TGF to play in studio at WZZO 95.1 Allentown PA, Tuesday 2/15/2011 Options

[rock4adiference]

Wow. This is all very interesting. Personally I would hate to see Live get back together. That is done as far as I'm concerned and it's time to move on. I don't know how there could possibly be any going back after all of the things that were said and done. I mean forgiving is one thing but getting back in the band that made you miserable for the past several years and supposedly squashed your passion, etc, etc just seems wrong to me. I can't imagine any circumstance where I would actually want to hear any new Live music unless everyone collaborated. That being said, I really don't think Ed has it in him anymore to make good music with the rest of the guys. I really don't! I'd rather just have TGF go on and see what happens. That band has evoked things in me that I thought were long past dead as far as music goes. I would hate to see them throw it all away to go back to something that is so totally lackluster.

Well said! I was thinking the same thing. It's kind of like you're in this great relationship, loving every second of it, why would you want to go back to your abusive ex. They would be miserable and I can't imagine the writing sessions would be as fulfilling as they are with TGF. Sometimes you just have to let sleeping dogs lie.

[OutToDry]

Right. I guess when Chad initiates the possibility of Live and Ed together, two days in a row, you can't help but consider what would happen if Live were back together, and how that relates to everything else he's said, and all the problems that go along with a reunion.


Maybe hes just saying this because he needs Ed to be seen in a favorable light again in order to sell some Live stuff.

[Aitkens]

I would be willing to bet that CCP are doing just fine. KM is likely doing well enough as well. The one with the least financial security would be Sean. That being said, I would have to think that they wanted some financial backing for this tour, so that they weren't footing the bill for the entire thing. Obviously, they were able to pull it off without having to pay for the entire thing out of pocket. Why pay for the entire tour out of pocket, when you can find investors and sponsors? It just makes sense getting someone else to help pay for the tour.

[zmanpga]

alot of wild imaginations here

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Unlike TGF, Ed can tour solo with a guitar and his touring manager. He also had very well attended tours in Europe and Australia and posted a lot of sell outs last year.

Both NY shows for Open Wings Broken Strings in March will likely sell out by showtime.

His band has 5 members just like TGF, but he doesn't have to give equal splits as they are his backing band.

Why in God's name did he sell his house and take up pedaling coffee and pendants then? Surely you realize that there is a disconnect between what you are saying and the reality of the situation.

Let me break down your post a little to make sure I'm getting it right:

Open Wings, Broken Strings - 3 artists of near the same popularity and then split with the promoters, not as much $$$ as you would think.

Acoustic shows - Ed can do this, you are right about that, but promoters don't pay out for acoustic shows like they do full band shows. Cost is much lighter, but as a result the pay becomes more or less equal to a full band show.

Full band - Yes, Ed doesn't have to split even with his "backing band." Why do you think he would even bother getting back together with Live then? You have been the one screaming "reunion" but that makes little to no sense if he is able to pull in tons of money with his little "backing band."

You are spot on about one thing - Ed did sell out last year. No wait, that was way back in 2001.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I would be willing to bet that CCP are doing just fine. KM is likely doing well enough as well. The one with the least financial security would be Sean. That being said, I would have to think that they wanted some financial backing for this tour, so that they weren't footing the bill for the entire thing. Obviously, they were able to pull it off without having to pay for the entire thing out of pocket. Why pay for the entire tour out of pocket, when you can find investors and sponsors? It just makes sense getting someone else to help pay for the tour.

Yep, Sean really seems to give a fuck about money, too.

[Bremang]

live sold out in 1991

[OutToDry]

Radioactive was a third party record company when they signed, it got gobbled up and then as time went on, their say was less and less.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I don't think signing with a record company is "selling out." Back then it was the only way to make a living playing music.

I would define "selling out" as crafting your music to fit with the current trends. To me, at least, that was V with its rap/rock emphasis and pop production. I won't deny the band's role in that, but I recall Ed pushing that angle really hard in interviews around the time.

[OutToDry]

[donno]

I'm wondering if he sold the house because his third kid is on the way.

Congrats Ned! When is your due date?

[Bremang]

I don't think signing with a record company is "selling out." Back then it was the only way to make a living playing music.

I would define "selling out" as crafting your music to fit with the current trends. To me, at least, that was V with its rap/rock emphasis and pop production. I won't deny the band's role in that, but I recall Ed pushing that angle really hard in interviews around the time.

Haha yeah there are all different standards out there. The purest would probably be the moment an artist compromises for money. I don't blame anyone for making of money off music, even if its not what they want to do. Sounds no different from millions of other jobs out there that people accept. You never know, Live might have been trying to ride the trend since day one. Chad claimed to not even know any of Ed's lyrics. Back in the day I'm sure that many considered being on MTV as a sign of selling out.

[Bremang]

Congrats Ned! When is your due date?

hahah wouldn't that be Bed in this case? I have no idea when his wife is due. He said at the new years show that hes got one on the way.

I had no idea that Chad had 3 girls. Maybe Ed and Chad can bring all their girls and hang out together in the courtyard.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Feb 18 2011, 7:18 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Haha yeah there are all different standards out there. The purest would probably be the moment an artist compromises for money. I don't blame anyone for making of money off music, even if its not what they want to do. Sounds no different from millions of other jobs out there that people accept. You never know, Live might have been trying to ride the trend since day one. Chad claimed to not even know any of Ed's lyrics. Back in the day I'm sure that many considered being on MTV as a sign of selling out.

I'm sure there were some, but Nirvana was huge on MTV and I don't think anyone would call them a "sell out" band. MTV was so different back then, I remember watching it all the time. Crazy.

I always thought Live's music in its rawest form (on MJ) was pretty unique in that they were trying to do something new while acknowledging their influences. I don't think they really compromised that until 2001. But, anyone who makes it big in music has to make some compromises here and there, to me it is all about what those compromises are and how they influence the music.

[Bremang]

I'm sure there were some, but Nirvana was huge on MTV and I don't think anyone would call them a "sell out" band. MTV was so different back then, I remember watching it all the time. Crazy.

I always thought Live's music in its rawest form (on MJ) was pretty unique in that they were trying to do something new while acknowledging their influences. I don't think they really compromised that until 2001. But, anyone who makes it big in music has to make some compromises here and there, to me it is all about what those compromises are and how they influence the music.

Interesting you mention Nirvana, thats a classic debate in trying to figure out what it means to sell out. Some say Kurt was a victim, made some mistakes, but always stayed true to his craft. Others see how polished and branded Nevermind was compared to Bleach, and Kurt made millions selling the idea of grunge. But as different as MTV was in the early 90's as it is in the early 10's, you were still under control of the business model, with your 3 singles per album, and selling your image.

No doubt Live was raw with MJ. But they rode the alternative trend. They tried to get darker w. SS when alternative was getting darker. And got poppy after pop was big in the early 00's. It doesn't bother me if the band was trying to stay current. It might have been coincidence that Live was aligned w. the industry, and came up w. their style independently. I would say some of the vibe on V is pretty unique. The rap rock thing wasn't that prominent on V. Maybe Ed really enjoyed that style, in which case he wouldn't have compromised, and was just acknowledging his influences as you put it. V wasn't as blatant like when Live signed off on the gangster trend on White Discussion Sam Sever mix.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Feb 18 2011, 8:16 pm