing ok re the performing (apart from the cold which is clearly affecting his voice so will reserve judgement).

I can't get over how umm, more 'mature' he looks. Not in a bad way at all, but he looks different. I haven't really seen a pic of him for 2 or 3 years now. Apart from a little bit of that video with him in it in the radio studio recently.

To be honest, I've been doing other things whilst it was playing. It bored me to sit there watching it. Maybe I've lost it as far as LIVE are concerned. Makes me sad to think that.

Why did it take them so long to get on stage after Hinesy introduced them?

Another thing, they need a new MC.

Posted by: Live4Life Jan 3 2017, 5:43 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 3 2017, 3:52 pm) *



Another thing, they need a new MC.





For sure!

Posted by: Fool_By_The_River Jan 3 2017, 7:37 pm

Whitediscussion on youtube just uploaded an HD version of the whole show from a different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oj47s_ICxk&t=0s

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 3 2017, 7:54 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 3 2017, 2:52 pm) *

I can't get over how umm, more 'mature' he looks. Not in a bad way at all, but he looks different. I haven't really seen a pic of him for 2 or 3 years now. Apart from a little bit of that video with him in it in the radio studio recently.



It was the opposite with me with Gracey and Pat. Since I hadn't really paid attention to them much in the past couple of years, they looked a lot more mature, esp. CG. I did notice Ed is getting those, what do you call them, liver spots, on his face. Sucks when your rock idols start showing their age.

Posted by: The Thrill Jan 3 2017, 10:47 pm

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 3 2017, 3:52 pm) *

I've started to watch the NYE show. About 47mins into the video. I could have told you all 20 seconds in that Ed had a cold.

So far, he is doing ok re the performing (apart from the cold which is clearly affecting his voice so will reserve judgement).

I can't get over how umm, more 'mature' he looks. Not in a bad way at all, but he looks different. I haven't really seen a pic of him for 2 or 3 years now. Apart from a little bit of that video with him in it in the radio studio recently.

To be honest, I've been doing other things whilst it was playing. It bored me to sit there watching it. Maybe I've lost it as far as LIVE are concerned. Makes me sad to think that.

Why did it take them so long to get on stage after Hinesy introduced them?

Another thing, they need a new MC.


Two things. Ed was very sick the whole week. But the show must go on.
And lastly. I don't think "hinsey introduced anyone". Did you hear an introduction. I didn't. What I heard was someone thanking someone. That's what I heard, but certainly NOBODY introduced the band. That's a fact.

Posted by: The Thrill Jan 3 2017, 10:48 pm

QUOTE(Live4Life @ Jan 3 2017, 5:43 pm) *

For sure!


Diane, I see your still the same a-hole.

Posted by: Existentialist Jan 3 2017, 11:56 pm

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Jan 3 2017, 10:47 pm) *

Two things. Ed was very sick the whole week. But the show must go on.
And lastly. I don't think "hinsey introduced anyone". Did you hear an introduction. I didn't. What I heard was someone thanking someone. That's what I heard, but certainly NOBODY introduced the band. That's a fact.

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Posted by: jayda Jan 4 2017, 12:04 am

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Jan 4 2017, 2:47 pm) *

Two things. Ed was very sick the whole week. But the show must go on.
And lastly. I don't think "hinsey introduced anyone". Did you hear an introduction. I didn't. What I heard was someone thanking someone. That's what I heard, but certainly NOBODY introduced the band. That's a fact.


Yeah, well, it was obvious he wasn't well.

To tell you the truth Hinsey, I didn't listen to you beyond the first sentence tongue2.gif so I assumed you were introducing them when you were talking, checking your phone (I hope it was where you had your speech written and you weren't on social media lol.gif ) and walking back and forth.

Posted by: Bremang Jan 4 2017, 1:09 am

When it comes to Live, it is in Bill Hynes' best interest to disappear way way way into the background.

Posted by: san_sao Jan 4 2017, 1:09 am

QUOTE(The Thrill @ Jan 3 2017, 10:47 pm) *

Two things. Ed was very sick the whole week. But the show must go on.
And lastly. I don't think "hinsey introduced anyone". Did you hear an introduction. I didn't. What I heard was someone thanking someone. That's what I heard, but certainly NOBODY introduced the band. That's a fact.


Maybe that's why I thought he looked nervous.

Posted by: Merica Jan 4 2017, 4:19 am

QUOTE(jayda @ Jan 3 2017, 8:52 pm) *
I can't get over how umm, more 'mature' he looks. Not in a bad way at all, but he looks different. I haven't really seen a pic of him for 2 or 3 years now. Apart from a little bit of that video with him in it in the radio studio recently.


I feel like you want to say old. lol.gif

QUOTE(Bremang @ Jan 4 2017, 6:09 am) *

When it comes to Live, it is in Bill Hynes' best interest to disappear way way way into the background.


I'm hardly Bill's biggest fan, but beyond the folks on this forum I don't really think the masses of general fans will be paying enough attention to care either way tbh. So he can probably just keep doing whatever and it won't make a difference. (Except on here where it understandably ruffles some feathers when he insults Chris and diminishes his contribution.)

Also, as for Ed having a cold, there are things he did in the show (which I'm about to rewatch) which I don't really care for and they don't have anything to do with a cold. But in general, having a cold will surely have hampered him so fair play for soldiering on all that.

Aside - weren't they supposed to do a NYE show in 1999 but pulled out because Ed was ill? I might be pulling that out my arse, I dunno. Anyone remember?

Posted by: dangum Jan 4 2017, 5:59 am

More footage [CrashIn2Me6945] - up close

White, Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9ONxNWvrM

Lakini's Juice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5pafIFfJpI

Full show [Benjamin Colon] - far away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tms82K7ftUw



Posted by: Merica Jan 4 2017, 6:36 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 1 2017, 9:00 am) *

Just finished watching it. A few thoughts...

1. Most importantly of all: Bill, man. Anybody ever seen you and Joe Rogan in the same room? Srsly.

2. Wasn't a fan of the "get your singer back" / "we got our singer back" stuff, just cos again the language of it all seems to pretend that Chris doesn't exist and that whole thing didn't happen.

3. The band sounded kind of tame at times, but I'm happy to put this down to watching it via a FB thing instead of being there in the room. Same with crowd noise tbh. I'm sure in other videos we'll get a better sense of how they're sounding.

4. Ed's certainly trying. Not sure I'm on board, though. At times it's totally fine, but at others I'm reminded of why I'm not really jumping for joy about his return.

5. But hey, he didn't undermine Operation Spirit. Good times.

6. I wish they threw something fun into the setlist. Waitress, Graze, Meltdown. I dunno, just a little something left field. As it is they dropped a really safe setlist. MJ stuff is to be expected given the MJ anniversary, but the rest is kinda standard heritage act stuff. Like come on, guys. That audience is clearly more familiar with your work than the average bunch. Take advantage!


Finished watching it for a second time. I stuck with the same stream instead of trying out any of the YouTube footage (which supposedly sounds better - and if so, fair play.) To address my original points.

1. I don't know why Bill's tried to say his introduction wasn't an introduction and that it was a thanks instead. It's clearly both, mate. You do the thanks, and then end up getting the crowd going with the "we got the singer back" stuff. You're not exactly saying "and heeeeeeeere comes LIIIIVE", but it's an introduction. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's a none issue imo. As for why it took so long for them to take the stage after, I guess they were just waiting for the dry ice to get going. Or maybe Gracey needed a poo, I dunno.

2/3: Nothing to add.

4. Again, yeah, props to Ed for putting in the effort to perform things classic style, as opposed to solo Ed style where it feels like every other line is flourished with a lawd or child and he never stops smiling. But again, even here there's bits and pieces of solo Ed that occasionally creep in and I'm like hmmmmmmmm, but for the most part it's fine if too nasally as he's become as the years have progressed. He doesn't sound at this best, and his voice does creak and squeak - but y'know, cold and stuff. Whatever.

5. Want to reiterate how pleased I am that he did the proper lyrics for Operation Spirit. As I've said before, I consider the way he changed it to be amongst thegrossest things anyone in the band has done. If he'd dropped the Jesus love into this I'd have given it a two word review: fuck off. And to be clear, I've no problem with him changing lyrics or doing ad-libs (sans the lawd, child stuff), but that particular thing really undermined the whole song and the way a lot of us have connected with it for years and years.

6. I feel even more disappointed about the setlist second time around. It really does seem like a missed opportunity. Brothers Unaware, Top, Graze, Meltdown - it really would have been great to see something a little inspired sprinkled inbetween the hits. Just a little something to say hey, pay attention cos we're doing interesting stuff. Considering that towards the very end of the original run they did throw a few curveballs in, it's quite a shame that they were this safe with the setlist. We'll get more of a sense of how playful they're feeling as time goes on, but yeah. If they stick to the hits then they're the heritage act CT never wanted to be. Stayed tuned, I guess.

Posted by: Deku Jan 4 2017, 7:58 am

QUOTE

I am giving Ed a chance. First chance was NYE and that was shit. So the other chance is the new music. If that's shit, then I'm out. If its not shit, I'll be surprised and hey, new music to listen to.

I know you elaborated further on this later in the thread but I don't agree that Ed was shit on the night. Made me cringe a few times, sure, but my definition of shit would be forgetting the words, not really putting much into it, maybe pooing himself on stage for good measure but as far as I could see he didn't do that. Seemed focused and carried the tracks well and the general consensus from folk who were there and watching online was that he did good even though he was supposedly sick that week.

Do agree on the new music front though. For me that's what this version of Live is resting on. They've got it all to do.


Posted by: Possum Kingdom Jan 4 2017, 9:19 am

QUOTE(Deku @ Jan 4 2017, 7:58 am) *


Do agree on the new music front though. For me that's what this version of Live is resting on. They've got it all to do.


That's it for me in a nutshell. CCP have proven to me with TGF and Shinn that they can write music I really enjoy. Hopefully we'll see what Ed has left to contribute. I'll be comparing whatever they release to the The Turn and not MJ, TC and SS.

Posted by: FishOutaWater Jan 4 2017, 10:22 am

I listened to most of the NYE concert again from the higher quality YouTube link posted above on my car stereo and it sounds much better from that source. Much better. I really liked what I heard and, unlike the Facebook feed, I felt that good old feeling of excitement and rush that I've always gotten from Live. By the time I got to I Alone, I was singing along and super pumped to see some concerts. I really hope they announce some non-festival dates soon. Some local warm-up shows around York, Lancaster, Philly, etc. would be awesome. I'm ready.

Posted by: Possum Kingdom Jan 4 2017, 10:47 am

QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Jan 4 2017, 10:22 am) *

I listened to most of the NYE concert again from the higher quality YouTube link posted above on my car stereo and it sounds much better from that source. Much better. I really liked what I heard and, unlike the Facebook feed, I felt that good old feeling of excitement and rush that I've always gotten from Live. By the time I got to I Alone, I was singing along and super pumped to see some concerts. I really hope they announce some non-festival dates soon. Some local warm-up shows around York, Lancaster, Philly, etc. would be awesome. I'm ready.


I need to do that as well. I'll admit it's pretty cool to see some long time fans finding Live all over again.

Posted by: But Not Broken Jan 4 2017, 11:10 am

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 3 2017, 7:54 pm) *

It was the opposite with me with Gracey and Pat. Since I hadn't really paid attention to them much in the past couple of years, they looked a lot more mature, esp. CG. I did notice Ed is getting those, what do you call them, liver spots, on his face. Sucks when your rock idols start showing their age.



Liver spots? People get older. That's aging. Did you expect them to be 20? If you found something lacking in the performance, you are entitled to that opinion. But pointing out physical flaws is an asinine way to go. They are human beings.

To me, their age makes this all the more compelling. It's an easier and more natural thing when you're young and #1 on the charts. But to see guys in their mid 40's trying to maximize the spirit of their music, giving it their all has a beautiful grit to it. Yes, it's flawed, and the prize is smaller, but it's harder earned and I respect that.

You guys can either cling to some perfect version of Live from your childhood, or you can appreciate what's in front of you. It's valid if you're not into what they're doing. But why spend your time here complaining instead of listing to all the other great music that's out there?

And, yes, they should vary the setlist going forward =) But I love them anyway.

Thanks for reading.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 4 2017, 12:51 pm

QUOTE(But Not Broken @ Jan 4 2017, 10:10 am) *

Liver spots? People get older. That's aging. Did you expect them to be 20? If you found something lacking in the performance, you are entitled to that opinion. But pointing out physical flaws is an asinine way to go. They are human beings.

To me, their age makes this all the more compelling. It's an easier and more natural thing when you're young and #1 on the charts. But to see guys in their mid 40's trying to maximize the spirit of their music, giving it their all has a beautiful grit to it. Yes, it's flawed, and the prize is smaller, but it's harder earned and I respect that.

You guys can either cling to some perfect version of Live from your childhood, or you can appreciate what's in front of you. It's valid if you're not into what they're doing. But why spend your time here complaining instead of listing to all the other great music that's out there?

And, yes, they should vary the setlist going forward =) But I love them anyway.

Thanks for reading.


Dude, you took my post to be way more critical than what it's meant to be. I'm probably one of the happiest-that-they-are-back-together fans on this board. Of course they are getting older. I am too. But I'm all for bands keeping it going as long as they are happy to. I'm sad that a couple of my favorites, AC/DC and Aerosmith in example, are getting way close to hanging it up. It's just an observation and realization that awe, my rock idols are getting older and not going to be forever. Don't know what I'll do with myself when there's no more concerts that I want to go to.

I loved the NYE show. My only wish was to see LIVE interact a little more.

Posted by: But Not Broken Jan 4 2017, 1:02 pm

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 4 2017, 12:51 pm) *

Dude, you took my post to be way more critical than what it's meant to be. I'm probably one of the happiest-that-they-are-back-together fans on this board. Of course they are getting older. I am too. But I'm all for bands keeping it going as long as they are happy to. I'm sad that a couple of my favorites, AC/DC and Aerosmith in example, are getting way close to hanging it up. It's just an observation and realization that awe, my rock idols are getting older and not going to be forever. Don't know what I'll do with myself when there's no more concerts that I want to go to.

I loved the NYE show. My only wish was to see LIVE interact a little more.



Noted. Apologies if I seemed harsh, and some of that was directed at certain sentiments I've picked up here. Sorry if I unfairly lumped you in.

I enjoyed watching that youtube clip of the NYE show. Glad we can agree.

Posted by: Soxwsc Jan 4 2017, 2:06 pm

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 4 2017, 12:51 pm) *

Dude, you took my post to be way more critical than what it's meant to be. I'm probably one of the happiest-that-they-are-back-together fans on this board. Of course they are getting older. I am too. But I'm all for bands keeping it going as long as they are happy to. I'm sad that a couple of my favorites, AC/DC and Aerosmith in example, are getting way close to hanging it up. It's just an observation and realization that awe, my rock idols are getting older and not going to be forever. Don't know what I'll do with myself when there's no more concerts that I want to go to.

I loved the NYE show. My only wish was to see LIVE interact a little more.


Hey, I feel the same way.. so you're not alone. I think I'll be going to concerts no matter what though, as long as I can walk. I just love the experience of watching a killer live show among thousands of obsessed fans.

For me, I'm at that stage where I'm either struck by how old the crowd looks when I go to a concert by one of my rock idols or I feel out of place among a sea of high school students if I attend a concert by a new up-and-coming band.

Next month I'm seeing Twenty One Pilots for the first time. I'm hoping it's a diverse crowd. At least I look young for my age, but still I'm a bit reluctant to be around thousands of screaming 13 year olds. Good thing my tickets are in the seats several rows up from the floor.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 4 2017, 2:58 pm

QUOTE(Soxwsc @ Jan 4 2017, 1:06 pm) *

Hey, I feel the same way.. so you're not alone. I think I'll be going to concerts no matter what though, as long as I can walk. I just love the experience of watching a killer live show among thousands of obsessed fans.

For me, I'm at that stage where I'm either struck by how old the crowd looks when I go to a concert by one of my rock idols or I feel out of place among a sea of high school students if I attend a concert by a new up-and-coming band.

Next month I'm seeing Twenty One Pilots for the first time. I'm hoping it's a diverse crowd. At least I look young for my age, but still I'm a bit reluctant to be around thousands of screaming 13 year olds. Good thing my tickets are in the seats several rows up from the floor.


Yes, I'm so with you on this! Concerts have been my absolute favorite thing to since I was 14. I'm really dating myself here, but back when I was that age, the tickets were $25 general admission. My mom or friends' parents would dump us off at the arenas (no cell phones, omg!) mid afternoon so we could get in line and be up front. Those were the days! Now I'm astonished because I'd never drop my teenager off for a concert and, "be back to pick you up at 11!" I just have to give my mom a free pass because I don't think she realized the type of bands I was seeing.

I hope the fun lasts a long time... Hell, I'll be at shows even in a wheelchair! I already have a fracture boot for an injury of mine that just isn't and probably never will be 100%. I've often wondered if handicapped seating is any good. laugh.gif

Finally, speaking of Twenty One Pilots, I like their first single and thought their performance on the AMA's was really awesome. Been meaning to check them out more. Rare for me to be interested in a new band, because (here I go sounding old again,) I don't see many new artists that I think I'd like. Have fun at their show.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 4 2017, 3:03 pm

QUOTE(But Not Broken @ Jan 4 2017, 12:02 pm) *

Noted. Apologies if I seemed harsh, and some of that was directed at certain sentiments I've picked up here. Sorry if I unfairly lumped you in.

I enjoyed watching that youtube clip of the NYE show. Glad we can agree.


No worries smile.gif

Posted by: Soxwsc Jan 4 2017, 5:48 pm

QUOTE(Voodoo Lady @ Jan 4 2017, 2:58 pm) *

Yes, I'm so with you on this! Concerts have been my absolute favorite thing to since I was 14. I'm really dating myself here, but back when I was that age, the tickets were $25 general admission. My mom or friends' parents would dump us off at the arenas (no cell phones, omg!) mid afternoon so we could get in line and be up front. Those were the days! Now I'm astonished because I'd never drop my teenager off for a concert and, "be back to pick you up at 11!" I just have to give my mom a free pass because I don't think she realized the type of bands I was seeing.

I hope the fun lasts a long time... Hell, I'll be at shows even in a wheelchair! I already have a fracture boot for an injury of mine that just isn't and probably never will be 100%. I've often wondered if handicapped seating is any good. laugh.gif

Finally, speaking of Twenty One Pilots, I like their first single and thought their performance on the AMA's was really awesome. Been meaning to check them out more. Rare for me to be interested in a new band, because (here I go sounding old again,) I don't see many new artists that I think I'd like. Have fun at their show.


lol.gif If I'm ever in a wheelchair, I'll be joining you in the handicapped section. I'll never stop rocking out.

They're not exactly "rock" but Twenty One Pilots apparently puts on a great electrifying show so I'm pretty excited. And I was a fan of their 2 major albums before Stressed Out became a hit. It's crazy to think in just 1 year the video is quickly reaching 1 billion views. If you haven't, you should check out some of their other videos, like Car Radio. They're the same reason I got into Live during the SS era.. weird crazy lyrics, unique vibe and great sounding tunes that make you feel something deeper than other music out there.

Posted by: Voodoo Lady Jan 4 2017, 6:17 pm

QUOTE(Soxwsc @ Jan 4 2017, 4:48 pm) *

lol.gif If I'm ever in a wheelchair, I'll be joining you in the handicapped section. I'll never stop rocking out.

They're not exactly "rock" but Twenty One Pilots apparently puts on a great electrifying show so I'm pretty excited. And I was a fan of their 2 major albums before Stressed Out became a hit. It's crazy to think in just 1 year the video is quickly reaching 1 billion views. If you haven't, you should check out some of their other videos, like Car Radio. They're the same reason I got into Live during the SS era.. weird crazy lyrics, unique vibe and great sounding tunes that make you feel something deeper than other music out there.


See, I thought they were new; had no idea of the previous albums. Thank you for the heads up! I'm going to finally, definitely You Tube them tonight. I get the SS analogy--that's probably what has gotten my attention. Unique indeed.

Posted by: Pingfah Jan 5 2017, 7:10 am

I thought this was pretty decent. Ed's voice was a bit dodgy, but there's no reason he can't sort that out. If Chris Cornell can virtually restore his 20 year old voice, I'm sure Ed can do better than this.

Overall though, pretty positive.

Posted by: sellingthdrama Jan 5 2017, 11:36 am

QUOTE(Merica @ Jan 4 2017, 6:36 am) *

4. Again, yeah, props to Ed for putting in the effort to perform things classic style, as opposed to solo Ed style where it feels like every other line is flourished with a lawd or child and he never stops smiling. But again, even here there's bits and pieces of solo Ed that occasionally creep in and I'm like hmmmmmmmm, but for the most part it's fine if too nasally as he's become as the years have progressed. He doesn't sound at this best, and his voice does creak and squeak - but y'know, cold and stuff. Whatever.

Yes, the classic style is important to me. I felt like he wasn't taking it seriously with the kind of Mickey Mouse smiley performances with the "lawds" and such. I feel like he's trying to perform the music now. It's a wonderful improvement.

In general, Ed back with the band felt like a natural fit. I loved the Turn, but this lineup feels right. It's actually Live now. Yahhh!!!!

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 5 2017, 12:15 pm

Lakini's Juice rocked so much, best part of the concert was at the end of the song, mad energy! band.gif

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 12 2017, 5:10 pm

Here are MP3's of this show.

***Taken from Audience Recording
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kay748uduwjh2c1/Live_-_New_Year%27s_Concert_%28Live_in_York%2C_2016-12-31%29%29.zip

Posted by: throwing_cheetahs Jan 12 2017, 11:55 pm

Here are MP3's taken from the Facebook Live NYE Stream.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9zx5vpvmtg7a527/Live_-_New_Year%27s_Facebook_Live_Stream%2C_2016-12-31_%28MP3%29.zip

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