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[OutToDry]

Nope. But, if you think they're lucrative......not really.

[Bremang]

What are you trying to say with that circle into oblivion above?

Read my replies to Nick where we're discussion sales or art in terms of legacy. Ed's legacy is in his art. He's changed as a musician, not for the better. He seemed to like taking the short easy way with most of the music he's created the past 10 years or so.

Who's talking about a lawsuit, compensation? Who's talking about an obsessed fan who's angry that Ed ignored him. I have read his body language, his interviews, his views......Listen the one thing about Ed that turns most people's stomachs, is he's not an honest abe, he comes off as Mr. Sham Wow. Yeah I don't know him, kinda glad I dont. My view of him isn't a snap one, it's made over a lot of years.

Why have I gotten under your skin so much? If I was an obsessed fan, I would have seen them 300+ times. I am only interested in discussing them for the art. There will be future Live, without Ed. I am excited to see how it will be received. The other 3 are going back to basics.....TGF proved this to a lot of people....they have the art, the heart, the sweat and the desire.

Again, you blame him for squandering his potential. I just told you in the previous post why that is stupid, and why its hypocritical for you to say that I have high standards for him. Also, the talk about lawsuit and compensation are a part of your analysis of his personality, obviously, when you made accusations of greed. Maybe you forgot what you said. At least you admit to not knowing Ed, so we all know that your accusations are purely formed in your fandom and not real close encounters. There are levels of fandom, and you definitely fall into the obsession catagory -ahem postcount. You clearly devote a nice chunk every day to Live. Of course you had to throw in a nice little irrelevant tidbit about TGF in there. I just enjoy smashing your BS here sometimes.

[Pokey]

Bre you strike me as someone who wants absolute proof before someone can make a statement. Like an admission from Ed is the only thing that will make you see things that way. I like to try and still think of things logically, just because a crime of some sort hasn't been proven doenst mean it wasn't commited. Why would CCP even bother bringing the law suit against Ed if they didn't believe they had just cause. He either swindled his friends or he didn't, and a lot of people arent just saying "oh well CT said he did so he must". What a massive waste of everyone's time and effort it would be if everything brought forward was a total fabrication. Just isn't the case. Before Live split people were seeing the cracks, Ed dominating the band, bereft of creativity, lots of reports of being rude with fans, whatever it is all those things add up and like it or not people are using a whole array of things to base their opinion of Ed on

It's not just "CT said so". Although the fact CT has had personal conversations with guys like OTD means he's in a much better position to comment. I don't get your fight for equality. I know you're neither for Ed or against Ed or for Nick or against Nick, it's like you're a super hero for neutral opinions.

I dont like Eds new music but that has absolutely nothing to do with how I view him as a person except in an artistic sense. I think it's a shame someone so talented isn't pushing himself to be more creative like he's shown he is.

[SJN1279]

Nope. But, if you think they're lucrative......not really.

I honestly have no idea what Ed makes touring, and neither do you. He must be making decent money for the most part because he continues to do it.

[Pokey]

Do you know Ed's financial touring numbers?

How can you even ask that when people ask you how you can possibly make statements like CCP are only doing this for Money and that KM's heart isn't in TGF. If you're asking OTD this question and believe that without solid proof that he is wrong. Then how do you think we feel when you base all of your opinions on "it makes sense" which is just the equivalent of "its what I'd do". It's been proven here over and over you have a very unique way of thinking and no one else here really thinks the way you do.

So Nick, why are you still here?

[SJN1279]

How can you even ask that when people ask you how you can possibly make statements like CCP are only doing this for Money and that KM's heart isn't in TGF. If you're asking OTD this question and believe that without solid proof that he is wrong. Then how do you think we feel when you base all of your opinions on "it makes sense" which is just the equivalent of "its what I'd do". It's been proven here over and over you have a very unique way of thinking and no one else here really thinks the way you do.

So Nick, why are you still here?

Just because some others don't think the way I do, doesn't make me wrong.

[OutToDry]

Again, you blame him for squandering his potential. I just told you in the previous post why that is stupid, and why its hypocritical for you to say that I have high standards for him. Also, the talk about lawsuit and compensation are a part of your analysis of his personality, obviously, when you made accusations of greed. Maybe you forgot what you said. At least you admit to not knowing Ed, so we all know that your accusations are purely formed in your fandom and not real close encounters. There are levels of fandom, and you definitely fall into the obsession catagory -ahem postcount. You clearly devote a nice chunk every day to Live. Of course you had to throw in a nice little irrelevant tidbit about TGF in there. I just enjoy smashing your BS here sometimes.

Maybe I am just a bit closer to the situation that you care to read into. Fine with me, we're done conversing. Call me an obsessed fan due to my post count. My tidbit about TGF is not irrevalent. I don't have much BS to throw here. Ed still has potential to be great and get back to his roots. Perhaps it's not what he wants, i am ok with that. You can't deny his major personality change, musical direction change, taking all control from the other partners, threats to leave, new money split, stealing money thing...., bad music, bad lyrics are a bad hypothesis to form? Oh yeah, there's that irrevalancy of Live from 2001-2009. People do change, some people more than others. I respect your high standards for Ed. What were they 10 years ago? Obsessed fandom like?

[Pokey]

Just because some others don't think the way I do, doesn't make me wrong.

It makes you wrong about certain things, like CCP's motivation for bringing Live back. How you can believe that yet based on everything presented think that Ed is an innocent man of being motivated purely by money is beyond me. You look at music like a record company, not like a normal band.

[SJN1279]

Maybe I am just a bit closer to the situation that you care to read into. Fine with me, we're done conversing. Call me an obsessed fan due to my post count. My tidbit about TGF is not irrevalent. I don't have much BS to throw here. Ed still has potential to be great and get back to his roots. Perhaps it's not what he wants, i am ok with that. You can't deny his major personality change, musical direction change, taking all control from the other partners, threats to leave, new money split, stealing money thing...., bad music, bad lyrics are a bad hypothesis to form? Oh yeah, there's that irrevalancy of Live from 2001-2009. People do change, some people more than others. I respect your high standards for Ed. What were they 10 years ago? Obsessed fandom like?

Meeting Ed in 2004 and meeting Ed in 2011 is a totally different experience. Ed is actually nice to his fans now, back in the day, it was always hit or miss.

LIVE may not have been as popular in the US from 2001-2009, but overseas they did well(especially Netherlands). Touring wise, they always did well anywhere they went(filling clubs on a consistent basis).

Bad music and lyrics are opinion. The musical direction change for SFBM was due to LIVE's success in Hot A/C with Heaven and Run Away. Ed is far from perfect(I'm sure he did wrong), but he isn't the evil being you make him out to be.

[SJN1279]

It makes you wrong about certain things, like CCP's motivation for bringing Live back. How you can believe that yet based on everything presented think that Ed is an innocent man of being motivated purely by money is beyond me. You look at music like a record company, not like a normal band.

What do you think CCCP's motivation to be bring back LIVE is?

I'm sure Ed is driven by money to an extent, but what artist isn't?

[Pokey]

What do you think CCCP's motivation to be bring back LIVE is?

I'm sure Ed is driven by money to an extent, but what artist isn't?

They're motivation is what was stated in their message to the fans on FB by CT, if you don't believe that then go. Once again this place and Live have nothing to offer you and you have nothing to offer back. Just stick with Ed. CT acknowledged that more money would come of this than with TGF, that's inevitable with an established name. He also acknowledged that they may lose (and gain) some fans by doing this. But it's what they created, it's what they spent their life working on. If Ed can continue playing Live songs and hanging onto the past and you see no problem with that then extend the same curtosy to CCP. But we know you can't because you can't see past the voice. You have no real musical appreciation.
Money is a side matter here, the fact you can't see past it just goes more to show how your mind works.

Once again, why are you still here?

[throwing_cheetahs]

Meeting Ed in 2004 and meeting Ed in 2011 is a totally different experience. Ed is actually nice to his fans now, back in the day, it was always hit or miss.

LIVE may not have been as popular in the US from 2001-2009, but overseas they did well(especially Netherlands). Touring wise, they always did well anywhere they went(filling clubs on a consistent basis).

Bad music and lyrics are opinion. The musical direction change for SFBM was due to LIVE's success in Hot A/C with Heaven and Run Away. Ed is far from perfect(I'm sure he did wrong), but he isn't the evil being you make him out to be.

i saw Ed in dayton ohio the other day (free show by the way) and the whole crowd was very into it and after the show i talked with ed a little bit. He was so cool and seemed to have the patience to chat with everyone he could, and his band sounded damn good. It was a very kick ass show!

This post has been edited by throwing_cheetahs: Jul 27 2011, 9:35 pm

[OutToDry]

Meeting Ed in 2004 and meeting Ed in 2011 is a totally different experience. Ed is actually nice to his fans now, back in the day, it was always hit or miss.

LIVE may not have been as popular in the US from 2001-2009, but overseas they did well(especially Netherlands). Touring wise, they always did well anywhere they went(filling clubs on a consistent basis).

Bad music and lyrics are opinion. The musical direction change for SFBM was due to LIVE's success in Hot A/C with Heaven and Run Away. Ed is far from perfect(I'm sure he did wrong), but he isn't the evil being you make him out to be.

I didn't call him a devil. Some other established folks did. I think what was said, and done has merit. But it's all spun back into the revenue stream discussion. You also must take into consideration that Live used to play large crowds, but ended playing to small clubs because that's what the market afforded to them. As Live got more mature, the venues shrunk and so did the crowds.....has to be a correlation to the musical direction and control.

[SJN1279]

I didn't call him a devil. Some other established folks did. I think what was said, and done has merit. But it's all spun back into the revenue stream discussion. You also must take into consideration that Live used to play large crowds, but ended playing to small clubs because that's what the market afforded to them. As Live got more mature, the venues shrunk and so did the crowds.....has to be a correlation to the musical direction and control.

Or basically how the music business works. A band may have a few years at the top, and it usually progresses downward from there as new bands emerge and take their place.

LIVE was able to hang on and tour much more successfully than many 90's bands from their era. I fear that the new LIVE incarnation will push the LIVE name down further down lower than most 90's bands currently touring.

[throwing_cheetahs]

What i am most anxious for with the new LIVE is the unreleased material, and all the songs that we have no knowledge about. I mean there has to be dozens of songs we have never even heard of that they have recorded.