The Distance to Here, Interesting note Options

[SJN1279]

Ed gets all the crap for the lack of commercial success(at least in the US) for LIVE's later albums. However, Ed wrote 9 of 12 songs for The Distance to Here(including the albums biggest hit, The Dolphin's Cry), yet he doesn't get the majority of credit for its success. In many countries it was actually a bigger album than Throwing Copper, and to many it contains LIVE's best work.

So why the double standard?

[Pokey]

I see you're starting threads now to get attention.

This is one that you won't get much argument from, TDTH always seemed to be a lot of Ed's brain child and the majority of us all love it. You might not have picked up on it but we all loved Ed at one point and it was when he actually was producing amazing stuff like this. It's obvious that TDTH was still a much bigger collaboration of the 4 as opposed to the next 3 albums. But once again, most of us don't think of "success" in terms of how much fucking money it makes. We care about the artistic success, and at the period of TDTH, Ed was still filled to the brim with creativity. I'd give Ed an enormous amount of credit for TDTH, even CT said that if SS was his vision of Live, then TDTH was Ed's, and they both worked. It's everything that came after that didn't. There are no double standards because no one is denying Ed's level of involvement on TDTH. Ed was amazing, its what made his fall from grace in so many of our eyes so horrid. We know how great he was with things like TDTH so it just highlights his own personal creative fall after this point.
This thread is making a point no one is really arguing.

[themaestro]

TDTH certainly featured Ed taking on more of the songwriting but they still collaborated as a band on the songs that Ed brought to the recording sessions. They also worked with Jerry Harrison who is a key component in creating the Live sound. I don't think this album was as collaborative as CCP would have liked but I think they would have taken this process of creating Live songs going forward. However, Ed did not want to work with JH again and he continued to isolate himself further from CCP after TDTH. Everything after that is really a disjointed effort.

[OutToDry]

stop replying to these baiting threads....the op asked not to be counted.....let's not allow him any wiggle room. Please ignore the clown.

[Opinechik]

If someone wants to reply to one of his threads, who the hell is anyone to tell them not to?
Do what you want and let others do what they want.
A member just stated in another thread that they enjoy his posts in the Ed area, a ban would mean no posts anywhere. That hardly seems fair to the people who want to read him.

[alexou]

With all the B-sides from this era, It is obvious that it was really a band collaboration at that time. Whether it was Ed's or other people's vision. When a band already established like that put that much effort on their music, they get results and TDTH has some gems musically and lyrically. We all know that from V, all the albums were rushed and we just need to listen to the records to realize that. Listen TDTH and after SFBM...what a fall!

[Pokey]

If someone wants to reply to one of his threads, who the hell is anyone to tell them not to?
Do what you want and let others do what they want.
A member just stated in another thread that they enjoy his posts in the Ed area, a ban would mean no posts anywhere. That hardly seems fair to the people who want to read him.

It sure is tough copying and pasting Ed tour dates in the Ed section!

[Opinechik]

It sure is tough copying and pasting Ed tour dates in the Ed section!

No, no, no you're finished with this argument.
You're welcome, and not to worry Poke, I'll keep you on the straight and narrow. ::wink

[Pokey]

No, no, no you're finished with this argument.
You're welcome, and not to worry Poke, I'll keep you on the straight and narrow. ::wink

Good luck

[Opinechik]

Good luck

:woosh
I meant in your endeavor not to argue a Nick banning with me over and over again.

[Hoodstock]

TDTH is a fantastic album, but I personally put it behind TC and SS. The one thing I always hated about TDTH was the fact that Vine Street wasn't on it.

I would say Live's albums currently can be placed into 2 categories. "MJ-TDTH" and "V and Later". TDTH was really the album that to me that bridged the transition from Live working together as a band to Live becoming the Ed show. It really was the last great album they created.

After that transition everything went downhill.

[Pokey]

:woosh
I meant in your endeavor not to argue a Nick banning with me over and over again.

Oh, you should be more clear then

[Opinechik]

Oh, you should be more clear then

I shall do my very best to be as succinct as possible in future posts, taking particular care with specific posts directed at you.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

CT has written a lot about TDTH, given the b-sides that we've all heard it really could have been an entirely different album (Don't Wait, Change, Vine Street, Deeper, etc.). Sounded like that was out of the hands of the band.

I always liked the album a great deal but not including those songs made it the turning point for Live from darker rock to silly pop/rock.

[mfitz804]

TDTH was the beginning of Ed's overuse of the falsetto, which everyone hates. I remember downloading that album and wondering why he was doing that so much.

Also, TC went platinum in the US 8 times over. I don't know how mant copies TDTH sold.

Being popular in Europe and other overseas places and being popular in the US are on two different levels.

This post has been edited by mfitz804: Mar 25 2012, 2:45 pm