Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Only if you've already taken your side in the argument.

Honestly, I think both the summons and response paint all 4 of them as petty and argumentative. Good thing these guys are simply entertainers.

Agreed, hopefully the meat of the issue will come out in the future.

[jclive]

He is an asshole for that and many other things that have been shared on this board.

If you think that is reasonable then I must say, I am glad that I am not in a band or a business with you.

There are 20 people in my company. We are not all equals. There are some who have contributed more to our success than have others. That is a very simple concept.

[jclive]

Agreed, hopefully the meat of the issue will come out in the future.

I'll be really surprised if we ever get to read any of the legal documents that are referenced in the filings. Sure would be fun though.

[TheBeacon]

Why would you assume that someone would intentionally sabotage something that he could just walk away from? Wouldn't it make more sense to just quit and move along solo? Oh yeah, there's that 'ulitmatum' debate again! Maybe it didnt happen exactly as CC&P said it did. Point 29 was denied by the defendants wasnt it? Who is telling the truth?

And your assertion that he is 'failing miserably' is of course subjective.

Its a bit more than subjective. I dont see him tearing up the charts, touring huge venues, or even have a record deal! Ed is doing what he can to make some money and keep his career going which I dont fault him for that. I do fault him for taking a different path thinking he was better than the other three and he could do it on his own. Obv he is no where as successful as LIVE was before he took over control of the band 10 years ago. To disagree with this is just plain ignorant. You would have to be in a huge state of denial to think Ed is still as successful as LIVE was before BOP and the other trash he made since then. I always thought the world of Ed and loved his music but even I can't deny what is going on here. He's a douchbag period!

[jclive]

Its a bit more than subjective. I dont see him tearing up the charts, touring huge venues, or even have a record deal! Ed is doing what he can to make some money and keep his career going which I dont fault him for that. I do fault him for taking a different path thinking he was better than the other three and he could do it on his own. Obv he is no where as successful as LIVE was before he took over control of the band 10 years ago. To disagree with this is just plain ignorant. You would have to be in a huge state of denial to think Ed is still as successful as LIVE was before BOP and the other trash he made since then. I always thought the world of Ed and loved his music but even I can't deny what is going on here. He's a douchbag period!

Ok now youre changing the context of being 'successful'. We can compare the current Ed to Live at any stage all we want, but to define his solo success based on the success of something to which he was a part of is ignorance from my perspective.

I never thought the world of any of these guys. Still dont. They are entertainers. Love their music though.

[Infrequent Poster]

All just lawyer jargon and other assorted BS. Nothing terribly surprising. Will be interesting to see what the courts decide, though I was leaning towards Ed settling out of court before. Seems that with his attack dog lawyer Ed's intent on digging in, though it may just be for posturing for a future settlement.

[Bremang]

That sounds like, well.....i pilfered from them, but I feel guilty, so let me not charge for some service fees I already took..

That is possible. Might have been out of respect or friendship too.

[Merica]

Only if you've already taken your side in the argument.

Honestly, I think both the summons and response paint all 4 of them as petty and argumentative. Good thing these guys are simply entertainers.

I disagree. Ed comes off as a cunt for stating stuff like "CY/CG/PD are not really songwriters in any great respect."

That's a dick move, plain and simple.

[Bremang]

There isn't any way to know as the contributions can vary from song to song. That is why bands will elect to just split royalties evenly.

Each song can have their own credits and royalties attached. Can you describe the liner notes?

[Pokey]

Still gotta love how everyone who loves Ed's music see's him as a non guilty party. I'd love to see someone say they think his music is great but he's a complete ass for this whole thing. I don't think it works so much the other way, i'd say Fish is probably one of the most unbias people on the board and even he can smell the roses.

The whole "lets not bring Ed's interviews and spirituality into the picture here, this is legal stuff!" is bullshit and just a cop out way of circumventing the point that a few people are making that they believe Ed is a shitheel. It may not have anything directly to do with the legal stuff, but it still ties in in a broader way and that fact that it seems so contradictory is why people question it. I've seen people who support Ed here throw things around like "people have already just taken sides here", the fact that Ed has gone on talking about the brotherhood and could never make it without the boys and how they're different from so many other bands because they are a cohesieve unit and then come out with shit like this which is basically a slap in the face to the other 3 for the help they've given Ed to be able to enjoy the life he has now ... these are reasons some of us are taking sides. We're not pulling things out of our asses, we're basing this on information available and making our own choice into how we see this.

The whole "but you dont know that for sure!!" is bullshit, if no one could form an opinion on something without knowing absolutely 100% sure of every detail then we'd have very few opinions around. You could easily say that you guys don't know 100% for sure that Ed is innocent of everything so forming an opinion to give him the benefit of the doubt is just as mute.
You can argue the innocent until proven guilty, in the eyes of the law that's true. But a lot of people here have had a sour taste in their mouth from Ed a long time before any legal stuff popped up so regardless of whether hes proven innocent or guilty i doubt that will change.

[Bremang]

Was that in relation to the 1 million dollar recording advance deal?

Well 25000 to each member was given, and Ed's statement claims that he had no obligation to do that.

And it said Levin offered to not charge CCP.

[Bremang]

This is about contracts, and who is legaly entitled to what. All the subjective stuff that was thrown in from both sides is just what you get with these ugly 'divorces'.

We would need to know the details of the contract to determine if the subjective stuff matters. Plus I was also trying to just suggest that the statements were possibly exaggerated on purpose, and not necessarily emotional or how they would honestly define each members input.

[jclive]

I disagree. Ed comes off as a cunt for stating stuff like "CY/CG/PD are not really songwriters in any great respect."

That's a dick move, plain and simple.

It may very well be the truth though.

The parties were defined as being songwriters in the summons. The response addressed each point, sentence by sentence, and disagreed with the notion of CC&P being identified as simply 'songwriters.'

You've picked your side though, so in your mind, its a lie, and Ed is a dick for saying it.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

There are 20 people in my company. We are not all equals. There are some who have contributed more to our success than have others. That is a very simple concept.

My point was that bands shouldn't be run in that same way. If they are then well, you get what happened with this band. That is a very simply concept.

As for my not wanting to be in business with you, we have very different philosophies and I personally wouldn't want to work with someone who looks at things the way you do.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Bremang]

I disagree. Ed comes off as a cunt for stating stuff like "CY/CG/PD are not really songwriters in any great respect."

That's a dick move, plain and simple.

You don't seem to realize that it isn't necessarily Ed or what he's saying.

Plus, if you think of songwriter in the singer songwriter sense, it seems fairly accurate. He does say that they are song writers in some limited exceptions, but in general it is not their bag, doesn't seem waaay far off to me.