Working out, Dr Ex in charge Options

[Bremang]

Cheers for this dude, appreciated.

It's strange because I actually have quite a lot of strength in my legs. For someone so skinny (and yet fat) and haven't done much exercising my legs have always been really strong. But I have those horrible nobley knees ... the pain in them is hard to describe, it feels like it's not muscle, it's not a grinding pain and doesn't hurt unless there is impact. However from time to time, very rarely I'll get pretty crippling pain .. about 6 months ago I went to the cinema and was going up the steps to my seat at the back and my knee just fucked up mid step, I literally just couldn't put any weight on it .. then never had a problem with it since in that "out of the blue" kind of way.

So you think Atkins is a bit of a crock and Ex thinks it can work well .. would you agree with Ex that in the short term as far as getting results in an ASAP way that it's a good result getter?

I think once I do lose the weight i'll keep it off easier, it crept up on me over time without me really realising it, so now I want to keep a better eye on it. It's just been depressing looking at reccomended intakes of certain things in these diets then looking at things I have in my pantry (and I don't mean just junk food) and realising I can barely have any of it, if any at all... it's hard to know exactly what I should be eating. According to the milk I drink, one glass of it will be more than I should have for a whole day for carbs on the atkins diet unless I'm reading that wrong.

Thanks for the protein tip though, maybe some sort of protein shake or something is something I should get. Normally I do eat a lot of meat so I think I have quite a bit of protein in my diet.

As for cardio, "this couch to 5km" plan seems to be quite popular .. thoughts?

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

Sounds just like a cartilage, arthritic bone type issue. All it takes is a step to have things go overboard. Knee braces, ICE PACKS!, water, staying away from impact, are all very helpful. You can have strong legs, but if you are not doing these leg/calf exercises then there is certainly more support to be had.

I personally agree with you about the air walking machine thing. I feel like it makes you press with your knees, thats why I don't like it. It is unfortunate because running exercise is one of the best cardio exercies and great for burning calories/staying fit. However, increase other cardio exercises, and stay off the treadmill. For me, 10 minutes on the treadmill can trigger hurt knees. I played tennis for a long time, like many young players, knees often get compromised by the time one hits their 20s, (poor Rafa!).

As per Atkins, sure, there are plenty of unhealthy ways to achieve "results". Anorexia and bulimia are a couple of them. Atkins is in no way good for the human condition. If Atkins were to improve someones body, I couldn't imagine how bad they must have been before starting. Just an out of control scam.

I do not know you personally, most young males have the metabolism where if you treat yourself right, your body will morph. Of course, as you burn fat, toxins and hormones are released into the bloodstream, which can make things a little emotional or unstable for the first couple weeks, but that is the hill you have to get over, and once your body gets used to the new lifestyle, its really smooth sailing. If you don't see results right away, these steps in the right direction are a much better choice than trying to hurt yourself to look skinny right away. As I said, its not about getting skinny, its about being healthy, and that should be a long term choice. Not a good idea to be unhealthy but skinny.

Dude, as for diets, listen to Michael Pollan "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants". That is how you stay healthy. Eat real food that isn't processed. Don't stuff your face. Eat mostly plants. That is how you stay healthy. If you want to build muscle, you should stick to this diet, but throw in a ton of protein. You would need more than meat, protein shakes are the way I believe. Otherwise, no calorie counting, no worrying about anything else. Fruits and veggies, nuts and protein will give you everything you need. Nothing beats an organic local veggie farm CSA if you got one.

the running plan looks alright, but bad for your knees so you're gonna want alternatives to your cardio unfortunately. It will make it tougher for you. Keep moving.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 10 2010, 4:44 pm

[Existentialist]

Oh boy, we've got the "expert" Bremang touting all this natural, alternative bullshit. I love your explanations for most things medical. Sounds like massage school shit. What are your credentials, son?

Atkins is the way to go if your goal is to lose weight quickly without regard to long term results. I made it clear that's what it's useful for and nothing else. Don't worry about the "toxins" released from weight loss and how this will make you "emotional." This is just pseudoscience garbage spouted off by a nutcase with an elementary medical education. Don't listen to a word this idiot says!

[Bremang]

Oh boy, we've got the "expert" Bremang touting all this natural, alternative bullshit. I love your explanations for most things medical. Sounds like massage school shit. What are your credentials, son?

Atkins is the way to go if your goal is to lose weight quickly without regard to long term results. I made it clear that's what it's useful for and nothing else. Don't worry about the "toxins" released from weight loss and how this will make you "emotional." This is just pseudoscience garbage spouted off by a nutcase with an elementary medical education. Don't listen to a word this idiot says!

Before I address your panty bind, lets at least agree that the workouts I said are OK, as well as the ideas of sleep and hydration, stretching, icing the knees, knee braces, going easy, light reps at first, all of that.

Sure, Atkins can make you lose weight. Water weight probably in the beginning. I never said that it couldn't do what you claimed it could do. The lack of carbs means you lose weight, but that doesn't mean its good for you, and that was my point. Its an unhealthy diet, and someone who wants advice on maintaining a healthy weight shouldn't be going for Atkins.


As far as being natural and alternative, I don't know what you're talking about. Are you talking about food? Its not like I'm telling him to eat fancy herbs or drink Ed's coffee. I do mention protein powder, how natural is that? Show me any diet that says that fruit and vegetables and nuts are not good for maintaining a healthy weight and I'll show you someone who is probably wrong.

As per the toxins and such, emotionality and the hardship of self motivating, that shit is 100 percent true for many people. If you want, I will flesh out anything you're referring to in perfectly clear medical terms, though I doubt you would understand. You seem to be one of those who help undermine the difference between losing weight and being healthy. I was saying before that toxins release into the blood from burning fat cells, not talking about weight loss. It all might be my own simplified spin to make things understandable. Pokey was talking about not being able to find time to workout, so I was giving him some heads up about certain bodily responses, to tell him to not give up. Not everyone has the resolve like you do when it comes to motivation, ok Biff?

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 10 2010, 6:36 pm

[Existentialist]

If you want, I will flesh out anything you're referring to in perfectly clear medical terms, though I doubt you would understand.

I probably will, considering I have passed all national boards required to be a medical doctor and will have my MD confirmed in 9 months. Credentials please?

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Jul 10 2010, 6:41 pm

[Bremang]

well i did misread pokey about finding the time, but a heads up about staying motivated was all i was really trying to address.

[Bremang]

I probably will, considering I have passed all national boards required to be a medical doctor and will have my MD confirmed in 9 months. Credentials please?

Thats good, though I'm not a doctor. No credentials. Maybe you would like to refute anything that I said specifically and tell me medically why it is incorrect.

[Existentialist]

No, I think we're done.

[Bremang]

No, I think we're done.

Meanwhile, you're a med student who advised the Atkins diet. Good for you.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 10 2010, 6:49 pm

[OutToDry]

Eat at Joes.

Perhaps it's a hoax

[Existentialist]

Meanwhile, you're a med student who advised the Atkins diet. Good for you.

Yep, a 4th year med student who is board certified. I advised the Atkins diet for fast, substantial weight loss, which was his goal. It's good advice and I also warned him that the diet is generally unhealthy and will not work long-term. Credentials, please?

[OutToDry]

He wont give it up when he gets shown the door.....he'll reframe his point to continue. Happens in any thread and any topic. He thinks I work for TGF

[Bremang]

Yep, a 4th year med student who is board certified. I advised the Atkins diet for fast, substantial weight loss, which was his goal. It's good advice and I also warned him that the diet is generally unhealthy and will not work long-term. Credentials, please?

Ex, I respect very much that you are in med school. Your animosity towards me is completely understandable, cause it must be annoying to read some non-med guy trying to spit out medical information, although so much of my advice was not really med related. I think overall you would agree that if Pokey followed my advice, it would be good for him and he could reach his goal.

If you read your post, you did not explicitly say that Atkins was unhealthy. And if you know it is unhealthy, it will be your duty to not provide harmful advice, as per the Hippocratic oath. In general weight loss vs. health is a common misconception and it would have been prudent to let him know of a healthier way to reach his goal, even if that meant thinking long term.

You can attack my lack of credentials all you want, attacking me does not detonate that my argument is lacking.

Its amazing that you find time to post here being in med school! Precious little free time you got. Good luck w. those 30 hour shifts getting residency.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 10 2010, 7:22 pm

[Bremang]

He wont give it up when he gets shown the door.....he'll reframe his point to continue. Happens in any thread and any topic. He thinks I work for TGF

all you gotta do is explicity point out a reframed argument of mine and you might not seem so ridiculous.

You are such a TGF street team staff agent manager its unbelievable.

[Existentialist]

Its amazing that you find time to post here being in med school! Precious little free time you got. Good luck w. those 30 hour shifts getting residency.

Not when you're already a board certified 4th year. I have 6 months of vacation during the remaining 9 months. I'm done, son! There are no more 30 hour shifts DURING residency (not "getting" residency like I'm at fucking Ellis Island). The maximum is 16 in a 24 hour period, with a minimum of 8 hours between shifts and a cap of 80 hours for 1 week. But, in child psychiatry, I won't work more than 40 hours a week anyway. What a weird attempted insult. What are your credentials, though, for the record?

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Jul 10 2010, 7:31 pm

[OutToDry]

I take no cash for supporting tgf.

Do you have admin status as now the post topic has been renamed? Nick did you do this?

Here's where Ex said it could be harmful.....but you will spin it another way.
I've tried it and I had a hard time, It gave me mood swings.

I have done the diet and seen lots of others do it, and if done right, a man under 40 can lose as much as 15 pounds in 2 weeks. If you do it right, which is hard to do, you will notice a very dramatic difference in those 2 weeks. Unfortunately, for reasons that are too difficult to explain here, this weight will eventually return, even without overeating, unless you continue to diet off and on.

To do Atkins right, you have to keep under 20 net carbs per day. This is a must. The diet is not calorie restricting and relies solely on putting your body in ketoacidosis to lose the weight. If you fuck up and eat more than the 20 net carbs, you will not go into ketoacidosis and you will not be calorie restricting, and could easily gain weight

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jul 10 2010, 7:28 pm