Get Rid of it all Options

[tiger]

What made me become a fan of LIVE in the first place was Ed's lyrics and spirituality, so I really doubt I will enjoy a version of LIVE that doesn't include Ed. Also, I don't understand the excitement of this reunion since CCP have already been together the last 2 years. But now instead of working with successful frontmen(Ed Kowalczyk/Kevin Martin), they are working with Chris Shinn. To me this version of LIVE seems like a comedown not only from classic LIVE, but from The Gracious Few as well.

So Ed is the only one that can have spirituality? Assuming Chris is actually the singer, because he hasn't sold 20 million records he can't be good? I guess that means Myles Kennedy sucks because before Alter Bridge no one had heard of him. Like I said, narrow mind.

[SJN1279]

So Ed is the only one that can have spirituality? Assuming Chris is actually the singer, because he hasn't sold 20 million records he can't be good? I guess that means Myles Kennedy sucks because before Alter Bridge no one had heard of him. Like I said, narrow mind.

Alter Bridge didn't call themselves Creed, and from what I heard Chris Shinn is not Myles Kennedy. Replacing the lead singer for a popular band is going to open them up to criticism. Few bands make it with a replacement singer, and most don't even bother to try.

[tiger]

Alter Bridge didn't call themselves Creed, and from what I heard Chris Shinn is not Myles Kennedy. Replacing the lead singer for a popular band is going to open them up to criticism. Few bands make it with a replacement singer, and most don't even bother to try.

It has nothing to do with the name. You're making all sorts of jugements about Live based on your limited ability to see them as anything other than what you define them as. The thing is, Live never lived by any set of rules and you fail to see the hypocrisy in your views. Whatever, you can continue to feel safe in your box while the rest of us move on and experience all that Live and life has to offer.

This post has been edited by tiger: Aug 6 2011, 9:18 am

[Hoodstock]

Time to get rid of all of the Ed shit. It's time to move on.

This is a Fans of Live website not a shrine to Ed.

Ed's moved on, Live's moved on - and we don't need photo's of Ed, info on Ed, Ed fans or Ed's crap.

I have to disagree. Ed is not currently part of Live but he always will be connected to Live.

His photo's and info belong here just like TGF stuff.

I do agree though that the banner should be changed when the new lead singer is announced.

[Pokey]

Alter Bridge didn't call themselves Creed, and from what I heard Chris Shinn is not Myles Kennedy. Replacing the lead singer for a popular band is going to open them up to criticism. Few bands make it with a replacement singer, and most don't even bother to try.

Jesus christ, fuck off with this bands "making it" with a new singer or not. If the combination of CCP and whoever else sounds good, then that's all the matters. You should let the guys worry about their own financial side of things which clearly you seem to care more about than anyone else, including them.
I still don't understand why you just don't go away. Live clearly have nothing to offer you which you have made clear, you asked to be "counted out", you have nothing to offer either, so, what's the deal?
As far as I can tell you're just sticking around in hopes of gloating if something CCP do under the Live banner without Ed will not be a commercial success. Most others will be caring about whether it's an artistic and musical success.

[tiger]

Jesus christ, fuck off with this bands "making it" with a new singer or not. If the combination of CCP and whoever else sounds good, then that's all the matters. You should let the guys worry about their own financial side of things which clearly you seem to care more about than anyone else, including them.
I still don't understand why you just don't go away. Live clearly have nothing to offer you which you have made clear, you asked to be "counted out", you have nothing to offer either, so, what's the deal?
As far as I can tell you're just sticking around in hopes of gloating if something CCP do under the Live banner without Ed will not be a commercial success. Most others will be caring about whether it's an artistic and musical success.

He's not going anywhere. Unfortunately, his BS is going to ramp up the more Live moves forward. Hell, Chris Shinn hasn't even been confirmed as singer and he's already taking pot shots at him because of his perceived success. Wait until the singer is confirmed and we actually have music and more info to sink our teeth into.

[Merica]

Live with a new singer can't really do much worse than they did towards the end with Ed when it comes to sales (which shouldn't be important to those who value integrity and the art itself), so I don't know what Nick is wanting to do if they fail.

Ed made them fail sales wise at the end so... you know...

*shrug*

[SJN1279]

Live with a new singer can't really do much worse than they did towards the end with Ed when it comes to sales (which shouldn't be important to those who value integrity and the art itself), so I don't know what Nick is wanting to do if they fail.

Ed made them fail sales wise at the end so... you know...

*shrug*

Overseas LIVE at the end with did strong sales, particuarly in Holland. Also sales for SFBM were much better than for Alive or The Gracious Few in the US. SFBM reached #3 on the Billboard Indie charts, while Alive or TGF didn't make the top 25.

That said the new CD could do okay and should outperform ALIVE and The Gracious Few(just on name alone). Where new LIVE will run into trouble is on tour. They may do okay at first, but once the audiences sees that their is a new singer, they will be rejected by many fans. Like it or not, most fans go to see LIVE in concert to hear the hits performed by LIVE(with Ed doing the vocals). This new version will not suffice. You can't change what worked for 20 years and think it will do well.

[Merica]

Overseas LIVE at the end with did strong sales, particuarly in Holland. Also sales for SFBM were much better than for Alive or The Gracious Few in the US. SFBM reached #3 on the Billboard Indie charts, while Alive or TGF didn't make the top 25.

That said the new CD could do okay and should outperform ALIVE and The Gracious Few(just on name alone). Where new LIVE will run into trouble is on tour. They may do okay at first, but once the audiences sees that their is a new singer, they will be rejected by many fans. Like it or not, most fans go to see LIVE in concert to hear the hits performed by LIVE(with Ed doing the vocals). This new version will not suffice. You can't change what worked for 20 years and think it will do well.

I'm almost tempted to say that Holland doesn't count...

Thing is, they're completely within their rights to continue with Live, and it's not their fault if fans are ignorant to what has happened. They've made things pretty clear that Ed isn't with the band any more, so if they piss off some fans who only went for Ed - fuck it - they're not the fans they want to reach anyway.

This new version can more than suffice as a band that produces quality music and puts on kick ass shows. Sure they won't live up to old Live, but then they're not trying to replace Ed's voice or recreate it. They're taking Live in a new direction, which happens to take influence from the older albums when it was more synced with their musical selves.

[OutToDry]

The vortex is churning the hate & criticism 24-7. Hypocrisy at it finest. Can't believe nothing is official and the hate and doubt fill these boards with the same shit. Who is the evil jack wagon?

[Pokey]

Overseas LIVE at the end with did strong sales, particuarly in Holland. Also sales for SFBM were much better than for Alive or The Gracious Few in the US. SFBM reached #3 on the Billboard Indie charts, while Alive or TGF didn't make the top 25.

That said the new CD could do okay and should outperform ALIVE and The Gracious Few(just on name alone). Where new LIVE will run into trouble is on tour. They may do okay at first, but once the audiences sees that their is a new singer, they will be rejected by many fans. Like it or not, most fans go to see LIVE in concert to hear the hits performed by LIVE(with Ed doing the vocals). This new version will not suffice. You can't change what worked for 20 years and think it will do well.

So what? If people aren't happy with it then fuck 'em, time for them to move on to other things and the ones who legit enjoy Live 2.0 and be left to just enjoy it. Does it really matter what the success is in those terms? What matters is the god damn music, I just don't understand how you can't understand that. How they perform commercially is mildly interesting at best. It should not be the defining factor and thought process.
If people go to the show and they expected to see Ed then that's their own damn fault for not even bothering to look into who they are spending money to go and see. Doesn't take much to punch a few words into google.
Why should you cater to the average fan who just wants to see the hits? If you have any kind of artistic credibility and are a musician with self respect towards you art, you do what YOU want and those who like it can like it, and those who don't can find something else.
Touring as a damn nostalgia act just playing the hits are just mind numbingly dull. People who go to gigs "just to hear the hits" piss me off, yeah I know that's a large portion of people, but people are stupid.

So fuck this image of whether it will "do well" and focus on more on if it will sound good.
You still haven't answered why you're still here? You said it yourself you wanted to be counted out, and you have no interest in Live going forward so just ... go stick with Ed. Why keep hanging onto something when all it's going to cause you is negative feelings?

[SJN1279]

They're taking Live in a new direction, which happens to take influence from the older albums when it was more synced with their musical selves.

Which is what they did with The Gracious Few. LIVE was one of the more successful 90's touring acts even towards the end of their run. A proper reunion down the line would have done well Worldwide. Creating a new LIVE just waters down their band and drawing power. LIVE was still able to fill up 2000 capacity halls in 2009, I think new LIVE would be lucky to hit a 1/4 of that in concert. CCP should embrace the hiatus of LIVE, form a new band, and cover some LIVE tunes along the way.

[SJN1279]

The vortex is churning the hate & criticism 24-7. Hypocrisy at it finest. Can't believe nothing is official and the hate and doubt fill these boards with the same shit. Who is the evil jack wagon?

If Ed was reforming LIVE with new musicians, I'm sure you would take it well.

[OutToDry]

What's watered down? The vortex?

[tiger]

CCP should embrace the hiatus of LIVE, form a new band, and cover some LIVE tunes along the way.

Who the fuck are you to tell them what they should do? They are doing what they need to do. This is their life blood. They dedicated their lives to this and you have the gumption to tell them how it is. You pretend like you're some label exec trying to bring in a few bucks, yet you complain about them trying to grab money. Like Pokey said, there is nothing worse than some nostalgia act playing their past hits. Any band with integrity for their art would put their neck out there with some new music. You don't know jack squat about artistic integrity though. You just want to hear your hits. I hate to break it to you, it's not about you.