"I'm not a christian, but it feels good to be in The Chapel", Ed Kowalczyk Options

[FishOutaWater]

Not true, people are the root of all evil. The unfortunate thing for organised religion is that it is FULL of them.
I've enjoyed reading all these posts on both sides, it's becoming a more civilised sequel to "gotigrz's Christianity topic".

To get back on topic - does anyone have the videos from the Live at Chapel show?...

Wambalang's post is hilareous.


And good point about people. That is why Krishnamurti and Mental Jewelry are so compelling. Get out of the way of pure consciousness and allow all notions and conditioning and beliefs that have attached to your thoughts like bugs on a windshield just fall away. That is the damage that people do. Through religion. Through politics. Poets and preachers and politicians, they've all had their way. 10,000 years devoted to nothing but tomorrows and yesterdays. Peace [God] is now. When you are "Alone" (i.e. free from all of the corruption that the conditioning of your life has caked onto your mind) then you can truly see and experience and offer love. "I Alone love you". That's the theory anyway. And that's what I Alone means.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Mar 29 2011, 5:06 pm

[Sonic Tonic]

i believe that his beliefs were genuine, but i don't believe that what his beliefs were in were genuine. like, i believe that a muslim genuinely believes in the word of the quran, but i don't believe that the quran is qenuine.

and, my argument of Christianity as just being different... well, actually i believe that Christianity is different... i believe it to be different because i believe it to be genuine. and, for that.. i believe when someone TRULY becomes a believer in It.... it sticks.
Christians... all of them... do bad things every day... it's called sin. i think a lot of people that don't agree with Christianity think that Christians walk around with this "holier than thou" attitude that we do no wrong... let me be the first to raise my "red right hand" and say that i am guilty of sinning every day. but, that doesn't make me any less of a Christian. being a Christian isn't about anything that i've done good or bad.... it's about me accepting the fact that Jesus did no wrong, yet died for all that i have done wrong. and, when i say "died for"... i mean "make atonement".

I don't believe that a q is a g and that's a fact (man I hope no one brought this up. I didn't read the rest of the thread)

[Sonic Tonic]

This is what fascinates me. Every religion then is "believing in the unseen". How does one person decide which unseen makes more sense than another? What makes one set of billions of people different from another set? Some people insist they have spoken with God. Other people insist they have spoken to Allah. How can they both be so right? Why is in the eyes of some is one person right and another wrong.

To me, no God speaks to any person because I believe there is no God, no Allah, no Buddha, no Krishnu, no Jahovah, no Zenu or whoever. I believe they're all equally wrong. But they all believe just as much as each other in such completely different things.

Pokey. Really there is no hope for these logical statements in these blind eyes some of these people have. Billions of them. How controlled and brain dead there are so many in this day and age is beyond comprehension. This world would progress and prosper if not for the Religious laws. Like Don't kill in the name of GOD. Oh wait.... I think that one went out the window the day it was made.

[Sonic Tonic]

Steve,
You are completely right, I stated that your beliefs were your opinion. I apologize for that. Your beliefs are just that, your beliefs.

Christianity is exclusive. I believe it is the only way. Therefore, I believe your beliefs are wrong. That is hard to say sometimes but it is part of what we believe. It doesn't make me happy to believe you are wrong. I don't think I'm better than you or smarter than you. Its just what I believe.

And this is what creates wars. Sorry to be blunt but this is fucking it. (well at least the ones casues by religious beliefs, most of them) YOU ARE WRONG ! NO I AM RIGHT! NO YOU"RE NOT.... and then the bullets spray. /thread closed. God love us all lol.

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[tiger]

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This post has been edited by tiger: Mar 29 2011, 6:31 pm

[Bremang]

Organized religion is the root of all evil. It appalls me.

I was out hiking last year in the Adirondacks and and there was a Christian group consisting of 5-10 boys at the summit. They were singing and praising the beautiful day and being very grateful. I see nothing wrong with that sort of aspect in organized religion. I understand that finding God has statistically lead to a happier life, even if it seems like some people are just tricking themselves. So there is at least some very good things about it. Just gotta weed out those who use it for evil.

[Aitkens]

I was out hiking last year in the Adirondacks and and there was a Christian group consisting of 5-10 boys at the summit. They were singing and praising the beautiful day and being very grateful. I see nothing wrong with that sort of aspect in organized religion. I understand that finding God has statistically lead to a happier life, even if it seems like some people are just tricking themselves. So there is at least some very good things about it. Just gotta weed out those who use it for evil.

The problem is that there are entirely too many people using their god in the name of evil. Look at the news, look at just about every major conflict, it's all based on their belief in god.

If we didn't have organized religion, people wouldn't have such hatred for others that worship another organized religion. It's all a complete crock of shit. Really, its a crutch. If you need something to lean on and claim that's why you don't do this or that, good for you. I look at it as some pretty simple guidelines. Follow the laws, follow the moral code. That's all it is. Religion, boiled down, is just fancy stories telling you about societies moral codes.

[Sonic Tonic]

I was out hiking last year in the Adirondacks and and there was a Christian group consisting of 5-10 boys at the summit. They were singing and praising the beautiful day and being very grateful. I see nothing wrong with that sort of aspect in organized religion. I understand that finding God has statistically lead to a happier life, even if it seems like some people are just tricking themselves. So there is at least some very good things about it. Just gotta weed out those who use it for evil.

Cool. I mean the Adirondacks. I'll be hitting up the McIntyre range this summer for the first time. Doing a road trip with some buddies from Kitchener Ontario here. Very excited. I find God in nature not in books written and perverted by people. And my meaning of God is quite vague. Nature is God. If I'm gonna believe in a God then that is it. But it still ain't something out there judging me and telling me what to do/believe.

[Bremang]

The problem is that there are entirely too many people using their god in the name of evil. Look at the news, look at just about every major conflict, it's all based on their belief in god.

If we didn't have organized religion, people wouldn't have such hatred for others that worship another organized religion. It's all a complete crock of shit. Really, its a crutch. If you need something to lean on and claim that's why you don't do this or that, good for you. I look at it as some pretty simple guidelines. Follow the laws, follow the moral code. That's all it is. Religion, boiled down, is just fancy stories telling you about societies moral codes.

But even if there was no religion, then I believe these divided masses would simply be bound by their societies moral codes, which would then be exploited for evil. Evil has been around before religion. And as long as people tend to congregate, and someone evil wants to steer them, there will be a tool to make this happen. Ideally, we ought not to denounce a tool for its potential misuse.

[rodrigolll2]

This discussion reminded me of the following lyrics

And although we were very thirsty
I question the oasis
And although we were very lonely
I question the woman's love
Question the gods above

Susquehanna. Great stuff.

[tiger]

This thread reminded me of one of my favorite Seinfeld episodes, where Puddy is a Christian.

[rodrigolll2]

This thread reminded me of one of my favorite Seinfeld episodes, where Puddy is a Christian.

LOL, Seinfled is my religion!

[Bremang]

Cool. I mean the Adirondacks. I'll be hitting up the McIntyre range this summer for the first time. Doing a road trip with some buddies from Kitchener Ontario here. Very excited. I find God in nature not in books written and perverted by people. And my meaning of God is quite vague. Nature is God. If I'm gonna believe in a God then that is it. But it still ain't something out there judging me and telling me what to do/believe.

The Daaakks. Enjoy, hope you have good weather. I imagine there's plenty of similarly awesome climbs near where you are as well. From that range I have done Algonquin and Marshall years ago, great times. I got about half of the 46'ers down last time I checked. I also think a walk out there should usually be better than a trip to church.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Mar 29 2011, 11:23 pm

[+Ed+]

I did not read the whole thread, I can not take any of this christianity bullshit for pages and pages anymore, sorry guys.

But you know what stroke me? Every second post says that Christianity took our Ed frmo our Liev and made him a greedy bastard that sings Top with a grin.

NO

NO FUCKING WAY

It is not christianity that did it to him!

How can you not see that all this god-water-christ-christianity-kids-etc etc etc bullshit is simply a MASK! This way Ed only wanted to gain new potential listeners from christian rock ... errr... gangs or audiences or whatever you call them. I am sure he can say whatever he wants, on christianity, on finding his way etc etc but in MOST religions in the world SWITCHING religion is the biggest fucking sin, bigger than fucking your neghbour's wife while your kids are playing nearby or bigger than committing a suicide!

Does anyone not see it as a marketing promotion?

Damn, guys, come on!

We can dwell forever on the topic, but please guys leave the baldy alone and stop feeding the trolls =)

[Pokey]

Wambalang's post is hilareous.
And good point about people. That is why Krishnamurti and Mental Jewelry are so compelling. Get out of the way of pure consciousness and allow all notions and conditioning and beliefs that have attached to your thoughts like bugs on a windshield just fall away. That is the damage that people do. Through religion. Through politics. Poets and preachers and politicians, they've all had their way. 10,000 years devoted to nothing but tomorrows and yesterdays. Peace [God] is now. When you are "Alone" (i.e. free from all of the corruption that the conditioning of your life has caked onto your mind) then you can truly see and experience and offer love. "I Alone love you". That's the theory anyway. And that's what I Alone means.

I dare you to see if you can write something so in depth and thought provoking like that about songs on Alive!