How is "New Live" going to differ from TGF? Options

[mfitz804]

I mean really. Its CCP with a different singer, throw an extra guitar player in there too. New Live is going to be CCP and a new singer. Is it just going to be the fact that the new singer is going to sing old songs?

Can I be expected to believe that CCP's music with New Live will somehow differ from CCP's music in TGF?

What's the difference going to be, really?

I suppose only time will tell.

[tiger]

I mean really. Its CCP with a different singer, throw an extra guitar player in there too. New Live is going to be CCP and a new singer. Is it just going to be the fact that the new singer is going to sing old songs?

Can I be expected to believe that CCP's music with New Live will somehow differ from CCP's music in TGF?

What's the difference going to be, really?

I suppose only time will tell.

New Live is to TGF as old Live is to TGF, which is to say they are nothing alike. TGF is a totally different animal. I don't even get the question. I mean, old Live is also C,C,P with a different singer vs. TGF, so shouldn't it sound just like TGF but with a different singer? No. The analogy fails because TGF is old school rock music. So unless Live is all of the sudden going to be an old school rock band, it will be nothing like TGF.

[FishOutaWater]

I mean really. Its CCP with a different singer, throw an extra guitar player in there too. New Live is going to be CCP and a new singer. Is it just going to be the fact that the new singer is going to sing old songs?

Can I be expected to believe that CCP's music with New Live will somehow differ from CCP's music in TGF?

What's the difference going to be, really?

I suppose only time will tell.

I'm not a musician, so I probably don't fully appreciate the subtle differences between genres and the sound of Live verses the sound of TGF, but I think CT described it well when he recently wrote that he and Chad and Patrick started listening to the old LIve material and they rediscovered it again for the first time and began to miss the sound of Live, as opposed to the sound of TGF that they had been working with for a while. Apparently, they are writing new music in the spirit and sound of classic Live. I can tell the difference between that and TGF. So that's how I think it will be different. I also think that both in music and lyrics, CCP are going to focus universal spirituality and those themes in context of Live. Don't forget that Chad Taylor's spiritual insightfullness can easily rival (and perhaps exceed) Ed's. If you read any of Chad's tour diary entries over the last decade, he demonstrated some profound spirituality that Ed has projected since Mental Jewelry.

[PillarOfDavidson]

First off, having a different singer can make a HUGE difference in how the songs are going to project and how they'll come across. I know this from personal experience.

Secondly, can you sit there with a straight face and say that there aren't any differences between TGF's album and Secret Samadhi or between TGF's album and Throwing Copper?

TGF is somewhat of a throwback band. "New Live" is apparently going to be a continuation from where "Old Live" left off before it got sidetracked and lost down the other side of a black mountain somewhere.

This post has been edited by MrSheptical: Sep 26 2011, 1:02 pm

[mfitz804]

New Live is to TGF as old Live is to TGF, which is to say they are nothing alike. TGF is a totally different animal. I don't even get the question. I mean, old Live is also C,C,P with a different singer vs. TGF, so shouldn't it sound just like TGF but with a different singer? No. The analogy fails because TGF is old school rock music. So unless Live is all of the sudden going to be an old school rock band, it will be nothing like TGF.

Maybe I didn't explain myself. Assume that CCP are writing the music they want to write with TGF. Their beef with old Live was lack of creative input. We can assume that New Live would be music they want to write. Are you trying to say that they would write one genre of music for New Live, and a different one ("pld school rock") for TGF?

I'm not saying they would sound identical.

This post has been edited by mfitz804: Sep 27 2011, 10:01 am

[mfitz804]

First off, having a different singer can make a HUGE difference in how the songs are going to project and how they'll come across. I know this from personal experience.

Secondly, can you sit there with a straight face and say that there aren't any differences between TGF's album and Secret Samadhi or between TGF's album and Throwing Copper?

TGF is somewhat of a throwback band. "New Live" is apparently going to be a continuation from where "Old Live" left off before it got sidetracked and lost down the other side of a black mountain somewhere.

Again, not saying that Live and TGF are not different. But you are also talking music they wrote 10-15 years ago vs. music they are writing today, there isn't really a comparison.

My curiosity is how the music of TGF and the music of New Live, both written in the present, will differ.

This post has been edited by mfitz804: Sep 27 2011, 10:01 am

[tiger]

. Are you trying to say that they would write one genre of music for New Live, and a different one ("pld school rock") for TGP?

Pes.

[Hoodstock]

I mean really. Its CCP with a different singer, throw an extra guitar player in there too. New Live is going to be CCP and a new singer. Is it just going to be the fact that the new singer is going to sing old songs?

Can I be expected to believe that CCP's music with New Live will somehow differ from CCP's music in TGF?

What's the difference going to be, really?

I suppose only time will tell.

With TGF they wanted a totally different vibe. They experimented with Delta Blue's and sounds they never tried with Live.

Live has a distinct style and in one of his posts Taylor talked about how they went back and learned how to play all the old Live songs to recapture that sound.

Based on what's been said I think the Live album will be different and will sound more like the old Live (SS, TC) rather than the newer Live. If you're looking for another TDTH, BOP, V, or SFBM - then no it won't be what you're looking for and will sound closer to TGF.

[Hoodstock]

Maybe I didn't explain myself. Assume that CCP are writing the music they want to write with TGP. Their beef with old Live was lack of creative input. We can assume that New Live would be music they want to write. Are you trying to say that they would write one genre of music for New Live, and a different one ("pld school rock") for TGP?

I'm not saying they would sound identical.

BTW -- what the hell is TGP? You have it 3 seprate times in 2 different posts.

[Pokey]

Yeah they went for a specific style with TGF. They could take new Live anywhere. We're not going to know until we hear anything so anyone asking what the point is has a mute point. Let the music speak for itself and judge from there.
How is what Ed doing now any different from what he was doing with Live. He's getting to do things "his way" now, but it's the same as the last 10yrs. In most cases the exact same songs. Hes the one actually saying things are different.

If you ask why bother doing it, then why not ask why any musician do more than one band? There will be enough differences from TGF. Plus Id hope they're on a mission to restore a bit of musical credibility to the name Live.

[Wambangalang]

i assume and would hope there would be as much difference as that between MJ, TC and SS.

its gonna rock either way

[Hoodstock]

If you ask why bother doing it, then why not ask why any musician do more than one band?

I listen to both Ed and TGF. As a Live fan I'd still love to see an interviewer point out how Ed's still playing tons of Live songs in concert (by a huge percentage), give him the numbers and percents at his concerts (for people like Nick who need concrete proof), and ask to hear Ed's reasoning for going solo to pursue a different direction and what that direction actually is.

I still don't buy his reasoning.

[Hoodstock]

i assume and would hope there would be as much difference as that between MJ, TC and SS.

its gonna rock either way

I think the haters of the new era of Live believe everyone will love it blindly and unconditionally.

I'm really looking forward to it. I'll give it a try. If it rocks I'll let ya'll know. If it sucks I'll do the same.

I'm anticipating the return. I don't think anybody has an idea of what the outcome will be (except for Nick - who knows it will suck just as hard as TGF did )

[Pokey]

Good point, between the first 4 albums the thing that probably changed the least was the sound of the voice. The lyrics had different themes and messages which we're sure to get with a new singer. The music was sonically ist so different on each of those albums. How could anyone say the an instrumental version of MJ sounds the same as TDTH? so new Live will give us something musically very different from TGF I'm sure.
People might just have short memories and the fact everything Ed does is the same shit over and over that you've forgotten musicians with creativity flowing are able to completely change their sound. I got full faith there will be plenty differences between New Live and TGF beyond a different sounding voice. Again thinking it'll just be the same is really a slap in the face to the abilities of CCP.

[Bremang]

I'm hoping it's not Shinn. I like that Radiohead cover just fine and he's alright, but does he really have what it takes to be a part of Live?