SJN owned by Live, CAG with the left hook!!! Options

[OutToDry]

He's like the mole who comes out of his hole.......yeah that game again...Whack A Nick!!!


That again shows you the mental midgetry the punkhead exhibits.....you won't stop, how many times do the Live boys have to punk you out? When I told you they didn't care for your nonesense...you scoffed at me.....who's laughing now?

[SJN1279]

He's like the mole who comes out of his hole.......yeah that game again...Whack A Nick!!!
That again shows you the mental midgetry the punkhead exhibits.....you won't stop, how many times do the Live boys have to punk you out? When I told you they didn't care for your nonesense...you scoffed at me.....who's laughing now?

LIVE sold 20 million albums with Ed. When the majority of fans go to see a LIVE show they will expect to hear the LIVE classics with the original lead singer.

CCP are basically all talk. TGF were set to take over the world just last summer. 10 months after their album release and after one failed toured of the US, they want to start over with LIVE again. At least with TGF they had a multi-platinum vocalist to back them and were trying to start something new. LIVE with an unknown singer is basically just a money grab.

The fact that people are claiming CCP to be the founding members of LIVE is laughable. They weren't LIVE until Ed joined them. He wrote all the lyrics and most of the music. To take his contributions out the equation is a joke.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Jul 15 2011, 5:07 pm

[Aitkens]

It's rather comical to read the shit that you post, because you're so in the dark on many things.

[tiger]

Here is an analogy for what happened to Live on the last 3 albums, and why they were no longer a success (to speak in Nick's terms) after TDTH.

Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. When he is pitching, he is unbelievable.

Roy Halladay's batting average is .070. For those who don't know baseball - that is really bad. A decent batting average is .300. I am sure that Roy Halladay would struggle playing the outfield or any other infield position or catcher. But he is a great pitcher and you value him on the team. But you field 9 players on the baseball field to play the game.

Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in all of baseball and he makes the most money on the team. Halladay is arguably the most valuable players on the team. But he is a team player. He doesn't have a huge ego. He values the contribution of the other players and knows that in order for the team to succeed, each player must do his component part. Heck, the catcher, Carlos Ruiz, calls the pitches that Halladay throws, and Roy Halladay trusts Ruiz and throws the pitches that he tells him to throw. And it has worked out pretty well for Halladay. Halladay has showered Ruiz with gifts for being a great catcher and enabling Halladay to do what he does so well.

Now what would happen if Roy Halladay took over the whole team and dictated to everyone how to play their positions? What if he became the batting coach and told Ryan Howard how to hit the ball? Roy Halladay is a great pitcher, but he bats .070. What if he told Victorino how to judge fly balls and ignored every pitch call that Ruiz makes from behind home plate? Batters bat. Catchers catch. And Pitchers pitch. If your pitcher is telling your batters how to bat, the team will suck.

Ed Kowalczyk was (was but not "is") the Roy Halladay of singing and lyrics. When he was writing lyrics and singing them, he was unbelievable. Then he got a huge ego. He took credit for all of the accomplishments of the team. He made sure that the cover of the team photo was just Ed. And worst of all, he told the bassist, the drummer and the guitarist how to do their jobs. But Ed is no better at working drumming magic, bass or guitar riffs into a song than Roy Halladay is at the plate, batting .070. And giess what happens when your posterboy does this? The team loses.

Now Ed is fielding a baseball team with Roy Halladay and the bad news bears. Roy Halladay is in charge of everything. And you know what you have? You have a team named "Alive" that is batting .070 with a great vocalist.

You know what CCP did? They went out and got Cliff Lee as a pitcher (in this story, Cliff Lee will be played by Kecvin Martin). They named their new team The Gracious Few. And they have a complete, functioning team that makes magic on the field.

Now it appears that they have cut Roy Halladay from the original team named Live because he ran amuck and they are replacing him with Cole Hamels. Stay tuned to find out who will be playing the part of Cole Hamels in this story.

I know - I started to mix my metaphors at the end there. I did that to drive the point home (Get it? Pun intended!).

Good analogy but to be like Live's situation, Halladay would have to lose his ability to pitch or win games, then dictate to everyone how everything is going to be done. The only thing is, his teammates, managers, owners, fans, peers, everyone would hold him accountable and he wouldn't be able to get away with it. He'd be off the team in no time. And if his talents were diminished, he'd find himself out of the league or maybe languishing on some farm team somewhere. Kind of like Ed right now. I think the only mistake C,C,P may have made is giving Ed so much slack. But then again, they were lifelong friends so I think they figured he'd have to come to his senses eventually. Obviously he didn't and he's gone. Good riddance.

[tiger]

LIVE sold 20 million albums with Ed. When the majority of fans go to see a LIVE show they will expect to hear the LIVE classics with the original lead singer.

CCP are basically all talk. TGF were set to take over the world just last summer. 10 months after their album release and after one failed toured of the US, they want to start over with LIVE again. At least with TGF they had a multi-platinum vocalist to back them and were trying to start something new. LIVE with an unknown singer is basically just a money grab.

The fact that people are claiming CCP to be the founding members of LIVE is laughable. They weren't LIVE until Ed joined them. He wrote all the lyrics and most of the music. To take his contributions out the equation is a joke.

You are really talking out of your ass. All you are doing is giving your opinion and somehow assuming it applies to the majority of 20 million fans. News flash, the majority of those 20 million fans realized what a cunt Ed is and would gladly welcome a new singer. The few Ed fans that are left are the ones expecting to hear him sing Live songs.

What is laughable is that you claim to know who founded Live. Another news flash, it was C,C,P. They welcomed Ed in and he willingly became part of their band. He also willingly refused to continue to be part of their band so they continued on without him.

[Good_Pain]

All I can say is as my grandmother always told me, "You reap what you sow."

That may be a paraphrasing of a biblical quote, but despite whatever religious or non-religious beliefs you may hold this statement describes this whole situation perfectly.

It's the simple principle of karma, I felt it many times in my life and I don't relish in anyone's failures due to it coming back and biting them in the ass. As promised I won't attack SJN here in this forum, but let me give you some advice (though I'm sure you could care less), please just move on and stop being a fanboy who thinks that EK does no wrong. Yes, I support TGF, +LIVE+, and even bought EK's album. I still appreciate all that EK has done and even agree with him on some political stances, but he is not the end all be all of music or my life (which seems to be your case). All of the members of +LIVE+ are human and make mistakes, it just so happens that EK has seemed to have made the biggest mistake in many of our eyes, by not burying his ego and reuniting the band that made us all so happy.

I know that people grow and people change as is evident in the changes with +LIVE+ and the changing sound even from TC to TDTH. I remember distinctly fans going nuts over the change in direction from SS (which was very dark) to TDTH (which had more melodic qualities). Both great albums, but change never the less. The point is change happens whether we want it to or not, either you join the movement, oppose it, or get out of the way and stop being an obstruction to progress.

This post has been edited by Good_Pain: Jul 15 2011, 5:21 pm

[OutToDry]

LIVE sold 20 million albums with Ed. When the majority of fans go to see a LIVE show they will expect to hear the LIVE classics with the original lead singer.

CCP are basically all talk. TGF were set to take over the world just last summer. 10 months after their album release and after one failed toured of the US, they want to start over with LIVE again. At least with TGF they had a multi-platinum vocalist to back them and were trying to start something new. LIVE with an unknown singer is basically just a money grab.

The fact that people are claiming CCP to be the founding members of LIVE is laughable. They weren't LIVE until Ed joined them. He wrote all the lyrics and most of the music. To take his contributions out the equation is a joke.

Stop lecturing me clownface. No one said Ed's contributions were going to be diminished. What he's done with the band up to his take over era, I hold dear. Pot meet kettle regards to money grabbing....you of all people saying that!!! Ed's been about money grabbing for an eternity....listen to what you say pinhead.

As for who founded the band............um......look it up. Teacher of weak minded fools.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jul 15 2011, 8:02 pm

[SJN1279]

As for who founded the band............um......look it up. Teacher of weak minded fools.

Were the 3 of them called LIVE? The four of them founded the band LIVE.

[OutToDry]

and to this....you really dont know the goings on. As Aitkens said....nothing.

[Pokey]

You know how I know that Ed wasn't Live? Because this morning I was blasting Appetite.

That's all I needed to hear right there. It reminds me of exactly what happened the first time I played TGF for my Dad. Dad was the one that first got into Live and played it to me when he bought MJ back in 92 or so. He since then was into them until TDTH and sort of lost interest even though he never disliked them (besides SFBM) he actively didn't look into them much. Needless to say the first 3 albums he adores. Anyways before the main riff to Appetite had even started, right in the intro before I'd even told him who he was listening to his words were "this sound like Live, something brooding like TDAOC or TBD". He recognized the Live influence purely by the intro to a song played by CCP without having a clue what he was listening to.

That's why Ed was never Live, because there were 3 other members of the band.

[Aitkens]

Were the 3 of them called LIVE? The four of them founded the band LIVE.

Stop playing the games. They were the building core of Live. Even if they were called First Aid, Action Front, or whatever, that matters little. It was the 3 of them first, they invited Ed to join and eventually they became known as Live.

[tiger]

Were the 3 of them called LIVE? The four of them founded the band LIVE.

No, the band was already founded (by the 3 of them) and they changed the name. It's the same band, plus EK. Just like it's the same band now, minus EK.

[SJN1279]

and to this....you really dont know the goings on. As Aitkens said....nothing.

The goings on of what?

[tiger]

The goings on of what?

Everything.

[Aitkens]

Pretty much everything, but that's right you aren't a fan of the "band", so go walk off that short pier.