Ed Takes A Beat Down, Alive - "It's Depressing" Options

[Wambangalang]

its okay man, dreams are like that. The dream has nothing to do with edward and everything to do with you. You need to ask yourself what he represents to you, and being a fellow live fan ill assume it is his art that is significant here. Edward in your dream is the manifestation of your artistic self, which you possibly have allowed to take a back seat to other priorities in your life. His blasé response to your question indicates to me that you too have become indifferent (at least in your conscious awareness) to this dillema, yet his (meaning your) request for a glass of pure water clearly shows that there is a subconscious hunger for change. It appeared as water because you know that water is a fundamental element of ed's creativity.

we need a thread where we all talk about dreams. gotta write this shit down. It could be called we walk in the.....or is that lame??

[+Ed+]

absolutely fine. Make it. You can also title it We Deal In Dreams.

How on Earth did you explain it all like that? Do you treally believe it, Wam?

This post has been edited by +Ed+: Aug 12 2010, 2:41 am

[Wambangalang]

nah im just talking out of my ass. dreams are quite interesting though and you can learn a lot from them i believe. just wait till you get into lucid dreaming. thats a trip and a half. ive experienced it once.

[maccaz69]

The problem with the situation of ed/live/tgf is that there are too many people on one side or the other and its hard to know who's review is honest.

This review attacks nearly everything about the album and appears to be from an ed hater.

I think that if anyone wrote down and analysed the lyrics to not only any live song but any song at all there are inconsistencies and silly phrases that make little sense. No one i've ever heard of writes down and analyses a whole song's lyrics like that! Certain meaningful parts yes but this seems to be rediculous and grabbing at reasons to discredit the album. I agree with rome it is not a song I could listen too much as its too repetitive and lacks content. He doesn't even mention soul whispers which is probably the best song on the album? And in your light, I find, a good song. Drive is a song more about the hooks and energy than breaking down whether the chorus makes sense. He mentions heaven what about the lyric 'sometimes its hard to breath at the bottom of the sea'? What the hell does that mean or what does it have to do with the topic of heaven? But it is irrelevant as it was a good song and made you think about it. If someone wrote down the lyrics to SS what the hell would you think - especially freaks!!!

This guy has been so anti-alive that his review means nothing to me at all.

[Sakhmet2]

unless he recieved some kind of blunt-force trauma to the brain or actually did fry his brain with drugs i dont understand how this retardation in creativity can occur. This is why im inclined to think his dealings with these charlaton guru's and such in the late nineties/00's had an effect on his artistic approach. maybe this wilber fella or one of the christian authorities had him believe that to reach as many people as possible with his "message", he needed to dumb down his lyric to be more digestible to the masses. this is not a stretch of credibility, as serious christians would and should be more concerned about spreadin' the word than glorifying themselves artistically.

Or maybe reading (and trying to emulate) the buzzword gobbledygook of those charlatans is the same thing as blunt-force trauma.
Definitely on the right track.

But I think calling the A-Live "a swipe at Live", as the reviewer did, is just ridiculous. You can say and believe a lot of bad things about the cd, but this is not too likely.

I think Ed backers have put up the when it comes to his character and ability as a song writer.

No, mostly they're waiting for actual proof of his character and not claiming that they always knew he was "slimey" - although they used to adore him.

The problem with the situation of ed/live/tgf is that there are too many people on one side or the other and its hard to know who's review is honest.

This review attacks nearly everything about the album and appears to be from an ed hater.

I kind of feel the same way.

I think that if anyone wrote down and analysed the lyrics to not only any live song but any song at all there are inconsistencies and silly phrases that make little sense.

True even of the Beatles.

Don't think so. I'll defend him, just like I would defend CT, CG, and PD if needed. I just don't feel like getting in a verbal sparring match everytime someone makes a comment about him which is every single thread that appears in this forum.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Aug 12 2010, 7:10 am

[Pokey]

I was shaking hands of the puzzled sellers from Ukraine and Kirgizia, giving praise to their tomatoes and cucumbers that were so cheap and good looking.

This is an awesomely "wtf??" line when taken out of context!

[thefunkyredcaboose]

The problem with the situation of ed/live/tgf is that there are too many people on one side or the other and its hard to know who's review is honest.

This review attacks nearly everything about the album and appears to be from an ed hater.

I think that if anyone wrote down and analysed the lyrics to not only any live song but any song at all there are inconsistencies and silly phrases that make little sense. No one i've ever heard of writes down and analyses a whole song's lyrics like that! Certain meaningful parts yes but this seems to be rediculous and grabbing at reasons to discredit the album. I agree with rome it is not a song I could listen too much as its too repetitive and lacks content. He doesn't even mention soul whispers which is probably the best song on the album? And in your light, I find, a good song. Drive is a song more about the hooks and energy than breaking down whether the chorus makes sense. He mentions heaven what about the lyric 'sometimes its hard to breath at the bottom of the sea'? What the hell does that mean or what does it have to do with the topic of heaven? But it is irrelevant as it was a good song and made you think about it. If someone wrote down the lyrics to SS what the hell would you think - especially freaks!!!

This guy has been so anti-alive that his review means nothing to me at all.

The point of a review is to listen to the album and tell people what you thought about it. Just because you disagreed with the writers conclusions doesn't make them an "Ed hater" or take away any credibility. You don't see me slamming reviewers who have liked the album unless they are just factually inaccurate.

It seems like this guy spent more time with the album than most reviewers will, so give them some credit.

PS. The lyrics to Freaks are awesome.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Aug 12 2010, 7:53 am

[thefunkyredcaboose]

i remember an interview where ed said something along the lines of "i remember hearing at a very young age about the big bang and thinking bullshit! how can something come from nothing?" He went on to say how the christian/catholic perspective didnt do it for him either (obviously he has changed his mind now).

So when he writes a lyric like the one i quoted before, to me its a rejection of the scientific interpretation of the world and also the religious one, as in the story of adam and eve didnt cut it for him. i didnt interpret it as he thinks adam and eve fucked up, thereby somehow acknowledging the validity of the story...

I remember that too, but was the interview around the time of TDTH?

Anyway, my point wasn't really that Ed was a Christian then but that it was just a much better album that dealt with more positive religious/spiritual themes. No more, no less.