Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[Bremang]

I know we do, I was just adding some clarification in the direction that you were heading. All this songwriting malarkey is just a distraction from the reason the suit was filed in the first place. EK can claim that he wrote everything all he wants, but if the original contracts say differently then he won't win this one.

If the courts deem the 2005 contract legal then there won't be a leg for the other guys to stand on.

I def think CCP deserve a better severance.


Does anyone believe what was said about all the money that was given, as well as lack of service charges from Levin, to CCP that was not obliged under contract?

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I def think CCP deserve a better severance.
Does anyone believe what was said about all the money that was given, as well as lack of service charges from Levin, to CCP that was not obliged under contract?

Was that in relation to the 1 million dollar recording advance deal?

[OutToDry]

I def think CCP deserve a better severance.


Does anyone believe what was said about all the money that was given, as well as lack of service charges from Levin, to CCP that was not obliged under contract?

That sounds like, well.....i pilfered from them, but I feel guilty, so let me not charge for some service fees I already took..

[jclive]

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Ed denies that CC&P had anything to do with Live's success?! Are you kidding me?!?!!? What a jackass. When I bought a Live album, I was looking for the whole group.

The part to which you are referring in no way says that CC&P didnt have anything to do with Live's success. It states that "Defendants deny that the level of success achieved by the group was allocable equally to the hard work, musicianship, and creativity of each member of the group; in fact, it was Kowalczyk who was the moving force behind the Group and it's success.."

Stating that Kowalczyk was the 'moving force' is NOT the same as saying that CC&P didn't have anything to do with Live's success.

Nice reach though.

[jclive]

All of those interview's Ed did stating peace & brotherhood will most likely be used against him to show his rebuttal is full of donkey shit.

This lawsuit is over legally binding contracts. Not interviews where Ed is spouting off stuff about spriituality and beliefs and love and peace and brotherhood.

I wonder if those contracts will ever see the light of day...

[jclive]

While the document may claim to deny, it confirms everything I thought about Ed in the first paragraph.

There it is, for all the world to see. There might be two sides to the story but one side is clearly an asshole.

He's an asshole for saying that not everyone was equally responsible for Live's success and that he was the driving force?

Sounds reasonable to me.

[jclive]

If that gets brought up he'll probably play some shit where he was asked to join by the others because they needed him and wouldn't have done anything without him.

Not to mention the fact that without the other guys we'd not be having this convo as no one would have heard of Eddie K without the other 3.

Just as we would probably not have ever heard of CC&P had Eddie K not joined up with them. Works both ways.

[jclive]

I'm ready for the "two sides to every story" crowd to chime in. I hope they realize that what Ed is claiming here is exactly what tore the band apart and why so many of us think he is a pompous jackass.

Present!

Lawsuit filed. Response filed. Looks pretty standard to me.

[jclive]

In these documents it seems that both parties are trying to win the sympathies of the legal authority who would have difficulty ascertaining exactly who contributed what to the music. I think both sides are exaggerating; Ed saying he did everything, CCP leaning towards saying all 4 were equal contributers. Both are likely untrue. I'd bet the lawyers are the ones who push these extreme views.

I think we should take the comments about who created the music in both documents with a grain of salt because I'm guessing it is only meant to butter up the main argument, which should hopefully not play a roll, in deciding the interpretation of the 2005 contract.

This is about contracts, and who is legaly entitled to what. All the subjective stuff that was thrown in from both sides is just what you get with these ugly 'divorces'.

[jclive]

How exactly is CCP saying that the 4 of them were equal contributors an "extreme view" ?In 95 or 97 or 99 would you have said that Ed is a bigger contributor than the others? He certainly is a bigger visual focal point as most frontmen are in bands, but don't let that distract from the song writing issue.

I also agree with Sak above that I don't think that this has been Ed's plan all along. Probably only of the past few years at least, I certainly dont think that as he was in the making of Throwing Copper that he was thinking "man these guys are so screwed then I take this thing solo!".

Doesn't change the fact that Ed is a shitheel.

In 95 or 97 Ed may or may not have been a bigger contributor. We do not know. All we know is that they collectively put out music and performed as the band Live. That in no way proves that they were equals, same as it doesnt prove that they were not.

[Merica]

Ed comes off as such a cunt.

... and he doesn't seem to nice judging by that document, either.

[jclive]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! WHY???????? This is the question we all bicker about because its what happened. Ed chose money and power over his friends and the band. You cannot deny that!!! Unfortunately for Ed he thought he could do better on his own and is failing miserably! I agree he didnt start out with the intention to sabotage LIVE but I think that has been his goal since atleast the "V" era.

Why would you assume that someone would intentionally sabotage something that he could just walk away from? Wouldn't it make more sense to just quit and move along solo? Oh yeah, there's that 'ulitmatum' debate again! Maybe it didnt happen exactly as CC&P said it did. Point 29 was denied by the defendants wasnt it? Who is telling the truth?

And your assertion that he is 'failing miserably' is of course subjective.

[OutToDry]

We're all ambulance chasers here arent we?

[thefunkyredcaboose]

He's an asshole for saying that not everyone was equally responsible for Live's success and that he was the driving force?

Sounds reasonable to me.

He is an asshole for that and many other things that have been shared on this board.

If you think that is reasonable then I must say, I am glad that I am not in a band or a business with you.

[jclive]

Ed comes off as such a cunt.

... and he doesn't seem to nice judging by that document, either.

Only if you've already taken your side in the argument.

Honestly, I think both the summons and response paint all 4 of them as petty and argumentative. Good thing these guys are simply entertainers.