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[FishOutaWater]

He suffered for the human beings and their sins. That's what they say
If I ever get over to US, I hope you do not mind me buying you a pint or two, Fish.

I everyday thank universal powers who made me register on this board to meet the wonderful people among who you are, mate!

Thanks. It would be my honor to buy you a pint.

I know that the premise is that Jesus suffered and died for peoples sins. "He died so that sins may be forgiven". Where did that rule come from? It didn't exist before Jesus. It wasn't a rule within Judaism. People weren't waiting for that rule to be carried out. That premise is based on the 2,000 year old pagan concept of blood sacrifice. At the time of Jesus, people sacrificed animals to the Gods to get rain, avoid death by wars, etc. Also, the Jews conducted some animal sacrifice. They took goats to the temple and sacrificed them. That is the premise of Jesus substitutionary sacrifice for us and our sins. Jesus had to sacrifice his life for our sins. And now, if we believe the fact that he did it, we can be saved. A human blood sacrifice was required in order for our sins to be forgiven. It was God committing suicide really, because he was God and he could have stopped it and he didn't have to do it, he just wanted to for us. And the all powerful, unknowable creator of all things had to jump through these hoops and become Himself a human blood sacrifice so that he could forgive our sins, because they couldn't have been forgiven by him otherwise. But 2,000 years later, we know that the concept of blood sacrifice in order to gain favors is an intiquated concept. It doesn't make sense. But this orthodox Christian doctrine is firmly grounded in this out-dated, archaic concept of the necessity of blood sacrifice of animals. The "pascal lamb". This is my body and blood, which will be shed for you so that sins may be forgiven. It may have made sense to pagans 2,000 years ago but doesn't make any sense anymore. I believe in a philosophy of Christianity, but it is not this conventional orthodoxy.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jun 21 2011, 5:54 am

[Pokey]

Thanks. It would be my honor to buy you a pint.

I know that the premise is that Jesus suffered and died for peoples sins. "He died so that sins may be forgiven". Where did that rule come from? It didn't exist before Jesus. It wasn't a rule within Judaism. People weren't waiting for that rule to be carried out. That premise is based on the 2,000 year old pagan concept of blood sacrifice. At the time of Jesus, people sacrificed animals to the Gods to get rain, avoid death by wars, etc. Also, the Jews conducted some animal sacrifice. They took goats to the temple and sacrificed them. That is the premise of Jesus substitutionary sacrifice for us and our sins. Jesus had to sacrifice his life for our sins. And now, if we believe the fact that he did it, we can be saved. A human blood sacrifice was required in order for our sins to be forgiven. It was God committing suicide really, because he was God and he could have stopped it and he didn't have to do it, he just wanted to for us. And the all powerful, unknowable creator of all things had to jump through these hoops and become Himself a human blood sacrifice so that he could forgive our sins, because they couldn't have been forgiven by him otherwise. But 2,000 years later, we know that the concept of blood sacrifice in order to gain favors is an intiquated concept. It doesn't make sense. But this orthodox Christian doctrine is firmly grounded in this out-dated, archaic concept of the necessity of blood sacrifice of animals. The "pascal lamb". This is my body and blood, which will be shed for you so that sins may be forgiven. It may have made sense to pagans 2,000 years ago but doesn't make any sense anymore. I believe in a philosophy of Christianity, but it is not this conventional orthodoxy.

Now you're just mischaracterising everything!

[PurdueSteve]

Now you're just mischaracterising everything!

We need a LOLjesus user here too!!

[LolEd]

We need a LOLjesus user here too!!

LOL'ing at Ed and his music works perfectly fine for me.

[Hoodstock]

Thanks. It would be my honor to buy you a pint.

I know that the premise is that Jesus suffered and died for peoples sins. "He died so that sins may be forgiven". Where did that rule come from? It didn't exist before Jesus. It wasn't a rule within Judaism. People weren't waiting for that rule to be carried out. That premise is based on the 2,000 year old pagan concept of blood sacrifice. At the time of Jesus, people sacrificed animals to the Gods to get rain, avoid death by wars, etc. Also, the Jews conducted some animal sacrifice. They took goats to the temple and sacrificed them. That is the premise of Jesus substitutionary sacrifice for us and our sins. Jesus had to sacrifice his life for our sins. And now, if we believe the fact that he did it, we can be saved. A human blood sacrifice was required in order for our sins to be forgiven. It was God committing suicide really, because he was God and he could have stopped it and he didn't have to do it, he just wanted to for us. And the all powerful, unknowable creator of all things had to jump through these hoops and become Himself a human blood sacrifice so that he could forgive our sins, because they couldn't have been forgiven by him otherwise. But 2,000 years later, we know that the concept of blood sacrifice in order to gain favors is an intiquated concept. It doesn't make sense. But this orthodox Christian doctrine is firmly grounded in this out-dated, archaic concept of the necessity of blood sacrifice of animals. The "pascal lamb". This is my body and blood, which will be shed for you so that sins may be forgiven. It may have made sense to pagans 2,000 years ago but doesn't make any sense anymore. I believe in a philosophy of Christianity, but it is not this conventional orthodoxy.

You are only scratching the surface of the roots or Christianity and all religions. If you ever study religions of the ancient world you will see that many ideas (Heaven, Hell, Angels, Devil, ect..) of modern religions come from ancient peagan religions. For example the time of Easter matches up with ancient harvest festivals. Mary was not always a virgin, that developed during Roman times to combat the story that Ceasar was born of virgin birth. The list just goes on and on ....

People have always had a need for a way to explain the unexplainable.

My theory ... we all got here somehow. Whatever made it happen (deity, cosmic accident, aliens, science experiment, universal prank) is god.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Jun 21 2011, 7:03 pm

[jonesy]

Wow,that was really really bad! That body language was guilty as sin!

I almost felt embarrassed watching it,uneasy anyway

[LolEd]

Wow,that was really really bad! That body language was guilty as sin!

I almost felt embarrassed watching it,uneasy anyway

Gee, ya think? I showed this video to a friend of mine who is a criminal psychologist. Keep in mind he doesn't even remember who Live is let alone the situation regarding the band.

In his professional opinion, he concluded that Ed is not only guilty, but lacks a sense of what he called interpersonal trust perspective. He then went onto speak some psychological mumbo jumbo jargon.

Basically Ed is a lying crap of you know what but I think we all already knew that.