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[FishOutaWater]

Ed wrote all the lyrics and most of the music for LIVE. Whatever CCP come up with, will likely not sound like LIVE at all.

There is a huge part of what Live was of which you don't have any concept, and you don't have any idea about what it is that you don't know. And it doesn't help that you are drinking the Ed cool aide that Ed is serving you.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Ed wrote all the lyrics and most of the music for LIVE. Whatever CCP come up with, will likely not sound like LIVE at all.

That is just awful and so offensive to anyone who plays music. I mean really, your statement would be accurate if you were talking about TDTH and beyond, as you admitted, but those albums had none of the commercial success as the early albums did. I thought that was important to you?

In fact, I want to see you admit that. "When Ed became the sole music writer the band was not nearly as successful as it had been." Come on, you can do it, because it is the truth.

Oh, and here are some TGF tracks that could have easily been Live songs:

Honest Man (it WAS a Live song originally for God's sake)
Closer
Silly Thing
Nothing But Love
All I Hear
Trecedim

And you know what is funny about that statement, is that a lot of the other songs started out as guitar demos... wait for it... for LIVE!

Mind blown.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Jul 10 2011, 8:19 am

[SJN1279]

That is just awful and so offensive to anyone who plays music. I mean really, your statement would be accurate if you were talking about TDTH and beyond, as you admitted, but those albums had none of the commercial success as the early albums did. I thought that was important to you?

In fact, I want to see you admit that. "When Ed became the sole music writer the band was not nearly as successful as it had been." Come on, you can do it, because it is the truth.

Oh, and here are some TGF tracks that could have easily been Live songs:

Honest Man (it WAS a Live song originally for God's sake)
Closer
Silly Thing
Nothing But Love
All I Hear
Trecedim

And you know what is funny about that statement, is that a lot of the other songs started out as guitar demos... wait for it... for LIVE!

Mind blown.

On LIVE on the Paradiso, Chad Taylor only got credit for Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, Purifier, and Operation Spirit. So that stands to reason that Ed has more to do with creating Throwing Copper than the rest did. At least the hits songs of Throwing Copper.

When Ed became the sole writer the band wasn't as successful as it had been. However, the band was on a downward trajectory after Throwing Copper. The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

[Aitkens]

What about TDTH, which was mainly Ed. It is probably still my favorite LIVE album overall.

I'm not saying what CCP create won't be good, but it will be a departure from LIVE. Even The Gracious Few sounded much more like Candlebox than it did LIVE.

TDTH still had collaboration, it wasn't "The Ed Show". That being said, it's my 4th favorite.

As for TGF, it didn't really sound like Candlebox or Live, and that's what was great about it. The problem is you can't differentiate the sound of music, all you can hear is the voice of the singer.

[tiger]

What about TDTH, which was mainly Ed. It is probably still my favorite LIVE album overall.

I'm not saying what CCP create won't be good, but it will be a departure from LIVE. Even The Gracious Few sounded much more like Candlebox than it did LIVE.

You are really showing your ignorance and bias towards Ed. While the process of songwriting on TDTH did change with Ed writing a lot on his own before they got together to make TDTH, once they did get together they made music as usual. They just started with more Ed material but the end result is no less Live than their previous albums. Let's not forget Jerry Harrison, who Ed also has a problem working with. He was very instrumental in the Live sound as well. To think the TDTH would sound anything like or be as good as it was without C,C,P and Jerry is just ridiculous. It wasn't until BOP that Ed really enforced his will and basically muted their input. Jerry was also out of the picture at this time.

[SecretInsomnia]

It wasn't until BOP that Ed really enforced his will and basically muted their input. Jerry was also out of the picture at this time.

and I can see clearly now why

[SecretInsomnia]

The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

yeah, SS was such a aweful album, what a both creative and commercial disaster. I'm really happy they found their way back with albums like SFBM.

[OutToDry]

Don't worry nick, ed will get his credit where credit is due. But remember what we got on cd weren't the original song compositions.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jul 10 2011, 9:08 pm

[tiger]

When Ed became the sole writer the band wasn't as successful as it had been. However, the band was on a downward trajectory after Throwing Copper. The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

If you followed the band at that time you'd know that they made exactly the album they wanted to. They did not want TC 2. They made a very unique, much heavier album that still did very well and was well received by their core audience. It wasn't a flop at all. They retained their core audience and it wasn't until V that those fans started leaving. It's a shame considering V wasn't even intended to be released commercially. But they lost some core fans there and many, many more after BOP and SFBM. I think we all know why fans left at that point. That is, all of us except you.

[Hoodstock]

Ed wrote all the lyrics and most of the music for LIVE. Whatever CCP come up with, will likely not sound like LIVE at all.

As long as it doens't sound like post TDTH Live I will say Thank God For That!

[Pokey]

Ed wrote all the lyrics and most of the music for LIVE. Whatever CCP come up with, will likely not sound like LIVE at all.

Jesus fucking christ! The irony behind you once having bought a LIVE fansite is crazy considering you honestly are NOT a fan. You like Ed. That's it. You don't deserve music. I've said it before you strike me as the sort of person who would look over all the stats of a football game, read all the match reviews, worry about the trades and who will make the team better, but then when push comes to shove ... you don't watch the game itself.
All you care about is commercial success, money, chart placings, the front man ... but the music, fuck that! How you can call yourself a fan of Live is beyond me because to basically spit in the face of the accomplishments, achievements and importance of 3/4 of the band is sad.

Ed wrote all the lyrics and most of the music for the last few years of Live, and that is evident by the fact his solo album sounds exactly the same as that shit. CCP were much much more involved in the writing process in the 90s, hence why TGF's sound is closer to that of 90s Live. But of course you won't agree with that because the voice is different and the voice is all you hear.

oh and Nick, I posted this question to you before, but no answer, so I'm still curious to hear:

To me if it were Ed, CT and PD with a new drummer then that still isn't Live. Do you agree?

This post has been edited by Pokey: Jul 10 2011, 10:04 am

[OutToDry]

another ignorant, moving the goalpost analysis from SJN

When Ed became the sole writer the band wasn't as successful as it had been. However, the band was on a downward trajectory after Throwing Copper. The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

2 million platinum seller = a flop in Nick's eyes

You like to cherry pick anything to make yourself sound like you know something. You know nothing about the band you profess to love. You don't deserve to listen to music, youre only interested in defending Ed's honor and devotion.

[Hoodstock]

On LIVE on the Paradiso, Chad Taylor only got credit for Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, Purifier, and Operation Spirit. So that stands to reason that Ed has more to do with creating Throwing Copper than the rest did. At least the hits songs of Throwing Copper.

When Ed became the sole writer the band wasn't as successful as it had been. However, the band was on a downward trajectory after Throwing Copper. The band wrote most of Secret Samahdi together, and the album was a flop as a follow-up to Throwing Copper.

You do realize that SS was a number 1 album and the SS Tour was the best tour this band ever had!

Also - who cares about Paradiso, that album sucks.

[+Ed+]

I still wonder why Nick does not like the 90s stuff, composed by the whole band, while he likes the more Ed's solo stuff of the 00s, which brought much less money and sold poorly


Or is it a mischaracterisation?

[SJN1279]

another ignorant, moving the goalpost analysis from SJN



2 million platinum seller = a flop in Nick's eyes

You like to cherry pick anything to make yourself sound like you know something. You know nothing about the band you profess to love. You don't deserve to listen to music, youre only interested in defending Ed's honor and devotion.

After a 8 million seller, yes it was. Secret Samadhi's initial success was based on being a followup to Throwing Copper. It also was one on Live's more maligned albums critically.

I like Secret Samadhi, but it was a far from a success for Live and actually started their downward trajectory as a commercial band.