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[tiger]

You're right. CCP rejoined with Jerry Harrison, replaced Ed with Kevin Martin, and totally bombed. Maybe Ed was to blame for that too?

Let's see your god Ed have the balls to start a new band, with a new sound, new type of music, new fans, and not rely on Live to get it off the ground. He'd get nowhere real fast. TGF did not bomb. You seem to be so keen on chart positions. Did you forget how good Appetite did on rock radio. We have no idea what they have planned for fall. They did pretty damn good all things considered.

[SJN1279]

Yes, many old fans moved on BECAUSE THE MUSIC STARTED TO SUCK! Live were never going to be the next hot new act because the music they were producing by then was shit. Promoting and all that aside because I know that's what you will fall back on. But there is no way on god's green earth that anyone could have done anything to make SFBM a classic album because it just wasn't good enough.

The fact that Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam (as much as I'm not a massive fan of either) can still come down here and play the massive arenas the way they did in the 90s and the way Live used to be able to do back in the day shows that people are still sticking around with them. Again whilst I was never a huge fan, they stuck to what they were good at. They stuck to what brought them to the dance. I love when bands evolve, but Live didn't evolve, they devolved. If Live had stuck to writing music together and doing things the way they worked best then they would have had a much better chance at staying relevant.
No they're not at the height of their popularity like they used to, but their slide compared to Live's is massively different.

Even at LIVE's peak, The Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam have always been much more successful bands than LIVE. It actually isn't even a contest. LIVE has sold over 20 millions worldwide, Chili Peppers over 85 miliion, and Pearl Jam over 60 million.

I'm not a fan of the Foo Fighters but I respect Dave Grohl's ability to keep his band current and popular with the masses.

[Pokey]

You're right. CCP rejoined with Jerry Harrison, replaced Ed with Kevin Martin, and totally bombed. Maybe Ed was to blame for that too?

Firstly they didn't bomb, they made a fucking amazing record. Something different to anything they'd been involved in for a long time. Ed just made SFBM #2, very innovative for someone who wanted a fresh start.

Oh that's right, you don't like music, then commerically ... they intentionally stayed away from promoting themselves as being part of Live/Candlebox. They were happier with small key. Yes they asked online for support but come on every band is going to want SOME support to start off with. The fact is the damage had been done by Ed on the Live name, the name is dirt in the music industry.

[Pokey]

Even at LIVE's peak, The Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam have always been much more successful bands than LIVE. It actually isn't even a contest. LIVE has sold over 20 millions worldwide, Chili Peppers over 85 miliion, and Pearl Jam over 60 million.

I'm not a fan of the Foo Fighters but I respect Dave Grohl's ability to keep his band current and popular with the masses.

Because Grohl knows what Grohl is good at and so that's what he does. Ed has no idea what he's good at and thus went to places that he shouldn't have gone and lost the masses.

Sorry, thought you asked for popular 90s acts that are still relevant today, that's what I gave you. Live were a flash in the pan, you could argue they were only truly popular for 1 year. So having said that, who the fuck cares about marketing and popularity. Just focus on the god damn music and let the artists take care of how they want to market themselves.

[tiger]

Even at LIVE's peak, The Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam have always been much more successful bands than LIVE. It actually isn't even a contest. LIVE has sold over 20 millions worldwide, Chili Peppers over 85 miliion, and Pearl Jam over 60 million.

I'm not a fan of the Foo Fighters but I respect Dave Grohl's ability to keep his band current and popular with the masses.

Those bands owe their longevity and record sales to the fact that they didn't have a singer that put himself above the others and refused to accept any input from the rest of the band. Dave Grohl is a whole different animal. He pretty much made their debut all on his own. If you watch their new documentary though you'll see how much he collaborated with the others.

[OutToDry]

I am enjoying this thread.

Here's a hypothetical.....what if when we got MJ, TC &SS.....we got something even more rocking and emotional instead of what MCA agreed to as the final releases?

[thefunkyredcaboose]

On LIVE on the Paradiso, Chad Taylor only got credit for Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, Purifier, and Operation Spirit. So that stands to reason that Ed has more to do with creating Throwing Copper than the rest did. At least the hits songs of Throwing Copper.

When Ed became the sole writer the band wasn't as successful as it had been. However, the band was on a downward trajectory after Throwing Copper. The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

I guess that "stands to reason" if you are a person who knows absolute zilch about song credits and how they work. Here's a hint: the Paradiso credits have absolutely nothing to do with the original songwriting credits. In fact, what you see in the credits of the albums doesn't even come close to telling the whole story.

Check this link:

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/love-shines-...-still-aroused/

That right there kind of flies in the face of your claim that Ed wrote TDTH doesn't it?

Here's some more links that throw your argument out the window. Are you ready?

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/brothers-una...n-and-13-other/

As for commercial success, sure SS didn't sell as well as TC, but it went platinum TWICE! That is not a flop in any sense of the word. Live was still relevant when TDTH came out because of that album.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Jul 10 2011, 11:46 am

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I am enjoying this thread.

Here's a hypothetical.....what if when we got MJ, TC &SS.....we got something even more rocking and emotional instead of what MCA agreed to as the final releases?

I think SS would have done better in the hands of Jerry Harrison. That album sounds so unenergetic on the production end of things.

[Pokey]

I guess that "stands to reason" if you are a person who knows absolute zilch about song credits and how they work. Here's a hint: the Paradiso credits have absolutely nothing to do with the original songwriting credits. In fact, what you see in the credits of the albums doesn't even come close to telling the whole story.

Check this link:

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/love-shines-...-still-aroused/

That right there kind of flies in the face of your claim that Ed wrote TDTH doesn't it?

Here's some more links that throw your argument out the window. Are you ready?

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/brothers-una...n-and-13-other/

As for commercial success, sure SS didn't sell as well as TC, but it went platinum TWICE! That is not a flop in any sense of the word. Live was still relevant when TDTH came out because of that album.

lol owned. Prepare to have this post ignored!

[OutToDry]

I think SS would have done better in the hands of Jerry Harrison. That album sounds so unenergetic on the production end of things.

hold that thought.

[OutToDry]

I guess that "stands to reason" if you are a person who knows absolute zilch about song credits and how they work. Here's a hint: the Paradiso credits have absolutely nothing to do with the original songwriting credits. In fact, what you see in the credits of the albums doesn't even come close to telling the whole story.

Check this link:

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/love-shines-...-still-aroused/

That right there kind of flies in the face of your claim that Ed wrote TDTH doesn't it?

Here's some more links that throw your argument out the window. Are you ready?

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/brothers-una...n-and-13-other/

As for commercial success, sure SS didn't sell as well as TC, but it went platinum TWICE! That is not a flop in any sense of the word. Live was still relevant when TDTH came out because of that album.

looks like Ed still gets publishing rights but he's been axed as copyright!!! That's telling in it's own right.

[Existentialist MD]

We're arguing with an autistic gym teacher. He has no friends in real life, and those that know him probably feel sorry for "that poor retarded guy." Stop feeding the troll!

[tiger]

I guess that "stands to reason" if you are a person who knows absolute zilch about song credits and how they work. Here's a hint: the Paradiso credits have absolutely nothing to do with the original songwriting credits. In fact, what you see in the credits of the albums doesn't even come close to telling the whole story.

Check this link:

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/love-shines-...-still-aroused/

That right there kind of flies in the face of your claim that Ed wrote TDTH doesn't it?

Here's some more links that throw your argument out the window. Are you ready?

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/brothers-una...n-and-13-other/

As for commercial success, sure SS didn't sell as well as TC, but it went platinum TWICE! That is not a flop in any sense of the word. Live was still relevant when TDTH came out because of that album.

Ha ha. I believe Eddie K may have done screwed himself.

[SJN1279]

I guess that "stands to reason" if you are a person who knows absolute zilch about song credits and how they work. Here's a hint: the Paradiso credits have absolutely nothing to do with the original songwriting credits. In fact, what you see in the credits of the albums doesn't even come close to telling the whole story.

Check this link:

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/love-shines-...-still-aroused/

That right there kind of flies in the face of your claim that Ed wrote TDTH doesn't it?

Here's some more links that throw your argument out the window. Are you ready?

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/brothers-una...n-and-13-other/

As for commercial success, sure SS didn't sell as well as TC, but it went platinum TWICE! That is not a flop in any sense of the word. Live was still relevant when TDTH came out because of that album.

As for song writing credits, why were they able to be changed on Paradiso?

I never called Secret Samahdi a flop, I called it a sales disappointment. I'm sure the guys from LIVE didn't expect to lose 6 million in sales on their follow-up to Throwing Copper.

[SJN1279]

Let's see your god Ed have the balls to start a new band, with a new sound, new type of music, new fans, and not rely on Live to get it off the ground. He'd get nowhere real fast. TGF did not bomb. You seem to be so keen on chart positions. Did you forget how good Appetite did on rock radio. We have no idea what they have planned for fall. They did pretty damn good all things considered.

Appetite did well on a very small rock radio format. However, the band did nothing to capatalize on that success and have barely toured since that point.