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[maccaz69]

No, clearly you're still clueless as well as an idiot. Ed from 1995 gave KM a run for his money. Ed since 2000 is a complete joke.

Ah I love someone who is steadfast in their baseless opinion reflective only of their own wishes & not fact. Then he tries to belittle others' opinions with silly names because they know the facts show a different picture to what they wish for.

Perhaps this forum only has tgf fans now who refuse to see the light of day I don't know nor do I really care. I wish the best for ccp because I grew up with their music and I really like it. But for now, all I know is that Ed is in just about everything down here whereas no one even knows tgf & the rest, as they say, is history.

[Aitkens]

Ah I love someone who is steadfast in their baseless opinion reflective only of their own wishes & not fact. Then he tries to belittle others' opinions with silly names because they know the facts show a different picture to what they wish for.

Perhaps this forum only has tgf fans now who refuse to see the light of day I don't know nor do I really care. I wish the best for ccp because I grew up with their music and I really like it. But for now, all I know is that Ed is in just about everything down here whereas no one even knows tgf & the rest, as they say, is history.

Have you had the chance to see TGF perform live? I think it is safe to assume that you have not.

I've seen Live quite a few times, and was witness to Ed ruining every song in the set on quite a few occasions. Do you know why he was ruining the songs? It was because he doesn't have the same power that he once had in his voice. In addition to that, he believes in his mind that his voice has this amazing range, when in reality we're all hearing him struggle and miss notes he once hit with ease. He's lost the power, instead he has decided to pollute his own music with his pathetic attempt at a falsetto. I'm not a fan of falsetto voices, but if someone does have the talent it can be pulled off. Ed just doesn't have it.

[Pokey]

all I know is that Ed is in just about everything down here whereas no one even knows tgf & the rest, as they say, is history.

This is definitely true, however I will only be going to TGF and not to Ed because as we all know, Justin Beiber is more well known than both of these acts and I'm sure no one here would choose him over either. Notoriety isn't everything and TGF will vastly put on the better show.

Ed doesn't struggle AS much now because he doesn't have to fight to be heard over the new group. They play pop songs and pop versions of Live songs. (talk about awful Lakini's Juice version, Ed's band butchered it). (And on a side to that, how many times did KM sing LJ before realising it wasn't suited to his voice. 2? Ed never learns that lesson with songs he can't sing). Anyways, KM doesn't have to struggle to be heard over TGF, his voice has power. Ed can sing well but the more he tries to belt it out the more his voice will crack and fall apart. Hell Ed had CG in a cage because it was too loud for him. Now his terrible drummer taps away nice and quietly so that Ed doesn't have to battle.

I've said it before, Ed's voice is prettier, it has more melody than KM's does. But range wise KM has him beat.
As much as I don't like Guilty Fever on the album, I can't fault KM's execution of the song, then in the live recordings it sounds great too. You can bet your life Ed would be cracking all over the place with that song. Ed needs to sing low, Ed needs songs like Ghost, TBD etc and he sound a million bucks.

[WaiterAtCliftons]

I feel it's the old apples to oranges comparison at this point. Ed is a better pop singer while KM is a better rock singer. As a die-hard Live fan it was hard hearing Ed try to go back and sing the older songs later in their Live career. Especially songs like Lakini's Juice and White, Discussion. That angst and soul that were originally part of these songs was no longer there. He had managed to change them almost into pop songs. I believe that's really why there was such a style change in his writing from V to SFBM. He just couldn't write a hard rock song anymore that he was comfortable singing. I would not want to hear KM sing songs like Mystery while I also wouldn't want to hear Ed try to sing songs like Honest Man.

All money and break up bull shit aside, it's a tough thing for me I connected so much with Live and Ed especially. Now I connect with Ed's music as well as I do Justin Bieber. It's just not there anymore for me. I really think arguing over which band is better musically is just as silly as it would have been comparing Backstreet Boys to Live back in the 90's. Their music is so drastically different. If your favorite Live albums were the first 4 I think most would appreciate TGF more. If your favorite Live albums were V-SFBM I think you are more prone to be more of an Ed supporter. Therefor outside of the US I wouldn't doubt that Ed is probably at this point the more "popular" of the two. And here in the states TGF is having the better run.

[Merica]

The Gracious Few are getting me to attend their London gig later this month and, therefore, they defeat Ed, as getting me to go to a gig is almost impossible. End O'.

[OutToDry]

ha, in any topic tgf promo angle

My consistency on that is unmatched.

[SJN1279]

And here in the states TGF is having the better run.

Albums sales were about equal in the US(with Ed slightly higher), and tourwise Ed has outdrawn TGF in 95 percent of markets at higher ticket prices.

I would say that Ed is having a better run than TGF in the US as well.

[WaiterAtCliftons]

Albums sales were about equal in the US(with Ed slightly higher), and tourwise Ed has outdrawn TGF in 95 percent of markets at higher ticket prices.

I would say that Ed is having a better run than TGF in the US as well.

Let's see these so called outdrawn shows? Do you ever have any proof or do you just spat off numbers without having any facts to back them up. On the other hand I give you this.



And I know this is already been posted, but since you wanna go down this road again.



They actually are #1 in Austin now, not #2.
Also made it to #1 in Allentown.

Also try to find me one bad review of TGF. I can go online and find a handful of terrible reviews on Ed's shit. But you know, it's not about quality with you, it's all about money and quantity. Which your boy is about to lose that part of this battle too. TGF has done nothing but go up in every category since they first played a show. Ed on the other hand well.....

This post has been edited by WaiterAtCliftons: Feb 5 2011, 7:59 am

[OutToDry]

Albums sales were about equal in the US(with Ed slightly higher), and tourwise Ed has outdrawn TGF in 95 percent of markets at higher ticket prices.

I would say that Ed is having a better run than TGF in the US as well.

Show me the numbers. Can you honestly say it without feeing you nose growing?

[OutToDry]

I can go online and find a handful of terrible reviews on Ed's shit. But you know, it's not about quality with you, it's all about money and quantity. Which your boy is about to lose that part of this battle too. TGF has done nothing but go up in every category since they first played a show. Ed on the other hand well.....

http://www.fansoflive.com/forums/index.php...420&gopid=80306&#

[SJN1279]

Also try to find me one bad review of TGF. I can go online and find a handful of terrible reviews on Ed's shit. But you know, it's not about quality with you, it's all about money and quantity. Which your boy is about to lose that part of this battle too. TGF has done nothing but go up in every category since they first played a show. Ed on the other hand well.....

I admit that Appetite charted higher than Grace, but where did it get them? Did it increase album sales or touring numbers in a major way? It costs money to get a song on the radio, and I would be that TGF spent a heck of a lot more on radio promotion than Ed did in the US. Ed basically made sure that "Grace" got played in mainly cities he was touring, but charting wasn't a focus. Appetite is doing okay on Mainstream rock, but that is a very small format and the song has little crossover appeal. The song already fell hard off the larger Active Rock chart.

They were numerous reports that TGF drew well under 100 people at a good number of their concerts in the US. Ed never had that problem. Did he draw Live numbers? Not even close, but he didn't have to drop ticket prices to 10 dollars just to a few people through the door.

As for albums, Alive charted slightly higher than The Gracious Few's debut in the US.

So other than paying for radio play in a small format, what did TGF achieve over Ed in the US?

[Merica]

Artistic acclaim / respect?

[Bremang]

I think you can completely judge the overall vibe of a concert by the youtube video.

I wouldn't say completely. I've seen vids of shows I've been at that seemed a bit off my opinion of the vibe. Sometimes the front of the crowd is way more into the show than the back half, but you don't see it cause the person holding the camera is in the front. The audio recording portion definitely doesn't do the music justice sometimes.






So then, proving the vibe was going to add to the argument of whos shows were better in general, to help support or deny Aitkens claim that Ed had no hometown love. Which was a diversion from us arguing whether or not Live's return would be a good thing, and all potential configurations of that occurrence. All because of some changes on Live's Facebook page which may well be due to a package that Chad T. is putting together, and has nothing to do with the band reuniting. But now it has come to sales figures, as if that determines who is truly better.

[SinfulEyes]

Artistic acclaim / respect?

I think it's a fairly obvious answer that some Ed-lovers like to overlook.

Look at how TGF and Ed's new work is received by previous and current fans. It's not even a close contest.

[SJN1279]

Artistic acclaim / respect?

Most people don't even know of The Gracious Few album, and the album is far from critically acclaimed in the US. No major publication has bothered to review the new album, it is mainly just reviewed by random internet blogs.

Most reviews are positive, some middle of the road, some not great.

Here is a middle of the road review of the album:
http://thesodashop.wordpress.com/2011/01/1...e-gracious-few/