New Live? Options

[mattyeagles]

I am shocked that anyone is supporting Live with a new leader singer. It is a bit hypocritical to bash ed for singing Live songs with a different tone and less intensity and say he is ruining Live's legacy. Nothing can be worse for Live's legacy than starting the band with a new lead singer. There are going to be a lot of angry people going to concerts, who don't necessarily follow the "drama" of the band, who show up to see a no-name lead singer singing Live hits. I believe that the breakup is Ed's fault and his selfishness and inability to incorporate the other member's of the band into the music and creative process caused the demise of the band, but using the name Live with a new lead singer is a bad idea. Additionally, those bashing Ed for singing Live songs at his concerts and saying its just a ploy to get people to attend are blind if they dont see that this is exactly what CCP are doing by ressurecting the Live name. They tried TGF (i love the cd by the way, 100 times better than Alive) but the attendence was so so at best, so they are bringing back the Live name to get more people to attend the concerts. You can deny this as much as you want, but 90% of casual fans associate Live with Ed and they are going to be disappointed when he is not singing at the concert.

Hopefully people arent offended by this post, im just suprised people cant see exaclty whats going on here.

[OutToDry]

that's the other thing, if you don't like TGF or Live, why subscribe to their pages and say stupid shit like that. I am not a 'fan' of the Ed pages and I would never do that to say some garbage like that....so what's the point. Sounds like a child throwing a tantrum, throwing a shitball for what purpose? If Nick is championing some cause to make Ed look good in the eyes of the fringe fans, that's UBER Fail.

[OutToDry]

I am shocked that anyone is supporting Live with a new leader singer. It is a bit hypocritical to bash ed for singing Live songs with a different tone and less intensity and say he is ruining Live's legacy. Nothing can be worse for Live's legacy than starting the band with a new lead singer. There are going to be a lot of angry people going to concerts, who don't necessarily follow the "drama" of the band, who show up to see a no-name lead singer singing Live hits. I believe that the breakup is Ed's fault and his selfishness and inability to incorporate the other member's of the band into the music and creative process caused the demise of the band, but using the name Live with a new lead singer is a bad idea. Additionally, those bashing Ed for singing Live songs at his concerts and saying its just a ploy to get people to attend are blind if they dont see that this is exactly what CCP are doing by ressurecting the Live name. They tried TGF (i love the cd by the way, 100 times better than Alive) but the attendence was so so at best, so they are bringing back the Live name to get more people to attend the concerts. You can deny this as much as you want, but 90% of casual fans associate Live with Ed and they are going to be disappointed when he is not singing at the concert.

Hopefully people arent offended by this post, im just suprised people cant see exaclty whats going on here.

matty, you have a good synopsis here, but you're slanting your view in thinkin Ed is the main part of Live. Does Pink Floyd & Van Halen come to mind? Anyway, C&C&P are the originating founders, they own the name, they own the sound and musical makeup. I think the fans will be dissapointed that Ed chose not to collaborate with his mates anymore. I am sure the ticket buying public will know it will be a new lead singer. That didn't stop me from following Van Halen when Roth was kicked out and Hagar was brought in. Let's table whether it will work or not until after we see the results, and for the record TGF is not going away. TGF played to a small footprint and didn't bill themselves as CB or Live to draw in fans....it was grass roots and a success from a musical standpoint. I still introduce folks to TGF and they are blown away with the music. Expect Live to blow the old fans away as there is a stripping away of the portion of Live that basically turned his back on the core fan base and style that made him popular.

[SJN1279]

that's the other thing, if you don't like TGF or Live, why subscribe to their pages and say stupid shit like that. I am not a 'fan' of the Ed pages and I would never do that to say some garbage like that....so what's the point. Sounds like a child throwing a tantrum, throwing a shitball for what purpose? If Nick is championing some cause to make Ed look good in the eyes of the fringe fans, that's UBER Fail.

Great post by Matty btw. Spot on.

I've been following LIVE for the past 16 years, and I am really upset by the whole new lead singer issue. I haven't posted on TGF's FB in over a year because I am not a fan of that band. But LIVE is something that means a lot to me, and to see CCP do this bothers me a great deal.

Just being honest.

[OutToDry]

Why does it bother you? See what I wrote back to Matt. It makes sense. Ed is no longer part of Live legally, & creatively. Ed cannot stop them or has any say in the matter, and this is of his choosing.

[OutToDry]

Great post by Matty btw. Spot on.

I've been following LIVE for the past 16 years, and I am really upset by the whole new lead singer issue. I haven't posted on TGF's FB in over a year because I am not a fan of that band. But LIVE is something that means a lot to me, and to see CCP do this bothers me a great deal.

Just being honest.

if youre so honest, which i say you're all full of shit.....why do you follow Kevin Martin, TGF and CT on twitter? What's the point?....not being a fan means not following and not caring what they're saying! You're the hall monitor for Ed...you might as well come out and say it.

[mattyeagles]

matty, you have a good synopsis here, but you're slanting your view in thinkin Ed is the main part of Live. Does Pink Floyd & Van Halen come to mind? Anyway, C&C&P are the originating founders, they own the name, they own the sound and musical makeup. I think the fans will be dissapointed that Ed chose not to collaborate with his mates anymore. I am sure the ticket buying public will know it will be a new lead singer. That didn't stop me from following Van Halen when Roth was kicked out and Hagar was brought in. Let's table whether it will work or not until after we see the results, and for the record TGF is not going away. TGF played to a small footprint and didn't bill themselves as CB or Live to draw in fans....it was grass roots and a success from a musical standpoint. I still introduce folks to TGF and they are blown away with the music. Expect Live to blow the old fans away as there is a stripping away of the portion of Live that basically turned his back on the core fan base and style that made him popular.

Thats fine and I dont disagree but the maority of people do not go to fansoflive.com and they dont know the background of the breakup. Its fine if your opinion is that CCP are the heart of Live, and they very well might be, but in no way is that the view from the general public. Ed was the frontman of the band and he is the one who is associated with the music, whether that is the way it should be or not. Live is my favorite band by far and this is only message board i spent the time to follow so please do not take this is as me not being a Live fan. If CCP play Live songs with a new singer, it will seem off to most people and if they dont play old Live songs, then there is absolutely no reason to use the Live name. Seems like a lose-lose scenario to me.

Additonally, i didnt address the quality of the eventual Live music, and have no doubt that it will blow people away, like the TGF cd did. That, still, is not a reason to use the Live name. the only reason CCP would use the Live name is for name recogniton ($$) and there is no way around that.

[OutToDry]

I encourage you to attend the show, when they happen. They want to perform as Live. You, me or anyone else cannot tell them what they can do.

[mattyeagles]

I encourage you to attend the show, when they happen. They want to perform as Live. You, me or anyone else cannot tell them what they can do.

Thanks for the advice. I went to 3 TGF shows and enjoyed all of them so dont need you to tell me that I should go to a Live show. Also, I never told them what they should do. Just offered my opinion.

This post has been edited by mattyeagles: Jul 15 2011, 8:55 am

[OutToDry]

this is true, this is a message board. If C&C&P are going to go back out as Live and sing old Live songs, why should they call it anything other than Live. See the analogy of Van Halen & Pink Floyd. They want to feel some more Live, then they should do whatever they want. What if the new singer can sing the old live songs better than Ed? Ever give that a thought? I know it will be a weird notion to see another person up there singing, but we can all have open minds, then decide if it suits you.

[Hoodstock]

I haven't posted on TGF's FB in over a year because I am not a fan of that band.

Then stop following them as a favorite band. You're like a chick who got dumped and became a crazy stalker!

Personally, I'm ready for a new Live. Ed was the voice of Live and he's chosen to move on. I'm ready for a new voice.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Jul 15 2011, 10:13 am

[+Ed+]

Hoodie, the best post of yours in the last years. Respect

[possum]

I can't wait to see/hear what comes of Live. I'm just hoping that they can resist the temptation of playing their hits Lightning Crashes, I Alone, etc. Dig into some of the tracks that were not played as much (we all know the set list was pretty stagnant the last 10+ years). I can't blame them if they do and of course will support them regardless, but it might be a bit much to see someone else singing their hits.

[+Ed+]

It is not a temptation. It is THEIR songs. Why shall they avoid playing them?

[FishOutaWater]

I am going to refer to "classic" Live and new Live, like Van Halen fans referred to Van Halen with DLR as "classic" Van Halen. I for one never accepted Sammy Hagar as the lead singer. Van Hagar sucked. I prayed for over 20 years that I would one day get to see Van Halen fronted by David Lee Roth in concert, and I got my wish a few years ago in Philadelphia.

I am not happy about Live with a new lead singer, if there is any chance of Ed coming back. If there is still a pulse to "classic" Live with Ed; if classic Live is on life support and it is not in a terminally unconscious state, then I don't want to pull the plug and kill it. But if classic Live is dead and burried, and Ed is gone for good, then we have two choices. No Live at all. Or Live with a new lead singer. CCP tell us classic Live is dead. So we need to accept it and move on. Sure, new Live may be haunted by the ghost of Ed. Some people won't accept it. I get that.

As Taylor put it. Playing with Adam Taylor, TGF and Live are three different genres. If classic Live is dead and CCP want to switch gears and make new music with a new lead singer that sounds like Live under the name Live, then I'm OK with it. More music. More shows. CCP happy. All good.

What's the alternative? We are talking about musicians who make music for a living. If the alternative is that Chad Taylor manages the front desk of his wife's yoga studio, Chad Gracey gets a job in a garage rebuilding off-road vehicle, and Patrick becomes a rodeo clown at the York State fair, instead of playing great music for my listening pleasure, then give me new Live.

I don't want to hear the new lead singer perform I Alone any more than I wanted to hear Sammy Hagar sing Runn'in With The Devil. I hope they just play new stuff in concert.

I just hope that Gary Cherone isn't the new lead singer of Live.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jul 15 2011, 1:22 pm