Mount Pocono, PA, Saturday February 18, 2012 Options

[brett]

There was no question going to be asked at all. I was just saying hello from Chad, Chad & Pat. THATS IT! It was an Olive Branch, to promote some healing. Thats it. If the same situation was in reverse and a good friend of Ed's showed up at one of The Gracious Few shows, or a +LIVE+ show, Chad, Chad & Pat would have been more than accomadating and very cordial.

did Chad, Chad and Pat actually tell you to say hello to Ed for them?

[jclive]

I'm pretty sure if confrontation was the aim then as you say, Thrill wouldn't have left so amicably. I'd have to take him at his word that he meant no harm. And I was just disagreeing with Nick that turning down a picture isn't a sign of being confrontational.
It's not to say Ed wasn't within his rights to ask him to leave, it's just that if the point was to ruffle feathers then I think it would have gone down slightly differently.

I never said that confrontation was the Thrill's aim. I indicated that the way he started off the conversation would (and did) give Ed reson to believe that confrontation could possibly be in the cards. It seems that he meant no harm. However, the Thrill's approach was not appropriate for the situation.

I also agree that turning down a picture is not a sign of being confrontational. To each his own.

Put yourself in Ed's shoes. He doesnt know if confrontation is coming or not. He's not going to talk about his fued with a fan at a meet & greet. He offered a picture with the fan. The fan refused, after just leaving Ed with the feeling that confrontation could possibly arise. He removed the fan from the equation, thus eliminating a potential source of a confrontation. Again, good job by all involved.

[Merica]

I think Ed's actions were pretty justified, to be honest. As he said, it wasn't the place for it. Not especially appropriate. But at the same time, I don't think Thrill was trying to cause trouble as such. Was just never gonna happen, really.

[Pokey]

I never said that confrontation was the Thrill's aim. I indicated that the way he started off the conversation would (and did) give Ed reson to believe that confrontation could possibly be in the cards. It seems that he meant no harm. However, the Thrill's approach was not appropriate for the situation.

I also agree that turning down a picture is not a sign of being confrontational. To each his own.

Put yourself in Ed's shoes. He doesnt know if confrontation is coming or not. He's not going to talk about his fued with a fan at a meet & greet. He offered a picture with the fan. The fan refused, after just leaving Ed with the feeling that confrontation could possibly arise. He removed the fan from the equation, thus eliminating a potential source of a confrontation. Again, good job by all involved.

I know you didn't, I was responding to Nick, he was saying that declining a photo is a telltale sign of looking for confrontation, I don't really think it is and pointed out I've personally seen others decline photos.

I think we all agree that Ed had the right to remove him and that all in all there really wasn't all that much to this whole thing.
Although I still personally wouldn't feel for Ed at all if people were confronting him in public, I think he deserves it.

[jclive]

I know you didn't, I was responding to Nick, he was saying that declining a photo is a telltale sign of looking for confrontation, I don't really think it is and pointed out I've personally seen others decline photos.

I think we all agree that Ed had the right to remove him and that all in all there really wasn't all that much to this whole thing.
Although I still personally wouldn't feel for Ed at all if people were confronting him in public, I think he deserves it.

Why do you think Ed deserves people confronting him about his personal business in public? Its not like this is the first time he's not wanted to talk about something that a fan wanted to discuss. Nothing new there.

[Pokey]

Why do you think Ed deserves people confronting him about his personal business in public? Its not like this is the first time he's not wanted to talk about something that a fan wanted to discuss. Nothing new there.

Because I think people should get their comeuppance, for the most part I don't really care about Ed anymore, but I still think he's turned into a massive dick, and sometimes you smile a little when you see someone like that have to squirm a bit.

But don't bother arguing that point because I know you don't agree with that already and that's a whole different argument again that the board has been over a million times. I wouldn't imagine it being a great use of people's time and resources to go out of their way to confront or poke him. I know I certainly wouldn't bother, for example if he was having another gig here and I heard he's having a meet and greet I wouldn't bother going to the show or the after party just to throw anything in his face, he doesn't interest me as an artist anymore so I wouldn't bother. And of course it's not totally "right" to do it either, but doesn't mean I won't crack a smile if I hear had happened to him though. I said it before, part of it is nice knowing Ed doesn't always get to walk around with his fingers in his ears as if no harm was ever done, or he caused none.
And I know that's not what The Thrill was aiming to do or anything like that, but im sure it still conjured up those feelings.

But really as its been said, I think this whole thing is all a bit of a big non issue. I think we all blew it out of proportion with what it could have been.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Feb 21 2012, 11:20 am

[themaestro]

I never said that confrontation was the Thrill's aim. I indicated that the way he started off the conversation would (and did) give Ed reson to believe that confrontation could possibly be in the cards. It seems that he meant no harm. However, the Thrill's approach was not appropriate for the situation.

I also agree that turning down a picture is not a sign of being confrontational. To each his own.

Put yourself in Ed's shoes. He doesnt know if confrontation is coming or not. He's not going to talk about his fued with a fan at a meet & greet. He offered a picture with the fan. The fan refused, after just leaving Ed with the feeling that confrontation could possibly arise. He removed the fan from the equation, thus eliminating a potential source of a confrontation. Again, good job by all involved.

The elephant in the room is the fact that Ed refuses to acknowledge anything. There is no correct time and place because he ignores every attempt to try to bring some reconciliation to things. He thinks it's all a mischaracterization. He won't discuss anything with them in private either from what I understand. Seems like they've tried all they can, including trying to amicably reach out to the guy. Ed has got his guard up because deep down, he knows he's in the wrong. He's expecting confrontation because he knows he deserves it. Whatever. He can't keep up the charade forever. His house of cards will fall. C,C,P will be there for him but it's doubtful Ed could ever bring himself to reconcile with "those individuals" for it would mean facing all that he has done.

[jclive]

The elephant in the room is the fact that Ed refuses to acknowledge anything. There is no correct time and place because he ignores every attempt to try to bring some reconciliation to things. He thinks it's all a mischaracterization. He won't discuss anything with them in private either from what I understand. Seems like they've tried all they can, including trying to amicably reach out to the guy. Ed has got his guard up because deep down, he knows he's in the wrong. He's expecting confrontation because he knows he deserves it. Whatever. He can't keep up the charade forever. His house of cards will fall. C,C,P will be there for him but it's doubtful Ed could ever bring himself to reconcile with "those individuals" for it would mean facing all that he has done.

Ed doesnt have to acknkowledge anything. Especially in the realm of anything even remotely public. It is up to him whether there is a time or a place. You people make this out to sound like he owes us, or owes it to CC&P, etc. His reasons for whatever he thinks or does are his alone.

CC&P will be there for him? What are they going to do, tell their new singer "hey sorry guy, but Ed came back, so we're replacing you now"? They have moved on too. Its ok. Music for the fans in each camp. And even more music for the fans in both camps. Everybody wins!

[themaestro]

Ed doesnt have to acknkowledge anything. Especially in the realm of anything even remotely public. It is up to him whether there is a time or a place. You people make this out to sound like he owes us, or owes it to CC&P, etc. His reasons for whatever he thinks or does are his alone.

CC&P will be there for him? What are they going to do, tell their new singer "hey sorry guy, but Ed came back, so we're replacing you now"? They have moved on too. Its ok. Music for the fans in each camp. And even more music for the fans in both camps. Everybody wins!

I didn't say anything about us or me. The dude was there to pass on that C,C,P loved him. Ed jumped to conclusions. The thrill introduced himself so Ed knew who he was, someone very close to C,C,P. Someone close enough to the situation to pass on such a heartfelt message.

[jclive]

I didn't say anything about us or me. The dude was there to pass on that C,C,P loved him. Ed jumped to conclusions. The thrill introduced himself so Ed knew who he was, someone very close to C,C,P. Someone close enough to the situation to pass on such a heartfelt message.

And the dude picked a bad venue to try to pass along a message. What's Ed supposed to do, hear this guy out? Ed responded correctly, as did that dude by leaving without incident.

[themaestro]

And the dude picked a bad venue to try to pass along a message. What's Ed supposed to do, hear this guy out? Ed responded correctly, as did that dude by leaving without incident.

They've tried all sorts of things to try to get through to the guy. This is what it has come to.

[Aitkens]

And the dude picked a bad venue to try to pass along a message. What's Ed supposed to do, hear this guy out? Ed responded correctly, as did that dude by leaving without incident.

No he most certainly did not respond correctly. Correctly would have been saying, "Thank you" and leaving it at that.

[jclive]

They've tried all sorts of things to try to get through to the guy. This is what it has come to.

Was The Thirll sent there on a mission by CC&P?

[themaestro]

Was The Thirll sent there on a mission by CC&P?

You'll have to ask him that. But he's obviously very close to them and wanted to pass on a message only to be rebuffed just as they have been. Doesn't matter what the venue is, the response is always the same.

[briburge]

They've tried all sorts of things to try to get through to the guy. This is what it has come to.

i guess calling him out in a public fashion left a bad taste. as a fan, thats what always bothered me about this deal. you dont tell your kids your wife is banging the mailman when your getting a divorce no matter how pissed you are.