Ed K Musikfest show, ticket fees Options

[SinfulEyes]

I don't think that is going to happen. When a band loses their lead singer, they typically take a hit with their attendance. The LIVE name may get people through the door initially, but a new lead singer will not be accepted by a great number of fans.

They lost the majority of their fans due to the lack of quality music after TDTH. If they can get back to their original form and come out with some good releases, I am sure they will gain more fans than they lost from not having Ed front them.

[SJN1279]

They lost the majority of their fans due to the lack of quality music after TDTH. If they can get back to their original form and come out with some good releases, I am sure they will gain more fans than they lost from not having Ed front them.

It is highly unlikely. People went to see LIVE in concert to see the whole band. Having a new singer covering LIVE's hits is not going to go over well with the majority of fans.

New albums by 90's artists are rarely a big deal. Especially since LIVE will likely self release their new album on their own label. Some hardcore fans may dig it, but it will not be for mass consumption.

[Pokey]

Oh well, screw them.. If people or you don't like it then go find something else to do with your time. I'm sure a lot of people will like it too...god knows how many times I heard "Live would be ok besides the lead singer being a wanker". And I heard that from people even dating back to the late 90s, Ed was either a real love him or hate him artist and to a lot of people he was the poor mans Bono. Personally I would rate Ed any day over Bono, but I'm in a vast minority. A new lead singer can also potentially reinvent the band and pick up a whole new generation of fans, we won't know until it's been heard. Some people who don't have the same attatchment that we do could find it a lot easier to swallow.
Personally I don't give a Flying fuck if the casual fan is disappointed if Ed isn't around, why cater to the casual, do what you want and if people like it they like it, if they don't they don't. If they and you don't like it then you got these good old Eddie K gigs and solo albums to fall back on and listen to and enjoy the nostalgia act. You don't need to worry about Live at all.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Aug 15 2011, 5:28 pm

[SJN1279]

A new lead singer can also potentially reinvent the band and pick up a whole new generation of fans, we won't know until it's been heard. Some people who don't have the same attatchment that we do could find it a lot easier to swallow.

A new generation of fans are likely looking for the next young, new band. They aren't going to follow a group of guys in their 40s who could technically be their fathers. Take a look at at Ed, TGF, or LIVE shows. You are likely going to see a crowd of 30+ year old fans.

[rock4adiference]

A new lead singer can also potentially reinvent the band and pick up a whole new generation of fans, we won't know until it's been heard. Some people who don't have the same attatchment that we do could find it a lot easier to swallow.

I don't think AC/DC has trouble selling out a show or Sammy Hagar when he played with Van Halen either. I saw Alice in Chains last year in NYC. They played 2 sold out shows at Terminal 5. That's 2 nights playing to 6,000 people. It has been done and done well!

There is no exact science to who can do it and who can't. But I totally agree a new singer could bring on a whole new audience. I wish them luck and hope they can make it happen!

[SJN1279]

I don't think AC/DC has trouble selling out a show or Sammy Hagar when he played with Van Halen either. I saw Alice in Chains last year in NYC. They played 2 sold out shows at Terminal 5. That's 2 nights playing to 6,000 people. It has been done and done well!

There is no exact science to who can do it and who can't. But I totally agree a new singer could bring on a whole new audience. I wish them luck and hope they can make it happen!

The original lead singers of AC/DC and Alice and Chains are deceased, and obviously not actively touring. It is a totally different scenario.

[OutToDry]

Yes and no. You can call Ed's refusal to rejoin the same scenario (as the deceased original singers). The fans want the music, the ones who know the muscial foundation is there.....let's see how the singing pans out knowing it might be good or bad w/o Ed. But, nonetheless there is a positive view that it will be more like Live's roots.

Then we have your type of ilk, those who are closed minded to the glass half full scenario. You are clutching to it failing so much that, ultimately that is what you're afraid of. But the Live scenario will be compared to the Talking Heds.

ALso, last I heard those bands mentioned by Rock4 have toured recently and do have upcoming tour dates:

http://www.pollstar.com/resultsArtist.aspx...&SearchBy=alice in chains

[OutToDry]

also, what happens if a younger generation embrace Live with a new singer and then rediscover the magic Ed had with C&C&P back in the heyday......creates a buzz and demand.....perhaps puts pressure on Ed to cave to what the fans want............or not.

[OutToDry]

I don't think that is going to happen. When a band loses their lead singer, they typically take a hit with their attendance. The LIVE name may get people through the door initially, but a new lead singer will not be accepted by a great number of fans.

Um, isn't that what Ed is doing? Using Live to get folks through the door? Same ole double standard........have to say it again because it's true.

[SJN1279]

Um, isn't that what Ed is doing? Using Live to get folks through the door? Same ole double standard........have to say it again because it's true.

Absolutely. Ed's solo shows are less of a draw than a LIVE show was. Just like a new version of LIVE is going to be a less of a draw than LIVE with Ed was.

[rock4adiference]

The original lead singers of AC/DC and Alice and Chains are deceased, and obviously not actively touring. It is a totally different scenario.

What does one thing have to do with the other? Former singer dead or alive, my point was directed to your post

When a band loses their lead singer, they typically take a hit with their attendance.

From the bands that I listed, none of them have taken a hit in their attendance levels.

Also AC/DC are legendary at this point, the kids know those songs and they have no idea that there was even a singer before Brian Johnson.

[SctSamadhi]

just fyi, I inquired about the total of tix sold because I knew someone would want to know and no one would believe Nick. I hope I have a solid enough reputation to tell the truth. I have no reason to lie.
anyway, the show.
As an overview I can say I was actually hoping to hear more from Alive, because when I saw the band together in December I wasn't overwhelmed with how they played the LIVE songs.
Whether it's a function of playing together for a much longer period of time, or Ramy not drumming, or all things combined, they (the backup band guys) did a very fine job covering the Live songs. Still covering... not the same as the actual Live musicians, but the songs were a bit different, and rather well done. So.
The setlist.
funny little intro
1. All Over You (followed by technical difficulties that led Ed to have a brief conversation with the crowd, during which he asked for a beer, and someone suggested Ed do an acoustic number while we all waited for the sound guy to get it right... sooo)
2. Turn My Head
3. The Great Beyond
4. The Distance (after which he finally got that beer from the audience)
5. Selling The Drama
6. Drink
7. Zion
8. The Dolphin's Cry
9. Stand
10. Heaven
11. Grace
12. White, Discussion
13. I Alone

encore
14. Just In Time
15. Beauty of Gray
16. Lakini's Juice
17. Lightning Crashes

so I was excited by the All Over You start. the technical difficulties made me pay attention to Ed's reaction, because I have seen him in past concerts get really pissed when things don't go well. He didn't seem pissed, he actually joked a bit, and like I said, asked for a beer. Then grabbed his guitar and played Turn My Head (which I didn't see printed on the setlist I could see but didn't grab). I was very excited about this because he got sooo deep compared to how I've seen him sing this song in the last few years. The Great Beyond was energetic and is very much fun live. The Distance was impressive because Ed gave us very little falsetto. I love TDTH but that's when the falsetto started, and I was happy that he spoke a few of the lyrics, and kept it to a normal range, rather than reaching for the falsetto. Selling The Drama was very nicely done. He gave a little intro to Drink, talking about how he wrote it with Chris Daughtry's help. Zion was awesome. I love Zion, it's my favorite off Alive. That song made the whole show worth the drive. The Dolphin's Cry had some impressive guitar work. I know no one will believe me unless someone puts up a video, it wasn't necessarily the most technical guitar work, but it was slightly different than I've ever heard it and there was a very nice dramatic pause and I was very happy to hear the song. Stand and Heaven were both full of Ed's energy. Heaven is not my favorite song, so I didn't need to hear it, but it was well done. Before Grace Ed spoke a little, but honestly, my phone rang and I answered it so I missed what he said. I know it was an intro to the song and I heard him say "that's God" but I don't know what he was saying.
I was surprised to hear white, discussion right after Grace. At the beginning Ed was smiling a little too much (like he did in that video of shit towne), but he quickly cut it out and got into the song properly. When he sang "but it leaves me quite erect" he added "sometimes" as kind of an afterthought, but he didn't laugh. I laughed. I'm not sure it was supposed to be funny. I didn't notice the crowd reaction, or even if they noticed.
During I Alone I was curious as to what he would sing/say during the bridge (since it's varied so much over the years) but he introduced the band. boring.
The time they took off stage was short, and when they came back, they played an intro to Just In Time that I didn't recognize but enjoyed. Beauty of Gray was a nice surprise. Maybe I was only surprised because I haven't looked at setlists lately. And he probably sings it at most shows when I think about it. But I wasn't thinking about it, so I was happily surprised.
I was a bit leary of Lakini's Juice when I heard it starting because I couldn't remember how well it had gone when the did it in September, but I wasn't disappointed. It was different. Not a carbon copy of what CC&P would do. Lightning Crashes was good as always, and as the song started to wind down, the fireworks outside the window started. It was perfect.

I was very satisfied. When I did pay attention to the crowd, they seemed to be enjoying themselves. I did not get a video because, as I said, my phone sucks. I did see several guys holding their phones up the whole time as if making videos, so hopefully someone will post vids soon. There was some of the Ed hip shake, but I never mind that (Ed's cute, after all). The lack of falsetto, and his energy on stage (jumping around and really screaming his head off into the mic) made it a really good show. Definitely the best of the 4 I've seen of just him. Still not top 5 LIVE/Ed K shows ever, but the most energy I've seen from him in a long time. I was a little shocked/disappointed that there were only 6 songs off Alive in the setlist because the songs are much better in person than on the cd. I was, however, very happy with everything played.
Now, a glass of wine, and bed.
Goodnight, all.

Good to see Ed is playing mostly his new music and not relying on the success of Live. I count 11/17 songs are Live songs, what a joke! If you only have one album of solo material why be afraid to actually play it, oh wait that is because it sucks, i just answered my own question...

[Pokey]

A new generation of fans are likely looking for the next young, new band. They aren't going to follow a group of guys in their 40s who could technically be their fathers. Take a look at at Ed, TGF, or LIVE shows. You are likely going to see a crowd of 30+ year old fans.

A new generation doesn't need to be young people you know. Maybe generation is the wrong word as it implys ages. But new wave of fans, from any walk of life at any age who are craving great rock music. The type of people who loved TGF but never would have heard of them trough lack of promotion, like the ones I've played it to that became fans.
Its not about keeping the current fans it's about moving on and those who want to move on and join in can do so and those who don't, like yourself, should get lost. The quality of the music is all that matters.

Also funny how dancing queen gives a review of the gig and you give a review of the crowd. Sad man.

[+Ed+]

Nice rep, bud

[OutToDry]

Yep, over a day passed, no musical review, only the crowd.