Billboard chart - The Gracious Few debuts at number 168 Options

[OutToDry]

Sounds like I ruffled your feathers........I didn't come off sounding mad, only perhaps you feel that way, enjoy the show and glad you like the cd.

you're the one that couldn't wait to post bad stuff about Ed

I haven't posted bad stuff about Ed in quite some time. No need for me to do that anymore. My ire was directed at the one who is not to be named.

TGF album will take a while to catch on....ive said this a lot in the past few months.

You didn't hurt my feelings.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Sep 30 2010, 10:57 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

Not really worried about how it charts. It's kinda their fault for going Indie. They should have made this record under a major label and let them push it to radio.

I can guarantee you that if this record had the proper backing, it would be doing ten times better than it is right now.

As pathetic as it is to say, this record needs radio play for recognition. By the way things have gone so far, it's not going to happen. Millions of people aren't being exposed to the music. The edge 102.1 here refuses to play it, I'm guessing because it's an Indie band nobody has heard of. They're not even bothering to listen to the music.

Record companies, especially one that sees a good record like this, would hammer it down radios throats. They'd be playing it and the band would be getting the exposure they need and deserve. I'm sorry but without it? This record will fail....and worst of all, so will the tour.

The trend I see happening here is going to be a one and done. It's really quite a shame because this record is fantastic and the live shows are utterly fucking mind blowing.

Until this band hires somebody to get this music added everywhere, it's going nowhere. If this record were being pushed here the way Grace is in Australia, we'd be seeing an entirely different ballgame.

I've done my part. I bought the album off ITunes, bought three physical copies of it. Bought a hoodie and tee and went to see their show here. But as sad as it is to admit, Nick is right in some ways. This album needs proper promotion to be successful. This music doesn't stick when people hear it once or twice. It needs to grow on people. That's how almost all music today sells as much as it does, by making people hear it 10 times per day, every day.

The only other option I see for this band is to make sure they visit every single prominent radio station in every city they play in. All these cities that have these stations that the song goes for adds in. The whole band needs to walk into every single one of them, do an interview and maybe play a song. ALL these stations thrive and starve for artists to drop by in surprise and get on the air.

If this doesn't happen, I can see this entire tour and CD becoming an epic fail. The signs are already there that this is already in progress. Honest Man was a very good song that got picked up by how many stations out of almost a hundred? 12 or so?? Not going to cut it. This tour and record fail and I don't see them making another record. What an utter fucking shame that would be...

[LivesMeltdown]

Sorry if I misunderstood your post OTD. Sometimes you can't tell on message boards/e-mails whats someone's intention is. But mine was not to gloat about their chart position. I've said countless times I hope both projects are successful. I hope Ed and TGF sell out concerts and sell many albums because I think they all deserve it (plus it mean much more in the future). But truly, at the end of the day, it's completely out of my control and the music is all that's important to me.

This post has been edited by LivesMeltdown: Sep 30 2010, 11:07 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

Yep, you're right I couldn't. You got me! I'm a closet TGF hater! I bought their cd and going to see them this weekend because I can't stand them. I did it all so I can post how much I hate them both.

Seriously, you're the one that couldn't wait to post bad stuff about Ed and you complain when that wasn't even my intention here. Stop sounding like a child. I mean you saying neither did Ed. Gimme a break. Well, great he didn't chart in his 2nd week either. Is that what you want to hear? I actually think both had solid debuts on the charts. But a month ago you couldn't stop posting how this was going to be huge and how you were going to post the charts when you get them. Now you don't like it because I made a post about their 2nd week.

Yes, it will come back once Appetite hits the radio. Is that what you want to hear? TGF is the greatest band is in the history of music.

There is no doubt in my mind that TGF will outsell Ed in the long run. Good for them. I absolutely wish them the best. They deserve it and I'm 100% serious on that.

But I apologize I hurt your feelings. Sorry you didn't like this post

No need to apologize dude. I hope you enjoy seeing their show.

You didn't say anything wrong, some people are just being over sensitive about this entire thing.

People just need to let this entire bullshit thing go. People will like and support whoever they want. Hope you're enjoying all the music and that you support whoever you feel deserves your support. Keep on postin' here dude.

[OutToDry]

Appetite is going for Adds on 10/5. Hope it gets played and folks hit this page up and make it happen

http://www.mediafire.com/?9uf578h6yswvst2

Perhaps the EMI partnership will move in a different direction if they record the second album.

Hard to fault most of the things you say liverocks.....corporate backing does so many things which don't reflect what the band may want. TGF is on record many times stating that it's for themselves. I don't think they care how much it sells. To them and the small niche of fans, it's perfect.

[OutToDry]

Sorry if I misunderstood your post OTD. Sometimes you can't tell on message boards/e-mails whats someone's intention is. But mine was not to gloat about their chart position. I've said countless times I hope both projects are successful. I hope Ed and TGF sell out concerts and sell many albums because I think they all deserve it (plus it mean much more in the future). But truly, at the end of the day, it's completely out of my control and the music is all that's important to me.

You are correct. Liverocks makes some good points. Since appetite is coming to radio next week, best thing possible to for folks to request it away!!!! Call the program directors in the towns they play in and move it the old fashioned way. Persistance does pay.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Appetite is going for Adds on 10/5. Hope it gets played and folks hit this page up and make it happen

http://www.mediafire.com/?9uf578h6yswvst2

Perhaps the EMI partnership will move in a different direction if they record the second album.

Hard to fault most of the things you say liverocks.....corporate backing does so many things which don't reflect what the band may want. TGF is on record many times stating that it's for themselves. I don't think they care how much it sells. To them and the small niche of fans, it's perfect.

I don't think that's the case at all dude. That's why we're hearing the "spread the word" phrase every single post from CG. They might not care how much it sells, but they certainly do care if it doesn't get recognized to the point that nobody comes to see them.

These venues pay the band a set amount to play and if the place is 3 quarters empty, they won't be invited back to that venue again. Not only that, word gets around in cities and entertainment districts when a band does poorly in ticket sales. It can affect a bands ability to command a show almost anywhere.

I don't think they're aiming to become huge, but I don't think they want it to be so hidden that the recognition is non existent. This is a fantastic album that needs backing. I think these guys need to get the list of stations they want to be played at and attack those stations with the kind of in your face rock shows I just saw.

I guarantee that if they go into any rock station and play Appetite anywhere near the way they played it here? It would be in that stations rotation the same day. Without that or some sort of corporate backing, this music will not get played, recognized or sold. That leads to poor ticket sales and leads to us not getting to see them in our city anymore. Too bd, it really is. But I think this seems to be the direction this is headed.

Sorry for the pessimism, just my opinion.

[LiveRoCkS77]

You are correct. Liverocks makes some good points. Since appetite is coming to radio next week, best thing possible to for folks to request it away!!!! Call the program directors in the towns they play in and move it the old fashioned way. Persistance does pay.

Dude, I've called and emailed the edge 102.1 in Toronto and they still won't play it. I've had ten different friends do the same. I've had five different users on here do it as well. They're not going to play it period. If this record had corp[orate backing? I bet it would be on our station five times a day or more. Fact is, stations don't want to give most Indie labels the time of day. They want to either be paid, or visited by a band with a performance and god knows what else. Sometimes that's still not enough.

[OutToDry]

Hey I know this. They are all run by clearchannel or the other corporate outfits, you have to pay to play.

We are in agreement

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Not really worried about how it charts. It's kinda their fault for going Indie. They should have made this record under a major label and let them push it to radio.

I can guarantee you that if this record had the proper backing, it would be doing ten times better than it is right now.

As pathetic as it is to say, this record needs radio play for recognition. By the way things have gone so far, it's not going to happen. Millions of people aren't being exposed to the music. The edge 102.1 here refuses to play it, I'm guessing because it's an Indie band nobody has heard of. They're not even bothering to listen to the music.

Record companies, especially one that sees a good record like this, would hammer it down radios throats. They'd be playing it and the band would be getting the exposure they need and deserve. I'm sorry but without it? This record will fail....and worst of all, so will the tour.

The trend I see happening here is going to be a one and done. It's really quite a shame because this record is fantastic and the live shows are utterly fucking mind blowing.

Until this band hires somebody to get this music added everywhere, it's going nowhere. If this record were being pushed here the way Grace is in Australia, we'd be seeing an entirely different ballgame.

I've done my part. I bought the album off ITunes, bought three physical copies of it. Bought a hoodie and tee and went to see their show here. But as sad as it is to admit, Nick is right in some ways. This album needs proper promotion to be successful. This music doesn't stick when people hear it once or twice. It needs to grow on people. That's how almost all music today sells as much as it does, by making people hear it 10 times per day, every day.

The only other option I see for this band is to make sure they visit every single prominent radio station in every city they play in. All these cities that have these stations that the song goes for adds in. The whole band needs to walk into every single one of them, do an interview and maybe play a song. ALL these stations thrive and starve for artists to drop by in surprise and get on the air.

If this doesn't happen, I can see this entire tour and CD becoming an epic fail. The signs are already there that this is already in progress. Honest Man was a very good song that got picked up by how many stations out of almost a hundred? 12 or so?? Not going to cut it. This tour and record fail and I don't see them making another record. What an utter fucking shame that would be...

I agree with nearly all of your points, but I do disagree with the basis of your argument regarding record labels. In 2010 record labels don't have to be the answer to accomplish the things that you and I both agree need to happen for the album to be successful. I also doubt a major label in today's climate would have even been interested in signing the band.

In Live and Candlebox there are already two great cases for what a record label can do to hurt a band, and any smaller label that wouldn't infringe on the band's music likely wouldn't even be able to get the band the amount of promotion they have had thus far.

A band can accomplish all of the things that you outlined on their own these days, but it takes a whole lot of leg work and enough backing from other places. For an indie band, it also isn't primarily done through radio (though that helps). I don't think this is a lost cause yet, and I think you'll see more promotion for the upcoming tour dates.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Oct 1 2010, 6:08 am

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Hey I know this. They are all run by clearchannel or the other corporate outfits, you have to pay to play.

We are in agreement

That's why they need to reach out to the non-clear channel stations. There are a lot of these springing up, it is just a matter of finding them. Those DJs would love to get an e-mail from Kevin Martin or Chad Taylor and would bend over backwards to have them on the air.

I think the band should drop into college radio too. Doesn't matter that most of those kids were barely born when Live and Candlebox were popular, they can sell the band on their own merit.

[Sonic Tonic]

I don't think that's the case at all dude. That's why we're hearing the "spread the word" phrase every single post from CG. They might not care how much it sells, but they certainly do care if it doesn't get recognized to the point that nobody comes to see them.

These venues pay the band a set amount to play and if the place is 3 quarters empty, they won't be invited back to that venue again. Not only that, word gets around in cities and entertainment districts when a band does poorly in ticket sales. It can affect a bands ability to command a show almost anywhere.

I don't think they're aiming to become huge, but I don't think they want it to be so hidden that the recognition is non existent. This is a fantastic album that needs backing. I think these guys need to get the list of stations they want to be played at and attack those stations with the kind of in your face rock shows I just saw.

I guarantee that if they go into any rock station and play Appetite anywhere near the way they played it here? It would be in that stations rotation the same day. Without that or some sort of corporate backing, this music will not get played, recognized or sold. That leads to poor ticket sales and leads to us not getting to see them in our city anymore. Too bd, it really is. But I think this seems to be the direction this is headed.

Sorry for the pessimism, just my opinion.

Agree with ya man. I'm just glad we got see them in concert. Wishing them the best but the way it's going is not exactly great.

[rock4adiference]

Agree with ya man. I'm just glad we got see them in concert. Wishing them the best but the way it's going is not exactly great.

It's only the beginning. No one really even knows who they are yet. The more radio interviews they do and get their name out there the better. They seem to be doing a great job getting themselves booked at the local stations at every tour stop.

[Sonic Tonic]

Indeed.

[FishOutaWater]

I saw TGF debut at number 15 last week on the Billboard top hard rock albums.