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[tiger]

Pretty spot on if you ask me. I honestly find it alarming that they are going to try to replace Ed with just some guy in the "Live fan community". It doesn't sound like a lot of thought went into this new venture. I guess we shall see.

More alarming is the shit you come up with. Right, no thought at all went into this. You just say all the stuff you wish was true. If you were a fan of Live I'd expect you to be curious as to what they might come up with. Like it or not, TGF was quality. Not to mention these guys did contribute greatly to Live's greatest work.

[Pokey]

It's just mind blowing that a guy who you'd think is big fan of the band because he bought the website once doesn't want to give it a chance. Fair enough if after you listen to it and you don't like it, then say you don't like it, but why make your mind up beforehand? Throw the bullshit thoughts about whether it'll sell or chart well aside, and focus on what it will sound like.
As I've said before, I have my hesitations too, I have no idea what to expect, but I'm a Live fan, and 3/4 of the original Live are in this so as a Live fan I can pretty much assume that at least 3/4 of what I will hear I will like. But It's just impossible to judge that missing 1/4 without hearing it first.

Nick, if you've already decided you won't like it, then go, because this isn't an Eddie K only fan site and it's clear that's all you're interested in, so what is the point in you wasting your time here?

[SJN1279]

Nick, if you've already decided you won't like it, then go, because this isn't an Eddie K only fan site and it's clear that's all you're interested in, so what is the point in you wasting your time here?

It isn't a new LIVE fansite either. Last I checked, all four "real" members of the band were represented on this board. I think it is cheap for CCP to replace Ed, and try to play off that they are still LIVE. Many others feel the same way.

Even if I wasn't a fan of The Gracious Few, it was awesome that the guys tried to branch off to form a supergroup. This move, not so much. I hope they are ready for the backlash, because it is going to come. You can't replace the frontman from a successful band, for the last 20 years, with a nobody and expect the majority of the general public to accept it.

LIVE fans will expect Ed to be singing the LIVE hits, if they are going to a LIVE show. Call it something else, but let LIVE go if it isn't the four of them.

[Pokey]

But you don't think it's cheap for Ed to replace CCP with horrible session musicians and whore out poor versions of the songs? As I said, you have no respect for CCP, you have no appreciation for them, you're just a fan of Ed.
I love how you say "Live fans will expect Ed to be there", it's not like they're luring children into a dodgy van with candy only to go "surprise! rape!". You must think Live fans are the dumbest pieces of shit walking if you honestly believe its that easy to dupe someone.

Ed was a nobody once, who cares if they replace him with "a nobody" if that nobody ends up being really good? But then again, you don't want to give that a chance even because you don't give a shit about the music, just the sales, and a "nobody" isn't going to sell as well as Ed. Who cares?

As for TGF, no you didn't think it was "awesome" for them to do that, you criticized them at every turn for every fucking thing they did. Like the Billboard shit you wouldn't let go, no one but you cared about that.
You can sit and jerk off over the backlash they're gonna get, the rest of us will sit and wait for the music and enjoy or not enjoy that without giving a fuck what "the masses" think.


Ok fine we get you don't approve of it, but it's happening and you can't stop it. So why are you still here?

This post has been edited by Pokey: Jul 24 2011, 10:45 pm

[SJN1279]

But you don't think it's cheap for Ed to replace CCP with horrible session musicians and whore out poor versions of the songs? As I said, you have no respect for CCP, you have no appreciation for them, you're just a fan of Ed.
I love how you say "Live fans will expect Ed to be there", it's not like they're luring children into a dodgy van with candy only to go "surprise! rape!". You must think Live fans are the dumbest pieces of shit walking if you honestly believe its that easy to dupe someone.

Ed was a nobody once, who cares if they replace him with "a nobody" if that nobody ends up being really good? But then again, you don't want to give that a chance even because you don't give a shit about the music, just the sales, and a "nobody" isn't going to sell as well as Ed. Who cares?

As for TGF, no you didn't think it was "awesome" for them to do that, you criticized them at every turn for every fucking thing they did. Like the Billboard shit you wouldn't let go, no one but you cared about that.
You can sit and jerk off over the backlash they're gonna get, the rest of us will sit and wait for the music and enjoy or not enjoy that without giving a fuck what "the masses" think.
Ok fine we get you don't approve of it, but it's happening and you can't stop it. So why are you still here?

-Ed is not calling his new band LIVE. There is a huge difference between the two scenarios. I'm sure if Ed was calling his new band LIVE, certain members of this board would be in an uproar.

-If you read my posts back in July 2009, I was all for CCP joining with Kevin Martin. Once they started tweeting their venom towards Ed, I totally lost interest in the project.

-LIVE will always be most known for Throwing Copper and their 90's accomplishments. Ed was the voice and co-creator of all that material. If CCP were only concerned about making good music, they could stick with TGF or create an entirely new band. I believe that going back to the LIVE name is based on money.

[Pokey]

Ed is still marketing himself as from Live. But again, you don't care about the actual MUSIC. When it comes down to it, I don't care if Ed markets himself as "Ed from Live", "Ed formerly from Live", or "Live's Ed Kowalczyk", I would care more about the quality of music that he is producing, and the band that is producing it are absolutely terrible. You care more about the name and how that will effect sales, but god for once focus on the MUSIC, and judge that after you've heard it.
I love this "uproar" you're talking about, as if Live have many fans left. Its not exactly going to be a following of Beatle-esque proportions one way or the other. And yeah they'll probably lose a whole bunch of fans who either don't like the new direction, are against Ed not being part of it, or like yourself, only care about Ed. But they also may gain a whole bunch of respect because they're plying their craft from other fans, they will gain joy of being able to carry on the band that they birthed and really if you don't like it then find something else to latch onto and love, focus on your disney or your hulk hogan. Because Live is changing and you and many others might not like it, but it's happening.

The fact you believe that what they are doing is totally based around money, yet all the dubious shit Ed has done to make a buck you're totally fine with. Not everyone is as financially obsessed as you.

Once again, why are you still here if Live has nothing left to offer you? You have clearly made that decision already. Hang out on Ed's facebook page and discuss how wonderful he is, because when we talk about Live's past music here that included Ed you don't even join in the discussions then. So, why are you still here?

This post has been edited by Pokey: Jul 25 2011, 1:27 am

[OutToDry]

Pokey, he won't hear you. There it is in a nutshell. I love that he can't wrap his feeble mind around the guys doing Live and TGF at the same time. Just once I'd like to read about a musical breakdown about a song, a concert.....naah why change now.

[briburge]

Ed left. They should be able to call the band live. There are thousand examples of this happening. If you don't like it that's fine but they have every right to use the name

[Pokey]

Exactly. Nick is worried about them bastardising the name. I find that just so fitting with him, he's worried about the name, where as people are telling him worry less about the name and more about the songs, he doesn't see Ed's band bastardising the songs as a bad thing, but the name .. whoa that's untouchable. Once again, music takes a back seat.

[tiger]

Ed is still marketing himself as from Live. But again, you don't care about the actual MUSIC. When it comes down to it, I don't care if Ed markets himself as "Ed from Live", "Ed formerly from Live", or "Live's Ed Kowalczyk", I would care more about the quality of music that he is producing, and the band that is producing it are absolutely terrible. You care more about the name and how that will effect sales, but god for once focus on the MUSIC, and judge that after you've heard it.
I love this "uproar" you're talking about, as if Live have many fans left. Its not exactly going to be a following of Beatle-esque proportions one way or the other. And yeah they'll probably lose a whole bunch of fans who either don't like the new direction, are against Ed not being part of it, or like yourself, only care about Ed. But they also may gain a whole bunch of respect because they're plying their craft from other fans, they will gain joy of being able to carry on the band that they birthed and really if you don't like it then find something else to latch onto and love, focus on your disney or your hulk hogan. Because Live is changing and you and many others might not like it, but it's happening.

The fact you believe that what they are doing is totally based around money, yet all the dubious shit Ed has done to make a buck you're totally fine with. Not everyone is as financially obsessed as you.

Once again, why are you still here if Live has nothing left to offer you? You have clearly made that decision already. Hang out on Ed's facebook page and discuss how wonderful he is, because when we talk about Live's past music here that included Ed you don't even join in the discussions then. So, why are you still here?

You can lead a horse to water..... Many have tried to enlighten him including yourself and some very insightful posts by fish. CT's latest fb posts pretty much lay it all out. Live was always bigger than the name itself. And while Ed lyrically and vocally captured the essence of Live (for a while), he too was part of something much bigger. As CT has said, things changed over the years. But what Live stood for in those early years still resonates with him, CG, and PD. They desire to rekindle that essence that can only be described as Live. Only they will know if it means the same to them. The fans will have to judge for themselves. Making a judgement beforehand is steeped in fear. Those that cling steadfastly to their vision of Live don't really understand what Live was about in the first place.

[Bremang]

Curiously, are they not allowed to use FriendsofLive without Ed's permission or inclusion?

Who knows........

my guess is obviously they can use the website.......but maybe Ed has the right to be on it and wants to be included in friendsoflive............and so maybe ccp want to make another website that is only devoted to the new Live.

[Bremang]

Ed is the one who is trying to still be Live and he is the one who already "replaced" the other members with some random guys. He is the one doing the Live songs and still using the name of Live to promote himself while CCP and did something seperate from Live.

I don't really care that he does it. But for you to say it is alarming that CCP are trying to "replace" Ed is silly. Ed replaced them a long time ago.

Ed's singing, and CCP's instrumental parts might all be very precious and hard to create.
But many Live songs are not to hard to play. The instrumental parts can be replicated (for the purposes of Ed's solo show). However, it seems difficult to replicate or replace a voice/lyricist. Also, Ed did not keep the name "Live" even thought he is promoting Live songs. So I can see how it is more of a leap to replace Ed in this scenario than for Ed to replace CCP in his solo band. We all agree that Live is a much greater entity than Ed's solo band. But in my opinion, "we'll see" is the best policy.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 25 2011, 11:55 am

[Bremang]

Pretty spot on if you ask me. I honestly find it alarming that they are going to try to replace Ed with just some guy in the "Live fan community". It doesn't sound like a lot of thought went into this new venture. I guess we shall see.

I guess we shall see is 100% right.

However, saying it doesn't sound like a lot of thought went into this new venture is probably very wrong. I believe they most likely attempted to think about the new venture sufficiently and succeeded.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 25 2011, 11:02 am

[Bremang]

Fair enough if after you listen to it and you don't like it, then say you don't like it, but why make your mind up beforehand?

He didn't completely.....he said we'll see

I would love to be proven wrong, but I don't believe that anyone will come close to being as awesome as Ed was. Even if I like the new band, I doubt it will compare to how awesome Live was in their heyday.

Nick, if you've already decided you won't like it, then go, because this isn't an Eddie K only fan site and it's clear that's all you're interested in, so what is the point in you wasting your time here?

Cause EK is a huge part of this discussion. Since when should a Live fansite not be appropriate for people who prefer EK over the other members?

[Merica]

Since when should a Live fansite not be appropriate for people who prefer EK over the other members?

Thing is... 'prefer' suggests you like both but have a preference for one or the other.

Nick ONLY likes Ed.