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[SJN1279]

I disagree. The "majority of fans" won't expect to see Ed. Fan is short for fanatic. Green Bay fans don't show up to a game and say "I thought Brent Faver was the QB for the Packers?". Someone who doesn't know anything about the Packers says that. Someone who isn't a fan.

If they don't care enough to follow the band and to know what happened then they don't care enough to know who Ed is and/or they won't care that there is a different lead singer.

The only people that will be surprised by Ed not being there are ones that liked Lightning Crashes and remember a bald guy that looks like Andre Agassi from the I Alone video. I doubt they will care that much either.

Will there be a few stragglers that are confused? Maybe. There were probably some that were confused when Perry wasn't singing for Journey but halfway through Faithfully it didn't matter.

Then tell me why many bands change drummers and guitarists on a regular basis, but rarely touch the lead singer?

[zmanpga]

I do believe in understanding all this, there is no more "lead singer", so they have no choice but to find a "lead singer"

[Hoodstock]

New LIVE will fail because the majority of fans who would like to attend a LIVE concert, will expect to see Ed fronting the band. Mostbands go through multiple lineup changes during the course of their careers, but very few go through lead singer changes. There is a reason for that.

LIVE was a profitable and successful touring act throughout their entire run. I saw them play 45 times from 2000-2009, and they almost always filled whatever venue they played in. Not many bands can say that. The albums may not have been successful in the 2000's, but touring was always strong for LIVE.

Unless the new singer brings LIVE back to Throwing Copper levels of success(not happening), the door for an Ed return will always be cracked open.

Nick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think? You are the huge fan of Ed and hater of the new Live.

Is it Ed or not? Do you like this clip or not? Put it on the line now!

[mattyeagles]

I disagree. The "majority of fans" won't expect to see Ed. Fan is short for fanatic. Green Bay fans don't show up to a game and say "I thought Brent Faver was the QB for the Packers?". Someone who doesn't know anything about the Packers says that. Someone who isn't a fan.

If they don't care enough to follow the band and to know what happened then they don't care enough to know who Ed is and/or they won't care that there is a different lead singer.

The only people that will be surprised by Ed not being there are ones that liked Lightning Crashes and remember a bald guy that looks like Andre Agassi from the I Alone video. I doubt they will care that much either.

Will there be a few stragglers that are confused? Maybe. There were probably some that were confused when Perry wasn't singing for Journey but halfway through Faithfully it didn't matter.

i could not disagree more...music fans who go to live concert know who ed is...they have no clue who chad, chad, and pat are and i have witnessed this when i bring my friends to live concerts...i am NOT saying that they are integral parts of the band, because they are...all i am saying is that, while most people dont know ed's name (mostly because kowlczyk is such a hard name to pronounce/spell), they do know what the lead singer of live looks like and will be pleasantly unsuprised when they find out that he is not the lead singer anymore

This post has been edited by mattyeagles: Nov 16 2011, 4:12 pm

[Arizona_Skies]

SP - Zeitgeist and Teargarden blow ass.

3EB - URSA Major blows ass.

New Bush - a couple good songs on the album.

TGF Good - New Live, good chance of being good. Appeal to the youth? Hard to say.

SP - Only Zeitgeist and Teargarden? Everything after Mellon Collie blows ass.

3EB - Agreed, URSA sucks. They need their original guitarist Kevin Cadogan. That guy's a genius.

Bush - Much better than I expected. A strong album.

My point was more about the idea that these bands are still out there hustling. New music, sold-out tours, etc... And the younger generation, the ones who buy at least 75% of concert tickets, don't really know LIVE. It's a damn shame.

Now, what do we get from LIVE? Gimmicks and blurry facebook posts. Who cares about the new singer, IF there is a new singer? He ain't gonna replace Ed, so LIVE better have something brilliant up their sleeves.

This post has been edited by Arizona_Skies: Nov 16 2011, 4:26 pm

[SJN1279]

Nick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you think? You are the huge fan of Ed and hater of the new Live.

Is it Ed or not? Do you like this clip or not? Put it on the line now!

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[themaestro]

Most people can't even tell if it's Ed or not. So if it is Ed, it's cool but if not then it's just some lame impersonator or karaoke singer? Doesn't even make sense. You either like it or you don't. I'm not 100% sure who is singing either but I'm not going to hear it any differently when I find out. The band sounds kick ass and the vocals are good. I'd like to hear more.

[OutToDry]

Answer the fucking question !!!!!

[mattyeagles]

Most people can't even tell if it's Ed or not. So if it is Ed, it's cool but if not then it's just some lame impersonator or karaoke singer? Doesn't even make sense. You either like it or you don't. I'm not 100% sure who is singing either but I'm not going to hear it any differently when I find out. The band sounds kick ass and the vocals are good. I'd like to hear more.

I love when other people perform live songs but i dont get the same feeling and its obviously not the same when its not the person who i associate writing and originally performing the song...i think thats reasonable

[SJN1279]

Answer the fucking question !!!!!

I did. If their goal with new LIVE is to imitate Ed's voice on a studio track, they did an okay job of it. However, I personally believe that trying to fool fans with an Ed knockoff isn't going to work in the short or long term.

[themaestro]

I love when other people perform live songs but i dont get the same feeling and its obviously not the same when its not the person who i associate writing and originally performing the song...i think thats reasonable

So you honestly get a different feeling from this clip? What if it's Ed? You get a different feeling? If it's not, the feeling is different? What if it's some cruel joke and it really is Ed. Ha ha. I think the responses here pretty much show the limitatons of the human brain. Sometimes it helps to get out of your own way and just experience things.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 16 2011, 4:40 pm

[Arizona_Skies]

New LIVE will fail because the majority of fans who would like to attend a LIVE concert, will expect to see Ed fronting the band. Mostbands go through multiple lineup changes during the course of their careers, but very few go through lead singer changes. There is a reason for that.

LIVE was a profitable and successful touring act throughout their entire run. I saw them play 45 times from 2000-2009, and they almost always filled whatever venue they played in. Not many bands can say that. The albums may not have been successful in the 2000's, but touring was always strong for LIVE.

Unless the new singer brings LIVE back to Throwing Copper levels of success(not happening), the door for an Ed return will always be cracked open.

This is 100% correct. Great post nick. Let's clear a few things up: to the casual fan, the ONLY member of Live they know is Ed. How can everyone overlook that? CCP needs Ed. Ed needs CCP.

The door to Ed will ALWAYS be open. It has to be. They were a more successful band with him. The person who posted that CCP had many unsuccessful years with Ed is completely wrong. They made a lot of money in the last decade touring with Ed. If CCP didn't care about financial success, they why are they still using the name Live? This board seem to buy everything CCP is selling, it's crazy.

This post has been edited by Arizona_Skies: Nov 16 2011, 5:25 pm

[mattyeagles]

This is 100% correct. Great post nick. Let's clear a few things up: to the casual fan, the ONLY member of Live they know is Ed. How can everyone overlook that? CCP needs Ed. Ed needs CCP. "New" Live will go the way of New Coke (probably).

The door to Ed will ALWAYS be open. It has to be. They were a more successful band with him. The person who posted that they had many unsuccessful years with Ed is completely wrong. They made a lot of money in the last decade touring with Ed. If CCP didn't care about financial and critical success, they why are they still using the name Live? This board seem to buy everything CCP is selling, it's crazy.

agreed--CCP post a picture of enthusaistic fans from ~20 years ago, with a song that was writtin ~17 years ago, and a "new singer" who sounds enough like ed that some people even think it is ed, and you think that is progress?? for all the ed bashing and saying that he is living off the live legacy, ccp are doing the same exact thing and it seems like the vast majority are too scared to admit this because saying anything against ccp is prohibited on this board...i hope the new live album rocks, i loved the gracious few album and would hope this new album is on par with it, but i will not be on a gracious few message board in 20 years the way i still visit this board because it didnt move me the same way live did 1991-1999, largely because of ed

[PillarOfDavidson]

I would like to take this off topic for a minute and say something.

I heard Cris Cornell on Howard Stern this morning and he talked about what the song Imagine by John Lennon meant to him. Imagine no religions. Imagine no countries. It is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. And the point of the lyrics is to imagine what it would be like if we did not have any of the constructs that divide us and we could all just live as one.

Ed sings that song in concert. Ed wrote the lyrics to Mental Jewelry and Throwing Copper. This is the thing that kills me about Ed of 2011. The thing that I just can never get over. And I thought of it this morning when I listened to the Chris Cornell interview. Ed is now a bible thumping religous zealot. Regardless of the virtues of Christianity, the identification with that religion, or any religion, is one o fthe primary things that divides us. And division leads to seperation. Seperation leads to judgment, and hatred and misunderstanding.

I gotta interject my opinion here. I get what you're saying about division and separation... but the very essence of truth is a dividing thing. You can't have true freedom without dividing truth from lies. You have to have division. You have to have separation. You have to have judgement. How else could you know truth? Those things do not lead de facto to hatred and misunderstanding. Not if truth is given in love. Not if division and separation are healthy things. Not if judgement is righteous instead of self-righteous.

I don't know why Ed is now espousing Christianity. Maybe he's feeling guilty over having shafted CCP and is now just trying to assuage himself by wearing the Christian mask, thinking it will justify him. If Ed truly was following Christ and Christ truly dwelt inside him he should have an overwhelming and strong desire to make things right with CCP, to restore their friendships through reconciliation. Maybe he does have that desire and is either ignoring it or burying it. If that's the case it's just going to eat him up inside.

I don't say this to get into a big theological or philosophical debate. You're entitled to your beliefs and opinions. But I'm just getting a little worn on the whole "Ed is a douche now because he's a Christian" thing. Maybe Ed became a Christian because he's a douche? If that's the case then that's probably a good thing for him. But who knows?

/my2cents

[World Dreamer]

Bashing CCP does happen. In fact, it has been pretty rampant recently regarding their failure to deliver on things they said they would do. The last few weeks there has been more criticism towards CCP than Ed.

This is turning into the Twilight Zone. It is like no one noticed that Ed wants nothing to do with Live (except sing their songs and use the name) after he 1) became a hip swiveling diva and 2) felt entitled to more money than his friends and ultimately stabbed them in the back. Note I said friends. Not band members. This is Live. This isn't some band thrown together by a record company with a lead guitarist that looks cool and a drummer with cool hair. These are the boys from York. They aren't "other bands".

Now everyone is pissy because of a possible new lead singer that isn't Ed. Guess what? Ed isn't Ed either. At least not the Ed from TC era, so either way, we aren't getting Ed back unless Ed decides to take off his skirt and pick up an electric guitar. But it doesn't look like that is going to happen. So CCP, the majority of Live, are trying to carry on.

Are CCP using the name of Live to make money and gain name recognition? Probably. Even if they weren't they will get it anyway. They own the name of Live. They can do that.

And the door to Ed was open until Ed shut it. Remember that.

This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Nov 16 2011, 5:43 pm