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[Merica]

It really depends who they got to replace Ed.

[SJN1279]

It really depends who they got to replace Ed.

I repeat it wouldn't be nearly as successful. You can't replace a lead singer with a distinct voice and strong stage presence easily. Especially a lead singer who wrote the lyrics to your entire catalogue of songs.

CCP with the lead singer of Candlebox wasn't successful from a commercial standpoint. CCP with a no name lead singer will be a really hard sell and it will be rejected as Live.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Apr 7 2011, 9:24 am

[Pokey]

I repeat it wouldn't be nearly as successful. You can't replace a lead singer with a distinct voice and strong stage presence easily. Especially a lead singer who wrote the lyrics to your entire catalogue of songs.

CCP with the lead singer of Candlebox wasn't successful from a commercial standpoint. CCP with a no name lead singer will be a really hard sell and it will be rejected as Live.

Lol the fact that we agree about this but for completely different reasons is so telling of your character and so fucking sad.

[OutToDry]

CCP with the lead singer of Candlebox wasn't successful from a commercial standpoint

It outsold Alive by miles according to what I've been told

Your jab at TGF about face is met with more dejection!!

[SJN1279]

It outsold Alive by miles according to what I've been told

Your jab at TGF about face is met with more dejection!!

The fact that TGF's album didn't chart overseas, says that is false. Plus correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Alive chart higher in the US than TGF's album?

If TGF was successful on any level, they wouldn't be trying to get Ed back in the fold.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Apr 7 2011, 9:35 am

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I repeat it wouldn't be nearly as successful. You can't replace a lead singer with a distinct voice and strong stage presence easily. Especially a lead singer who wrote the lyrics to your entire catalogue of songs.

CCP with the lead singer of Candlebox wasn't successful from a commercial standpoint. CCP with a no name lead singer will be a really hard sell and it will be rejected as Live.

A Live record with a different singer would be 10 times better than SFBM, and I bet it would sell better too.

[Merica]

I'm sure TGF being successful and the guys wanting to get back with Ed could co-exist.

[Pokey]

If TGF was successful on any level, they wouldn't be trying to get Ed back in the fold.

And people wonder why you cop so much shit... It's because of moronic comments like this.
Does your "any level" of success also include personal success and happiness and creative success? Artistic success? In these areas TGF would count themselves very successful.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Apr 7 2011, 9:43 am

[SJN1279]

And people wonder why you cop so much shit... It's because of moronic comments like this.
Does your "any level" of success also include personal success and happiness and creative success? Artistic success? In these areas TGF would count themselves very successful.

That is fair, I was talking any commercial level(album sales, touring,.
etc). I should have specified.

[Sakhmet2]

Decline in Ed's vocal chord functionality I'd say is probably mostly attributable to strain from constant screaming Pre-V, much more than singing falsetto post TDTH. In fact, I think his decision to sing more falsetto was a result of his voice having lost his scream/edge. I think it is especially apparent that he didn't lose his voice due to falsetto because his vocals, to me, were weaker on each successive album after TC.

I remember hearing that falsetto/tenor/countertenor is easier on the chords than baritone, so it's doubtful that they could harm his voice.

There is no certainty that Live would have made more than 4 great albums if the band collaborated. I definitely am saying that Ed was at least a critical component in the songwriting throughout Live's career.

Going back to the 4 great albums:
Well, I'd like to throw The Beatles into the mix. Obviously they produced many more than 4, each getting better than the one before.
This was not necessarily the result of collaboration within the band. John and Paul basically stopped writing together very early on, IIRC. However, they continued to be a sounding board for each other in the studio for a while. Until it all fell apart, as chronicled in the Let It Be movie. It's obvious in retrospect that they needed George Martin as a collaborator. He was the one that held it together because he collaborated with them individually as well as collectively.

So, what producer/collaborator could keep it together for a re-formed Live?

[OutToDry]

The fact that TGF's album didn't chart overseas, says that is false. Plus correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Alive chart higher in the US than TGF's album?

If TGF was successful on any level, they wouldn't be trying to get Ed back in the fold.

You're stepping into this one.



It think it was only 2 positions difference, so to you that is a win, but in reality over the longer haul who’s record was more successful, I know the truth. I can’t tell you the numbers, but I know TGF outsold. I am sure if you we find out how it’s selling in Europe now that they’ve played there, it might end up being comparable.

[Aitkens]

That is fair, I was talking any commercial level(album sales, touring,.
etc). I should have specified.

We all knew what the hell you were talking about. Obviously it was about money.

[Pokey]

That is fair, I was talking any commercial level(album sales, touring,.
etc). I should have specified.

And fair enough to talk about that, but given their success in other areas and that they're happy you cant possibly say the only reason they are open to the idea of working with Ed again is financial. Of course live would be more commercially successful than both acts (although still not much in the grand sheme of things), but you got to entertain the fact that there are other factors at play in the motivation. You would have to admit that you're very commercially driven, you'd also have to plainly see that many people on this board don't think that way. So is it such a stretch to believe that TGF think the way we do and not the way you do?

[Merica]

Anybody who values real artistry puts TGF above Ed. Obviously.

[Sakhmet2]

As much as I love the music of the boys I just don't think the can carry a whole album of instrumental music the way they write. They write songs. Songs that need vocals.