Out to Lunch, I came to get news and I find my band left me Options

[Bremang]

It's most likely just coincidence that OTD appeared in 2009 hating on Ed and singling out CCP as the force in Live immediately before the breakup, before TGF existed or Live-without-Ed was even a concept in the community....and I was actually suspicious of how much he would bolster anyone else's praise for ccp or hate for Ed, thinking it was fitting that OTD might actually know or work for Chad, but its probably just coincidence that he ended up being in communication with CCP.

[OutToDry]

It's most likely just coincidence that OTD appeared in 2009 hating on Ed and singling out CCP as the force in Live immediately before the breakup, before TGF existed or Live-without-Ed was even a concept in the community....and I was actually suspicious of how much he would bolster anyone else's praise for ccp or hate for Ed, thinking it was fitting that OTD might actually know or work for Chad, but its probably just coincidence that he ended up being in communication with CCP.

your conspiracy theory is all wet, like water. Seriiously get bent dude, you gonna start more theory bullshit? I am one of the bigger live fans out there, true to the music as it was meant to be...Live is bigger than just one member. Ed lost my faith a long time ago.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Sep 24 2011, 9:52 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Before you go on like a 9 hour hiatus - just admit that you have been working with Chad before you conveniently appeared in 2009, hating on Ed and elevating C. C. and P by name all before Live even took a break and all hell broke loose, planting seeds for your boss. At least then you wouldn't have to be so nifty about how you suddenly have so much insider info.

Hilariously untrue.

Also, if you think OTD was the only one hating on Ed before the break-up you are crazy.

[+Ed+]

Shiiiiiiiit... OTD is the new vocalist... I got it!

[Pokey]

Hilariously untrue.

Also, if you think OTD was the only one hating on Ed before the break-up you are crazy.

That's it isn't it, everyone here just loved Ed and everything he did and SFBM was amazing and then Chad sent evil old OTD over to stir the pot and then everyone started hating on Ed! This is EXACTLY how it went down

Seriously, this is one of the stupidest things I have heard on the board since Nick tried to state that CCP were "copying Ed" by asking people to suggest them as friends on facebook.

OTD is a massively huge Live fan and like a lot of us didn't like the way Ed was taking the band, he loved what Live was and when it became evident that CCP also loved was Live was an wanted to bring that back, well they started gaining a lot more love around here than Ed was, even before the break up. Since then with the effort he's put in to promoting, how close he lives to some of them, and just by simply involving himself in the Live and TGF community he's been able to make friends with the lads. You might be shocked at this but CCP are actual people and they are capable of making friends with people even if those people happen to be fans. And that's what OTD is, cut the conspiracy theory crap.

[Bremang]

Hilariously untrue.

Also, if you think OTD was the only one hating on Ed before the break-up you are crazy.

I hated on Ed in 1997 when I thought at first that SS wasn't as good as TC, and then TDTH not as good as SS, and so on. Hating on Ed in general has been going on since the 90's. Not the point.

Show me a single post pre-breakup on any message board where someone else other than OTD were repeatedly promoting CCP specifically while simultaneously hating on Ed. The guy must be the oracle.

[SJN1279]

Show me a single post pre-breakup on any message board where someone else other than OTD were repeatedly promoting CCP specifically while simultaneously hating on Ed. The guy must be the oracle.

Was OTD a member of Fansoflive, illout, or SOY under another name prior to October 2009?

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Sep 18 2011, 1:33 pm

[Bremang]

your conspiracy theory is all wet, like water. Seriiously get bent dude, you gonna start more theory bullshit? I am one of the bigger live fans out there, true to the music as it was meant to be...Live is bigger than just one member. Ed lost my faith a long time ago.

You seemed to be the only one who had a clue about CCP's lack of involvement in the music prior to Chad spilling the beans in his blog. Its amazing. How did you manage to make it until 2009 without obsessively posting these opinions? Didn't you know Live message boards were around for a while?

[Bremang]

when it became evident that CCP also loved was Live was an wanted to bring that back, well they started gaining a lot more love around here than Ed was, even before the break up.

show me when it became evident prior to the breakup that CCP wanted to bring things back to old Live....honestly i don't remember them suggesting it at all. I remember Chad promoted SFBM saying it was a pop album for the band, no sign of opposition.

[Pokey]

I hated on Ed in 1997 when I thought at first that SS wasn't as good as TC, and then TDTH not as good as SS, and so on. Hating on Ed in general has been going on since the 90's. Not the point.

Show me a single post pre-breakup on any message board where someone else other than OTD were repeatedly promoting CCP specifically while simultaneously hating on Ed. The guy must be the oracle.

To be honest I can't remember him doing that either, why don't you show us the posts? Before the break up a lot of people were identifying Ed as the problem which in turn was putting CCP into a more positive light. How exactly could you "promote" them specifically when Live hadn't broken up, if you were promoting them you were by proxy promoting Ed too because they were all in the same band. Assuming if by promoting you mean spruiking, getting the word out and pushing them to new fans. If you mean promoting as in supporting them but denouncing Ed, a lot of us were doing that.
Personally CCP's biggest crime in the latter Live days was letting themselves get walked over for the sake of preserving a friendship.
I'm pretty sure it was common knowledge amongst people here that the bass being completely lost in the mix of SFBM, CG being boxed in at concerts behind glass and drumming in a much more simple way compared to earlier work was not exactly the guys being allowed to work at maximum power, not getting to be as creative and forceful and prominent in the music as they once were. Where as Ed was still shining bright front and center and was producing the sort of stuff he wanted to and it was rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
I think CCP always had a bit of sympathy on here ... when SFBM was released, yeah everything on it got a bit of a canning not just the vocals/lyrics. But unlike everything else, the vocals and lyrics were being done the way the singer/song writer wanted them done. Where as the rest was not being done the way the other musicians would have liked.
After being a Live fan for so long you just ... knew that.
So Bob was not alone in coming in and supporting 3/4 of the band over the other 1/4, he was quite vocal about it from the start, but he recognised what the deal was.

You conspiracy theorists are just way to crazy. Stop looking for things that aren't there.

[Pokey]

show me when it became evident prior to the breakup that CCP wanted to bring things back to old Live....honestly i don't remember them suggesting it at all. I remember Chad promoted SFBM saying it was a pop album for the band, no sign of opposition.

I remember CT prior to the break up dropping hints that he wanted Don't Wait to make a return from the dead. If Don't Wait was on SFBM it would have stuck out like dogs balls (but, in a good way).

Of course CT was going to put on a positive spin for the album. It wouldn't exactly help things if Ed was saying it was their best ever album and CT was saying it was their worst. He was doing what he thought was best to save a friendship, save the band and not rock the boat. As I've said, CCP's biggest crime was letting themselves be walked over and eventually they had enough. But when CT began talking about the tension around the time of SFBM and his and CG's feelings towards it post break up, it was just making so much sense and it was reaffirming what a lot of people suspected the case to be all along. But holding CT to things he said about SFBM being great to promote it are shit. I don't even believe Ed really thought it was the best album they ever did (which he also stated back then), hence he's basically dropped everything from it from his set lists.

[Bremang]

How exactly could you "promote" them specifically when Live hadn't broken up, if you were promoting them you were by proxy promoting Ed too because they were all in the same band.

Assuming if by promoting you mean spruiking, getting the word out and pushing them to new fans.

If you mean promoting as in supporting them but denouncing Ed, a lot of us were doing that.

Personally CCP's biggest crime in the latter Live days was letting themselves get walked over for the sake of preserving a friendship.
I'm pretty sure it was common knowledge amongst people here that the bass being completely lost in the mix of SFBM, CG being boxed in at concerts behind glass and drumming in a much more simple way compared to earlier work was not exactly the guys being allowed to work at maximum power, not getting to be as creative and forceful and prominent in the music as they once were. Where as Ed was still shining bright front and center and was producing the sort of stuff he wanted to and it was rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.

I think CCP always had a bit of sympathy on here ... when SFBM was released, yeah everything on it got a bit of a canning not just the vocals/lyrics. But unlike everything else, the vocals and lyrics were being done the way the singer/song writer wanted them done. Where as the rest was not being done the way the other musicians would have liked.
After being a Live fan for so long you just ... knew that.
So Bob was not alone in coming in and supporting 3/4 of the band over the other 1/4, he was quite vocal about it from the start, but he recognised what the deal was.

You conspiracy theorists are just way to crazy. Stop looking for things that aren't there.

I'm not conspiring. the first post was in jest.

Nobody is disputing that OTD was taking a ccp vs. ed stance from the get go. I was around. You don't remember - look it up yourself.

Promoting might not be the best word for it, he was the only one brightening the line between ccp and ed. Just cause you didn't like Ed, doesn't mean you were making the case that OTD was making.

CCP's intentions for the music were not disclosed prior to Chad's blogging, Chads glass or sfbm sucking don't indicate that CCP weren't on board. Show me any post other than OTD's that suggests otherwise.

[Bremang]

But when CT began talking about the tension around the time of SFBM and his and CG's feelings towards it post break up, it was just making so much sense and it was reaffirming what a lot of people suspected the case to be all along.

ok man....go ahead and show me any pre-breakup post describing tension in the band and making a case for ccp v. Ed.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

You seemed to be the only one who had a clue about CCP's lack of involvement in the music prior to Chad spilling the beans in his blog. Its amazing. How did you manage to make it until 2009 without obsessively posting these opinions? Didn't you know Live message boards were around for a while?

Not true, there was a lot of speculation going back to the BoP days when the other guys were only involved with Like I Do and Lighthouse. That goes back to the Illout days.

[OutToDry]

Hey all:

I've been reading this board for a lot of years, perhaps not in the past year. Real life happens daily and I have been out of touch since the winter. I've seen all the shows, enjoyed the music, and taken the ride down the slippery slope with Live. I was really dedicated and excited with this band once upon a time....2000 Englewood CO show that lasted 40 min in a snowstorm was pretty dedicated!!

Seeing the FOL message angered me but, I am far from surprised as I predicted to myself that the day will happen

If the band sees/reads here..................Old skool fan here. My age has gone past 40 bells and if a hiatus is needed to get these 4 back to the beginning of the circle again, so be it.

I for one will follow Edko, CT, PD & GC and the new stuff to reconfirm why I started listening and following the band since the early 90's

I want to hear the edgy hard driving sound of +Live+ again someday.

I am sure I will perhaps hear Ed do something hard driving again, after he gets his fill with acoustical bliss.

Lets face it, since V, the really fringe fans of Live went away for good......the change to AC and the soft faced falsetto made them leave in droves. I accepted the new Live with a lot of hope. Good stuff in there on Birds I have to admit..........but the Live that riveted me with the chords was waning.

I hope to see them again as the 4.

Best of luck to the guys in their current endeavors!!!

OutToDry

For the conspiracy theorists, eat some dung filled sandwiches. BUMP

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Sep 18 2011, 2:21 pm