Live / Ed K Paradox, A visual interpretation Options

[OutToDry]

But will anyone besides us few here still be around to listen to it?

You don't have too....you still have old concert recordings, like I as well. Enjoy them, but there will be new chapters!!!

[OutToDry]

Right, discard TGF because you don't like it. Ignore what it takes to completely relaunch Live with a new singer. Ignore all of their other projects and expect them to have new Live music out. God forbid someone challenge themselves to put out incredible music, like the music that attracted us to them in the first place. The could have easily put out something, but then it wouldn't have met their high standards. If you want some mediocre, half assed, uninspiring music there's plenty out there.

Ed reserved studio time and had to 'cover budgets' to record Alive......he really only recorded it in a few weeks in Jan of 2010. Not the longer time that is surmised. Something doesn't make sense in the math. TGF has other music to come out, when the time is right and time permits. it's not the end all, be all and scheduling does change when youre dealing with multiple bands.

[jclive]

They did, it's called SFBM and they tried to pass it off as if it was just the same old Live. Since then, CCP have come out to say it probably should have been a solo Ed album. At least be honest with what you are doing and I can have some respect. Ed is making Christian Pop Rock yet he's going around saying it's reminiscent of 90's Live and playing all the hits from Live's catalog. Get real. Alive is nothing like classic Live and his performances are nothing like it either. Just be honest with everyone, including yourself. Embrace the Christian Pop Rock thing and I'll have some respect for you. As far as CCP turning to soft rock, if they ever did I'm sure they wouldn't pretend to be Live. Aging gracefully and softening somewhat is one thing, going 180 degrees is another. I always imagined Live going the route of U2. They have softened but it's not soft rock. A listen to No Line on the Horizon will confirm that they still have the passion to create great alternative rock music. Do I expect them to create another Sunday Bloody Sunday? No but if you're going to call yourselves U2, give me something that resembles U2. They still are. If Live is going to call themselves Live, I expect something that resembles Live. If Ed is going to continually compare himself to Live and rely so heavily on Live songs, then give me something that resembles Live. Only he's not.

I dont have a problem with Christian Pop Rock. I am a believer. I appreciate the message. And you have one thing right here: Ed would be better off if he didnt run his mouth about his music rocking like old Live. It obviously doesnt. But I like it anyway. For me, he does give something that resembles Live - its voice.

Sounds like Live will be adding a 2nd voice soon. I'll be giving that a try as well.

Ed said a lot of stupid stuff over the years about religion. I learned to tune it out and enjoy the music instead. Same with politics. I dont care to hear about the band's political leanings. Just give me music please, I'll get my political fix from somewhere else.

For the record, I cant stand U2.

[World Dreamer]

I said live and I am referring to music. I am not counting the horrible km
led tgf. What have they done since Ed left. People are complaining about Alive but live hasn't put anything out. So until that happens stop telling me about How great it's going to be. Ed sucks and live has things coming soon. Great thing to hold your hat on. Those b sides I have been waiting on do sound great. They haven't done dick.

First off, they have done something. They did TGF. I know you don't like it but as far as albums go, it is 1 to 1.

Since their releases, Ed decided to tour and write new songs and promote his charity, and CCP decided to do a bunch of random things.

Musically CCP are rehearsing, hopefully writing new songs, launching a website (any day now would be great...), recording radio shows, performing on occasion as TGF and getting ready to send out those b-sides (right guys? Anyone? Buehler?). Now, the discussion of things taking forever or not happening at all has been had a billion times and just about everything has been said that can be said, but these are at least things that are going on at some level.

Outside of music we have seen all the articles about the real estate stuff and I am sure they spend good time with their families as I am sure Ed does.

Point is, CCP are busy, Ed is busy, and none of us are.

[World Dreamer]

For the record, I cant stand U2.

Funny you say that. Neither can I. And most of the bands posted about on here I don't like. Most recent example is Van Halen. Just can't stand Van Halen.

But Live reached everyone here. Truth.

[themaestro]

Ed reserved studio time and had to 'cover budgets' to record Alive......he really only recorded it in a few weeks in Jan of 2010. Not the longer time that is surmised. Something doesn't make sense in the math. TGF has other music to come out, when the time is right and time permits. it's not the end all, be all and scheduling does change when youre dealing with multiple bands.

Absolutely, and I know they aren't going to release any Live material until it is absolutely perfect. I'd expect it to take some time to work in a new singer, especially if you are going to write new material that will stand up with classic Live. They could have easily just plugged in some Ed clone and gone out on tour if that's what they wanted to do.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Feb 27 2012, 12:40 pm

[themaestro]

I dont have a problem with Christian Pop Rock. I am a believer. I appreciate the message. And you have one thing right here: Ed would be better off if he didnt run his mouth about his music rocking like old Live. It obviously doesnt. But I like it anyway. For me, he does give something that resembles Live - its voice.

Sounds like Live will be adding a 2nd voice soon. I'll be giving that a try as well.

Ed said a lot of stupid stuff over the years about religion. I learned to tune it out and enjoy the music instead. Same with politics. I dont care to hear about the band's political leanings. Just give me music please, I'll get my political fix from somewhere else.

For the record, I cant stand U2.

Didn't mean you should embrace it, I mean Ed. I'd have more respect for him if he just quit running his mouth about classic Live, as you agree. Just get behind the Christian Pop Rock. I may not like it, but I'd respect it. That's cool on U2. I only used that as an example since Live was so influenced by them and I think they have stayed true to what they've always been about. I imagined Live's career going as their's has. It hasn't been without a few bumps but the original band is still together and their most recent release was their best in a long time.

[briburge]

First off, they have done something. They did TGF. I know you don't like it but as far as albums go, it is 1 to 1.

Since their releases, Ed decided to tour and write new songs and promote his charity, and CCP decided to do a bunch of random things.

Musically CCP are rehearsing, hopefully writing new songs, launching a website (any day now would be great...), recording radio shows, performing on occasion as TGF and getting ready to send out those b-sides (right guys? Anyone? Buehler?). Now, the discussion of things taking forever or not happening at all has been had a billion times and just about everything has been said that can be said, but these are at least things that are going on at some level.

Outside of music we have seen all the articles about the real estate stuff and I am sure they spend good time with their families as I am sure Ed does.

Point is, CCP are busy, Ed is busy, and none of us are.

I agree but my point was not that Ed is more active it was that people are talking shit about what he is doing now and how great live will be in the future

[FishOutaWater]

I can't even believe that there are 13 pages of debate about this subject.

CCP are authentic artists who have continued cleaving to their roots: musically, geographically, economically, artistically, spiritually, and familially.

Ed is an artistically-empty, sell-out who has pivotted away from everything he once stood for: artistically, spiritually, economically and geographically.

Those facts are clear and undisputed on the record. Ed ran out of artistic gas, took over the band and drove it into the ground. Then he made some questionable business moves, and Live became both artistically and financially empty for everyone but Ed and there was no alternative but to disband. You would have to be blind and deaf not to see all of the writing on the wall from V to BoP to SFBM, to Alive, Ed's online store with coffee and stick figures and paid phone conversations, the oddessy of the song Believe which turned into Honest Man, the quality of TGF and the earnest, workman-like effort and integrity that CCP put into the legacy of Live, TGF, rehearsals and everything else that they do. I've got two TGF T-shirts that I wear at least once a week because when they dropped the price of their tickets they gave free T-shirts to people who pre-ordered at a higher price. How's that for integrity?!?! Combineall of that with the numerous personal accounts of interactions with these 4 individuals and it is all very obvious. The debate is over. I don't need to compare Alive 2.0 with Live 2.0 to make my conclusion.

[Pokey]

Bluegrass country fan doesn't expect their favorite band to get into gangsta rap.

Can I but in here at a completely inappropriate time to introduce to the awesome "Gangstagrass" :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBRgLQ4bEA

[briburge]

If Ed is a sellout what does that make Ccp for going along with music they disnt want for over a decade and then want Ed back for the last year?

[possum]

If Ed is a sellout what does that make Ccp for going along with music they disnt want for over a decade and then want Ed back for the last year?

Life long friends.

[SJN1279]

Life long friends.

[OutToDry]

If Ed is a sellout what does that make Ccp for going along with music they disnt want for over a decade and then want Ed back for the last year?

Like Possum said. This is why.....they were like brothers. Even today they still consider him a brother. This is why, if they didn't have the origins they did, Live would have disbanded after SS!!!

[OutToDry]

truth hurts eh? You all read commentary from Thrill based on his meeting with Ed. I think that says it all. They still consider him that, even though they were done wrong.