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[Existentialist]

But he isn't, because he can no longer steal all their money. Owned!

[OutToDry]

That would warrant a 24/7 fansoflive online chat

I've heard through the grapevine................nah

[tiger]

I wonder what the reaction of this board would have been if Ed was the one trying to reunite Live?

It would be met with a tremendous amount of skepticism, and rightly so. He hasn't said jack squat about anything. How about acknowledging your former bandmates and lifelong friends sometime. He wrested control of Live then went solo so he'd have a lot of explaining to do.

This post has been edited by tiger: Apr 2 2011, 10:05 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I wonder what the reaction of this board would have been if Ed was the one trying to reunite Live?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it would get the same reaction from me.

[Existentialist]

He does have a lot of explaining to do. Fortunately, he'll get his chance in federal court soon. What a fucking con artist.

[Bremang]

He does have a lot of explaining to do. Fortunately, he'll get his chance in federal court soon. What a fucking con artist.

well.....state court.

[Existentialist]

Tru

[Bremang]

Why the fuck has this action has not progressed?

Something should have happened by now. It has been almost 8 months since Ed’s answer was filed. We should have seen some sort of motion, or anything in the minutes that would indicate activity.


CCP had demanded a jury trial for all claims triable in their complaint, and Ed did not explain why CCP had not stated a claim for which relief could be granted, or show any reason to back his other affirmative defenses. Either pre-trial discovery with summary judgment, or an actual trial are the likely results.

It seems possible that there are things happening that will not be seen on SCROLL or NYSCEF.

From the New York State Supreme Court website:

SUMMARY OF COURTHOUSE PROCEDURES (http://www.nycourts.gov/supctmanh/CourtHouse_Procedures.htm) which led me to an interesting section at the bottom called:

XVI. SPECIAL COURTHOUSE PROCEDURES FOR E-FILED CASES

Under REVISED E-FILING RULES FOR SUPREME COURT CASES
(Effective April 26, 2010), there is a link to Uniform Rule 202.5-b (Consensual Program)

This is where you can see special rules for those who consensually file their claims through E-Filing, which is the case for CCP's claim (E-filing only became mandatory starting March 2011.)

And if you scroll down to page 15, you'll see section (j) says:

(j) Electronic Filing of Discovery Materials.

In any action subject to e-filing, parties and non-parties producing materials in response to discovery demands may enter into a stipulation authorizing the electronic filing of discovery responses and discovery materials to the degree and upon terms and conditions set forth in the stipulation. In the absence of such a stipulation, no party shall file electronically any such materials except in the form of excerpts, quotations, or selected exhibits from such materials as part of motion papers, pleading or other filings with the court.

I think that maybe when you read the docket for this case, and see where it says "STIPULATION", both parties had agreed to not let discoverable materials enter into the docket. That is one good reason why we might not have seen anything update on SCROLL or elsewhere. It is too bad, because had there been no stipulation, we would have been able to see excerpts of this "secret contract", which is no doubt discoverable and relevant to the claims being made.

Also, the action might not have proceeded on SCROLL because of (k)

[(k) Copyright, Confidentiality[, And] and Other Proprietary Rights:]

It basically says that if either party can convince the court that a document is confidential, or that electronic filing would result in substantial prejudice to those rights or interests, then they could prevent E-filing of these documents.

Still, just because documents have not been E-Filed does not necessarily mean that there might not be more documents open to the public. One possible reason for that is because E-Filing seems to function as a means of notice or due process, as it sends out a notification to the registered E-mails of both parties, automatically and immediately after a document is uploaded and available. One would have to go to the NY Supreme Court Records building and sit down at one of their public computers or speak to a clerk to see if there is anything else available.

http://www.nycourts.gov/supctmanh/county_clerk_records.htm

"Documents in cases that have been commenced by means of the New York State Courts Electronic Filing System ("NYSCEF") or that have been converted to e-filed status may be examined in the NYSCEF system at www.nycourts.gov/efile. There are some limits on availability of these documents (in general, some might be subject to a sealing order as described above and others may be viewable at the courthouse)."

So the NYS supreme court is governed procedurally by the Civil Practice Law and Rules. If anyone knows law, I would greatly appreciate some explanation as to how a civil action can come to a complete hault after an answer is filed. What are the statute of limitations for this sort of scenario? What is the next step exactly and how much time would CCP have to act?

Here are the Civil Practice Law Rules of NY if you want to figure it out.

http://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2006/...tice-law-rules/

This post has been edited by Bremang: Apr 3 2011, 3:55 am

[jayda]

I dunno, Ed's a bit embarrassing these days. It's hard to imagine him fronting Live the way he is now.

The only way I see him ever wanting to 'reunite' is if he's short of money.

[Pokey]

I don't believe CT or the guys hate Ed at this point, music is an emotional business and these kinds of things always come and go.

However, Ed's direction hasn't changed. The huge amount of contrast between him and the rest of the band is still present, so it is hard to imagine a reunion going very well at all.

I don't want to see CT stomping and grimacing through LJ while Ed sings the lyrics with a huge smile on his face. I'll pass, thanks.

I agree here. If they get back together for touring purposes only and decide to stay out of the studio then seeing them perform STD where Ed is singing the lines "Hey now we won't be raped" with a great big looking face ... the magic is gone. Sure the musical performance would be 100% better than his current backing band is doing, but the song would just seem soulless.

I've laid out the set of circumstances that would have to happen for me to be positively interested in a reunion. Of course the guys can do what they want, but if it reeks of disengenuine performances/motives or circa SFBM album writing then count me out.

Live ending was like a mercy killing. TGF emerging has given me what I was looking for from Live for so many years. Before TGF I guess I hung on because there was nothing better on offer from them and it was hard to cut the emotional attachments. But now that's done. Of course gun to my head if a Live reunion meant getting back Ed circa 1995 then I'll take it over KM. But I honestly can't see it, nor expect it to happen. So I'm not going to help support, nor fight against a Live reunion. I'll just let whatever happens happen and judge it from there.

I wonder what the reaction of this board would have been if Ed was the one trying to reunite Live?

If he was wanting to reunite Live because he genuinely found the spark he had in the mid 90s and wanted to rekindle his writing partnership with the guys and missed putting in the performances he did in the mid 90s, then I'd be skeptical but I would welcome it. But given Ed's character I couldn't see that being the case. He seems to genuinely think that Grace is a "return to the mid 90s" ... if he thinks that then we aren't getting that old Ed back. So regardless of who wants to initiate the reunion my thoughts on the reunion would be the same.

In some ways I'd rather them continue their own things but I can't deny it would be nice seeing them on amicable terms. It would be nice to see Ed giving a shout out to people to get down and see TGF and vice versa. There would be a quiet artistic dignity about knowing that they're all in a space where working together wouldn't produce the same magic it used to. But knowing they were able to repair a broken friendship would be a nice thing.

I know that Nick thinks that Ed shouldn't do this because CT and CG ripped on him publicly. I still maintain there was nothing wrong with that. But really, where is this Christian forgiveness from Ed to forgive his brothers for speaking out and give them a shout out?
Surely he couldn't be bullshitting this whole Christian act could he??

[Aitkens]

Surely he couldn't be bullshitting this whole Christian act could he??

No he is. Like you stated, surely a good Christian would forgive one another, and offer peace and good will. He chooses to ignore, not offer peace and good will.

[SJN1279]

I know that Nick thinks that Ed shouldn't do this because CT and CG ripped on him publicly. I still maintain there was nothing wrong with that.

But there is something wrong with someone not wanting to run back to front a band who's members ripped him publicly?

The truth is they need Ed more than Ed needs them.

[OutToDry]

No Nick, the real truth is the other way around. Who told you this, Ed himself? How often do you talk to him personally? Seriously? Are just a phantom internet presence on his facebook page looking for fame and reputation, are you in the employ? Do fess up because you're part of the problem.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

But there is something wrong with someone not wanting to run back to front a band who's members ripped him publicly?

The truth is they need Ed more than Ed needs them.

To the first part, no, of course not.

To the second part, saying something is "the truth" doesn't make it so. That's just your opinion.

[Pokey]

But there is something wrong with someone not wanting to run back to front a band who's members ripped him publicly?

The truth is they need Ed more than Ed needs them.

No there isn't anything wrong with that. You seemed to ignore the rest of my post. I am not saying Ed is wrong for not wanting to get back together with CCP. If all he is going to do is bring them back down to the level they were all at circa 2005 then I'm more than happy for him to continue ignoring them.

I don't think anyone "needs" anyone else. You're way too fucking smug thinking that the others are lost puppies without Ed. There's a big difference between needing to get back together with Ed and wanting to get back with him. As I stated before, I don't actively support the move, I'd rather a 1st rate TGF than a 2nd rate Live at this point in time.
But also I'm 100% certain that if Live did reunite then that would definitely not be the death of TGF.

Back to my point of, what do you make of Ed not forgiving the guys vs his new found Christian faith? Stuck between a rock and a hard place on that one huh!