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[tiger]

Or Ed grew apart.

Fixed it for you. Now I'd like to know how that makes them need him more.

[Pokey]

Would also like to know from Nick why he thinks it's so shocking and disgraceful for CCP to have had one opinion of Ed awhile ago and then have their opinion change when Nick basically did the exact same thing. Nick was never Ed's biggest fan, he had a period of being quite disgruntled with Ed. Part of the whole drama with SOY. Obviously things changed around and Nick's opinion changed. Which is fine, but he should grant CCP the same courtesy.

[Gruno]

So you're saying a Christian can forgive, so if he can forgive that still doesn't mean he has to go back to Live. Like I mentioned where are the shout outs to TGF? Where is his acknowledgement of them? Forgiving them doesn't mean he has to go back to Live. So if he's such a great Christian, where is his Christian spirit?

Why does Ed have to respond publicly?

You challenge his "Christian spirit" as if you know what Ed is doing or what he has gone through internally. You have no idea what any of them are going through or have gone through. Just because you do not see a public declaration from Ed doesn't mean anything: pro or con.

I admit I'm a bit baffled as to why CCP are starting up about this now. But I'm not going to be as ignorant as you and pretend I know all the answers.

Yes, you do not know all the answers. That is FACT.

You don't have all the answers from this and for the Gracey/Taylor/Patrick side or from Ed's side. Chances are very great that you will never get answers. So then, what are you going to do if you don't have all the answers? Berate SJN further as the online scapegoat? Continue to chest-pound in a gorilla-like manner on a message board so all can know your stance on the situation between CCP vs Ed?

It appears speculation is all many have to go on concerning the LIVE debacle (including SJN1279), so why go on and on about things you (and many) have no clue about?

[smellthecoffee]

Some of you folks need to stop piling on poor Nick. OTD, Pokey, and that Aitkens fellow.....and hmmm the poor soul Ex. Make nice nicey and have some tasty beans. Life is too short.

[Gruno]

Some of you folks need to stop piling on poor Nick. OTD, Pokey, and that Aitkens fellow.....and hmmm the poor soul Ex. Make nice nicey and have some tasty beans. Life is too short.

Agreed. It's a major reason why I only check back here every few weeks or so.

It would be sickening to see these arguments in person with the berating and name-calling. I would hope some are embarrassed by their behavior here.

[Aitkens]

I'm not embarrassed at all. I'm a shoot from the hip, tell it like it is type of person. A few people have met me at TGF shows, so they can tell you if I'm an asshole or a good guy.

[Pokey]

Why does Ed have to respond publicly?

You challenge his "Christian spirit" as if you know what Ed is doing or what he has gone through internally. You have no idea what any of them are going through or have gone through. Just because you do not see a public declaration from Ed doesn't mean anything: pro or con.

Of course we can't say 100% for sure that Ed hasn't used his Christian Powers and forgiven them in private. But really all signs point to the more likely scenario that he hasn't. If he had then I think the public dynamic and demenor of both parties would be rather different to how it currently is. Just science of deduction.

Yes, you do not know all the answers. That is FACT.

None of us do, but I'm willing to explore and entertain different schools of thought rather than focus on the ecconomic side of things only like some do.

You don't have all the answers from this and for the Gracey/Taylor/Patrick side or from Ed's side. Chances are very great that you will never get answers. So then, what are you going to do if you don't have all the answers? Berate SJN further as the online scapegoat? Continue to chest-pound in a gorilla-like manner on a message board so all can know your stance on the situation between CCP vs Ed?

lol "SJN" as an online scapegoat. That doesn't even make sense in the context of this. Nick isn't a whipping boy for Ed. People have their issues with Nick as his own identity, not just an offshoot of a dislike for Ed. He's not a scapegoat, he's a separate entity all together. As long as the guy continues to come out with ridiculous unfounded statements then he's going to have people come down on him for it. There is a long history to this, it's not simply a difference of opinion between 2 parties. Nick definitely has an agenda and it rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

The beauty of message boards is that people say things that they would never say in person unless they had a few beers and really let loose.

I come here for the drama.

[Pokey]

The beauty of message boards is that people say things that they would never say in person unless they had a few beers and really let loose.

I come here for the drama.

I couldn't even imagine being in any of these conversations in person. I guess because I just never personally physically interact with anyone that is really a Live fan very often it's something I'd rarely talk about other than here on a message board.

In the grand scheme of things and life this all really isn't a big deal. I used to think that in the early days the differences with Nick were skin deep and in the end I could still share a beer or something with him in person. But we're obviously such opposite people in not just this situation but in many facets that we'd not get along and that wouldn't happen. I'm sure the feeling is more than mutual with him towards me. But that being said I would never wish ill will upon him, I couldn't imagine actually carrying on an argument in person with him. It would be more civil to raise a glass and say cheers and then go our separate ways.

But hey online when this is an open forum specifically catered towards the topic, then let sparks fly. I don't think anyone here try's to play the Internet tough guy card ..... maybe Liverocks77, but that's his style and its awesomely hilarious.

[Gruno]

Nick definitely has an agenda and it rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Yet, you and many propel that (alleged) agenda and make it valid by continuing to respond and further continuing the game even when he doesn't respond or take the bait.

I guess I am just not into the drama that some here crave and feel the need to be involved with.

[Pokey]

Yet, you and many propel that (alleged) agenda and make it valid by continuing to respond and further continuing the game even when he doesn't respond or take the bait.

I guess I am just not into the drama that some here crave and feel the need to be involved with.

As I said, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Comments towards Ed aren't just there for him to "take the bate", they're in jokes that amuse a few of us here. He doesn't respond when people have him completely beat on ridiculous points he makes.

The drama can be entertaining. Lighten up

[OutToDry]

I have no ill will towards Ed anymore. He alone can decide if he wants to make things right. I have softened my stance big time. I can't stand the verbal onslaught and sheer fucking bullshit spewed by the former moderator of this site. I know it's simply his opinion but it's very inflamatory, ill willed and unfounded.

[tiger]

I love how Ed's silence is somehow portrayed as him being above C,C, and P. If he is truly as unresponsive and silent as appears, it is a sign that he is not ready to acknowledge his part in what happened. It's not a healthy or natural position to take. If that is the case then he could use someone around him to help keep it real. Many in Ed's camp continue to try to hold him up to some godlike status, when in reality he's human as well. Yet, recognizing his flaws seems to be so difficult to those who idolize him and to Ed himself.

[Existentialist]

Some of you folks need to stop piling on poor Nick. OTD, Pokey, and that Aitkens fellow.....and hmmm the poor soul Ex. Make nice nicey and have some tasty beans. Life is too short.

Sometimes people need to hear how fucked up they are and how much of a douchebag tool they look like before embarrassing themselves further. I know several nice older women who have had the misfortune of meeting him and they have all expressed to me that they can't stand the guy and feel very sorry for his wife. I also know that if LIVE reunites, he won't be permitted at their shows. That's how LIVE feels about him. As for my being the poor soul? If you only knew. My life couldn't be any richer, son!

[Gruno]

I have no ill will towards Ed anymore. He alone can decide if he wants to make things right.

I'll get to this in a moment...

I can't stand the verbal onslaught and sheer fucking bullshit spewed by the former moderator of this site. I know it's simply his opinion but it's very inflamatory, ill willed and unfounded.

Unfounded.

So, then the verbal onslaught spewed about Ed on this message board concerning the lawsuit is unfounded also since Ed has not responded publicly to the lawsuit or the claims levied by Chad Taylor. Since Ed has not replied, there is no side to take since the full story is not public.

I guess I just don't see how there can be arguments that are based on speculation.

As for Ed's silence: Don't read anything further into it. Why does Ed need to say anything publicly? Why does he have to address this at all publicly? Why should he be chastised for handling things the way he sees fit? When did this ALL become public record? Yes, the lawsuit filing is public and those records are understandable, but just because someone is silent does not mean those allegations are true (or false) --- it just means that person chooses to not air things publicly, for good or bad.

Some here have applauded Chad Taylor for "wearing his heart on his sleeve" and being very "passionate" with his public messages. Ed's silence isn't looked at as "he is showing great restraint by not responding" or "He must also be hurting through this all". No. What we get with the majority here is just how "silence must mean guilt" and "of course he can't respond because he is a d*ck".