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[Bremang]

How so? How did EK show respect to Live, by completely marginalizing them? How is he in touch with what Live was all about. He says the spirit of Live continues in the form of his current band. Really? Sounds out of touch to me. Do Bono and EV not respect the platform they have in their bands? They certainly use their status to forward many of their personal agendas.

You say Ed can't tell the difference between what hes doing now and early in his career.

The whole idea of respect doesn't revolve around your option of the music.

[themaestro]

CCP only cut ties after the lead singer bonus and the hidden contracts....money issues were the real tipping point. Who knows if the music on its own would have ever made CCP split the band.

Not entirely true. The music had become just as much of an issue, particularly Forever. If that is what would have been the continued direction they'd still be on hiatus or going forward with another singer. Plus EK's refusal to work with them was all about him wanting full control anyway. As soon as they wised up and said enough they were bound to go their separate ways. They can always work the money details out through lawyers and business managers. They can't work out creative differences if EK refuses to work with them.

[themaestro]

You say Ed can't tell the difference between what hes doing now and early in his career.

The whole idea of respect doesn't revolve around your option of the music.

Where did I say it did? It is respectful to marginalize your bandmates? It is respectful to turn a band into your solo project? No. I don't care what it sounds like. You have no respect for your band and its legacy if you do shit like that. Ed himself says Alive rocks like TC. Roll your eyes at him, unless you think it does rock like TC.

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[Bremang]

Where did I say it did? It is respectful to marginalize your bandmates? It is respectful to turn a band into your solo project? No. I don't care what it sounds like. You have no respect for your band and its legacy if you do shit like that. Ed himself says Alive rocks like TC. Roll your eyes at him, unless you think it does rock like TC.

You based the idea that the legacy is tarnished on your own belief in the music.

Ed told CCP that he wanted to write the songs in 2005, and CCP chose to stay with the band. The guy has a right to pursue what he wants, nothing disrespectful about how bluntly he confronted the band, or that he chose to change directions.

Why are you using promo talk as an argument for truthfullness? That is always bullshit from any member of Live.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jan 18 2012, 6:10 pm

[Bremang]

Not entirely true. The music had become just as much of an issue, particularly Forever. If that is what would have been the continued direction they'd still be on hiatus or going forward with another singer. Plus EK's refusal to work with them was all about him wanting full control anyway. As soon as they wised up and said enough they were bound to go their separate ways. They can always work the money details out through lawyers and business managers. They can't work out creative differences if EK refuses to work with them.

You are being entirely presumptuous. There is absolutely no saying that they'd still be on hiatus.

Your argument about Ed being in control alone does not contribute to your argument that Ed was being disrespectful to the bands legacy or to his bandmates.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jan 18 2012, 6:16 pm

[Bremang]

That's a true story. Ed was excess....still is probably. Why do you think he demanded 70% and lives in multimillion dollar houses in California? His ego!!!!!

Yeah, surely the reason he bought an expensive house was to boost his ego.

It couldn't have been for the comfort or beauty or any other reason someone buys an awesome house.

the guy was a celebrity rock star and had dough, and bought nice shit. you're a hater

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[OutToDry]

You're all wet behind the ears lawyer boy. The other 3 aren't living that way. And don't tell me BS....either!!!! Ego made someone want to be a superstar......some others stood grounded.

[Bremang]

You're all wet behind the ears lawyer boy. The other 3 aren't living that way. And don't tell me BS....either!!!! Ego made someone want to be a superstar......some others stood grounded.

Even if CCP decide to live frugally, the comparison does not mean ed has a ego for buying a house or asking for 70%. I'm sure you can up with a decent argument for Ed's ego if you try. Til then you sound like a pathetic hater.

[themaestro]

You based the idea that the legacy is tarnished on your own belief in the music.

Ed told CCP that he wanted to write the songs in 2005, and CCP chose to stay with the band. The guy has a right to pursue what he wants, nothing disrespectful about how bluntly he confronted the band, or that he chose to change directions.

Why are you using promo talk as an argument for truthfullness? That is always bullshit from any member of Live.

No, I said he showed no respect to Live based on how he acted within a band format. Dude has been all about him for quite a while. Has nothing to do with the music, although the music did suffer the more he made it about him. Hmm... interesting how that as he took over more the music suffered. Anyway, setting that aside, I'm sure anyone with any pride would feel disrespected to have their parts written for them. You're right in that CCP didn't have to go along with it. Wouldn't have erased the disrespect. In fact, it would have made it worse to just quit altogether and not make music. But they finally said enough is enough. Good for them for picking up the pieces and trying to move forward.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Jan 18 2012, 7:34 pm

[OutToDry]

Even if CCP decide to live frugally, the comparison does not mean ed has a ego for buying a house or asking for 70%. I'm sure you can up with a decent argument for Ed's ego if you try. Til then you sound like a pathetic hater.

I think you fail to see the hidden meanings here. Many complaints lodged from faithful Live fans stems arounds Ed's ever expanding ego........I don't think you have a case here. His withdrawal from band personal, friendships from early age.......are a result in this ugly little word. No disrespect to what he was able to do for a long time, but when the ship sailed he set it afire.



Stop calling me hater attorney 100,000,000,000,000,000 in training....just giving a little realism by the common man.

[themaestro]

I think you fail to see the hidden meanings here. Many complaints lodged from faithful Live fans stems arounds Ed's ever expanding ego........I don't think you have a case here. His withdrawal from band personal, friendships from early age.......are a result in this ugly little word. No disrespect to what he was able to do for a long time, but when the ship sailed he set it afire.



Stop calling me hater attorney 100,000,000,000,000,000 in training....just giving a little realism by the common man.

You know, all this talk about Ed, Live, his ego, the band dynamic, made me think about CT's blog explaining his state of mind during the BOP tour. The dude was practically suicidal, distraught over the state of his band and his lack of participation creatively. To say that it was perfectly fine for Ed to direct the band the way he did or that CCP chose their bed is just ridiculous.

[OutToDry]

they weren't just band mates, they were childhood friends...they did things like family, they allowed Ed his space to push himself forward, I think that was a sacrafice to keep things status quo....we know things were not. Tell me most people were not quietly wondering why everything was sliding away from the band dynamic strength? I wondered for years....I openly decided to stop attending shows and expecting them to return to their roots (due to the direction and musical shite).....I never stopped listening to the magic of the first 4 records and countless roio's.

The story to now is not something that they wished happened, but it did. Time to correct it for the sake of the music. If they recapture some of it, I think that's a win for them and the fans.

[dangum]

You know, all this talk about Ed, Live, his ego, the band dynamic, made me think about CT's blog explaining his state of mind during the BOP tour. The dude was practically suicidal, distraught over the state of his band and his lack of participation creatively.

Are you referring to the incident in New Zealand? That happened on the V tour.

[OutToDry]

there was the incident in England....i thought that's what it was about. I need to go back and read

[themaestro]

they weren't just band mates, they were childhood friends...they did things like family, they allowed Ed his space to push himself forward, I think that was a sacrafice to keep things status quo....we know things were not. Tell me most people were not quietly wondering why everything was sliding away from the band dynamic strength? I wondered for years....I openly decided to stop attending shows and expecting them to return to their roots (due to the direction and musical shite).....I never stopped listening to the magic of the first 4 records and countless roio's.

The story to now is not something that they wished happened, but it did. Time to correct it for the sake of the music. If they recapture some of it, I think that's a win for them and the fans.

The alternative, quitting or breaking up earlier wouldn't have been much better. CT has said that after Live broke up he really didn't think he'd be making music anymore. They had to drag him out to start jamming what would become TGF. Imagine having that passion and just voluntarily leaving it. I think they rode it as far as they could with Ed until the wheels completely fell off. I also think they have diversified their lives so Live is not the only thing that brings them artistic and professional fulfillment. TGF was an incredible outlet for them creatively and their business ventures have got to provide a great deal of fulfillment as well. Like you said, if they can capture some of the magic that made Live so special, then it's a win.