I'd say this confirms all the speculation.... Options

[thefunkyredcaboose]

An album with tracks like New City would be just like hearing an all new album to me. We know so little of those songs, but I hope they only do that if the songs fit with their other material.

[Pokey]

True, but theres still the knowledge of knowing it was in part written by someone no longer present. Personally I don't care either way, just gimmie music!

[Live4Life]

That doesn't really confirm much of anything. The dude is a singer/songwriter. But whatever floats your boat bud.

[Pokey]

That doesn't really confirm much of anything. The dude is a singer/songwriter. But whatever floats your boat bud.

Yeah but it's the fact he's posting from York.

[zmanpga]

I messaged Chris, he was there to pick up some YORK peppermint patties on the way to HERSHEY with the family

[SJN1279]

An album with tracks like New City would be just like hearing an all new album to me. We know so little of those songs, but I hope they only do that if the songs fit with their other material.

I don't think that they would want to pay Ed extra royalties on their new album by including material that he wrote.

[SctSamadhi]

That doesn't really confirm much of anything. The dude is a singer/songwriter. But whatever floats your boat bud.

The suspected new lead singer of Live happens to be writing new music (just before his brand new album is set to hit the shelves) while located in York, PA. You are right he must have gotten inspired, decided to write another new album, and decided it would be much more fun to do this in York, PA which is nowhere near where he lives, right bud....

[World Dreamer]

I don't think that they would want to pay Ed extra royalties on their new album by including material that he wrote.

This is possible although it depends on whether or not they care THAT much about the money or are still pissed at Ed THAT much. I mean, if they pump out 10 new tracks and put a few older ones and Ed gets some money I am okay with that.

I am not sure what I would do if I were in their situation. It is a tough call. There are pros and cons to doing either.

[dangum]

I just hope they don't release a stock standard 12 track, 40 minute CD.

Make it special, add a few extra tracks and try to fill the disc with music. Something like 13 new songs along with a few re-recorded unreleased original Live tracks would be a good comprimse.

[Pokey]

I just hope they don't release a stock standard 12 track, 40 minute CD.

Make it special, add a few extra tracks and try to fill the disc with music. Something like 13 new songs along with a few re-recorded unreleased original Live tracks would be a good comprimse.

Yeah I agree, a 2 disc CD. First disc being all new tracks and the second being re-recorded stuff that we previously haven't seen before. Make the whole thing a real event, if Ed gets some royalties for writing credits on the re-recorded stuff then so what, he helped write those songs so he deserves them, nothing wrong with that.

[dancing queen]

I know that they don't have huge backing financially (they're doing this all on their own, right? I'm assuming new Live is using the same record company that TGF used, which is really just them, right?) so I would LOVE 2 cd's, but I think 12 songs is more likely. As long as it's not 10. I don't know when 10 songs, 35 minutes became an acceptable cd length. It's not. I'd love 14 or 15 songs, at least 3 of them old, unreleased - that would be satisfactory
As far as the royalties go... I have no idea how much $ has to be paid per song/per cd sold, but it can't be too terrible much - especially since I doubt this will be a cd that goes platinum (not being pessimistic, just trying to be real about it). Though it would be cool if, after a slow simmer for a year or so, it just took off and became apeshit popular. (because I want the guys to feel like they should keep doing what makes them happy, and it would be really nice to have some people eat crow...)

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I don't think that they would want to pay Ed extra royalties on their new album by including material that he wrote.

I think if they wanted to release the music they would, whether they needed to give Ed a cut or not. This would probably exclude it from being a 2 disc release, but it wouldn't stop them from including certain songs if they wanted to. Other bands (even indie artists) spend the $$$ to put cover songs on their albums simply because they want the music on their album, this situation isn't much different.

What wouldn't surprise me is if we get some of the music of the old songs that we never heard, with brand new lyrics and melodies (not that we would ever know). Like Believe becoming Honest Man.

[Sonic Tonic]

I just hope they don't release a stock standard 12 track, 40 minute CD.

Make it special, add a few extra tracks and try to fill the disc with music. Something like 13 new songs along with a few re-recorded unreleased original Live tracks would be a good comprimse.

I just want good music. Don't care how many songs. Though I don't want it to be below 50min or so.
Would be funny to release a proggy concept album with a 1 hour long epic song lol.

This post has been edited by Sonic Tonic: Jan 30 2012, 3:25 pm

[FishOutaWater]

The more I think about this, the more I think that I just don't know how I am going to react to this Live 2.0.

I am almost 100% positive that I will love it. I couldn't have told you that before TGF made music, but TGF proved to me that CCP have still "got it", perhaps moreso than ever. If they have selected a quality artist/vocalist to join with them in Live 2.0, and they apply themselves, then I am pretty sure that I will like it and it will be objectively great music.

Thank God for TGF, if for no other reason than for coming before Live 2.0 and showing us that there is still rocket fuel in the tank. TGF is to Live 2.0 like John the Baptist is to Jesus.

But that being said, I don't know how I will react to Live 2.0 in the cd player and in concert. Great music? Yes. Live? I don't know. Live is Live. You know. Ed Kowalczyk. 4 boys from York. Lifelong friends. Teaching me things about myself and society. Making me think. Every spin of a tune is a different journey and I hear something new every time.

Live 1.0 is dead and gone. I don't think it will EVER return. I don't care if Ed ever comes back and sings Lightening Crashes and other hits on a stage at a county fair again. That's not what Live is all about and it is regrettable that it was what Live became.

Live 1.0 is dead because of what it takes to make classic Live music in the songwriting process. The music has to come from a place where the 4 guys were when they were kicking pebbles down the abandoned blue-collar streets of York, discovering a vast world outside of the confines of white, christian York County and Lancaster County. Ed in the rich mountains of California, with money and connections and the blessing of a big beautiful family and spiritual contentment in the belief system of his upbringing is not the right spring from which great new Live music will spring forth. Even if he becomes penitent and reconciles his friendship with CCP, he would have a HUGE journey in front of him before he can find that organic temult that is necessary for making good Live music. If he tries to write music today that sounds like classic Live, he would be faking it. Because he doesn't have it in him anymore.

CCP have miraculously kept "it". Not even the shaking of Ed's "money maker" in their faces as they grooved off a miltoast rendition of Sofia was able to pound their passion into submission. It is probably the grounding of living in York and Lancaster.

Alas, there is no Wayback machine and there is no hot tub time machine. So now we have Live 2.0. What will differentiate it from TGF? The sound of the music will be different than TGF. It will be more Live-esque. The lyrics should be different. They will be more Live-esque. But will it be "Live"? How long will it take before you stop hearing CCP playing their distinctive music (and it is probably only distinctive to us - and probably not even ALL of us) behind a new lead singer. How long will it be before we think of it as "Live"?

And what will the concerts be like? What will it be like for the new lead singer to sing Live songs. He might do a decent Ed vocal performance to make you think it is similar. But will it feel like a Live concert with a different lead singer any more than it will feel like a TGF concert with a different lead singer? What will it feel like?

I don't know.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jan 30 2012, 6:39 pm

[OutToDry]

The more I think about this, the more I think that I just don't know how I am going to react to this Live 2.0.

I am almost 100% positive that I will love it. I couldn't have told you that before TGF made music, but TGF proved to me that CCP have still "got it", perhaps moreso than ever. If they have selected a quality artist/vocalist to join with them in Live 2.0, and they apply themselves, then I am pretty sure that I will like it and it will be objectively great music.

Thank God for TGF, if for no other reason than for coming before Live 2.0 and showing us that there is still rocket fuel in the tank. TGF is to Live 2.0 like John the Baptist is to Jesus.

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Live 1.0 is dead and gone. I don't think it will EVER return. I don't care if Ed ever comes back and sings Lightening Crashes and other hits on a stage at a county fair again. That's not what Live is all about and it is regrettable that it was what Live became.

Live 1.0 is dead because of what it takes to make classic Live music in the songwriting process. The music has to come from a place where the 4 guys were when they were kicking pebbles down the abandoned blue-collar streets of York, discovering a vast world outside of the confines of white, christian York County and Lancaster County. Ed in the rich mountains of California, with money and connections and the blessing of a big beautiful family and spiritual contentment in the belief system of his upbringing is not the right spring from which great new Live music will spring forth. Even if he becomes penitent and reconciles his friendship with CCP, he would have a HUGE journey in front of him before he can find that organic temult that is necessary for making good Live music. If he tries to write music today that sounds like classic Live, he would be faking it. Because he doesn't have it in him anymore.

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CCP have miraculously kept "it". Not even the shaking of Ed's "money maker" in their faces as they grooved off a miltoast rendition of Sofia was able to pound their passion into submission. It is probably the grounding of living in York and Lancaster.

Yeah, you get it. This is what a lot of us here that go at this regularly believe.
TGF record shows you this, it's undeniable what those 3 have in them. Adding another member or 2 in that collaborative yield results......real MUSIC. There you have your test of the hypothesis.

Anyone have the Awake DVD interview or really listen to it? Lots of substance there in that 30 minute take with Ed. Unhappy it wasn't the whole band, but we got a good picture of the band start, but I see some inconsistancies...the Overcome song / 911 thing.....big time bad there.

I do see the story told from his place in time then. You can see Ed's take on what the band moved / shifted into and what he preferred as one voice. At this point, I kind of heard in my head that the band was over as a creative collaborative. Those may argue with me that I am all wet.......I think not. What came next? Anyone?

Again, stop at this point, add the next record, then do the math on the 2 separate Live hiatus projects.