Eat Your Love Options

[Aitkens]

Haha, I was only messing around, man. Not uploading it for Nick. ^^

and here I thought we had him caught red handed!

[SJN1279]

Fucking hell ... you don't think it's cheap to make people buy a whole album of songs they already have just for 1 track? Let's pretend that Ed didn't do this but TGF did, I bet you any fucking money you would be jumping up and down and pointing out what a low act it is.
I think it's just as much thievery to make someone buy something they already have just for 1 extra song, there is just absolutely no need for it. Justify WHY it is is a good idea to do this other than making more money?
What pleasure is there in buying something you already have just for one tiny extra add on? Is the pleasure that you can get the add on? Why not just sell the add on seperately?
Or at the very least make it a single with B-sides, so it's worth buying a single.

No it isn't because I have done it for other artists. I recently bought Train's new CD for my wife on Itunes because the bonus track was one of the best songs on the album. Itunes looks for bonus tracks to get people to download. You don't have to like it, but it is common.

Just like Ticketmaster fees.

[+Ed+]

Ripping into you isn't needed, it's just fun. You're an easy target because you set yourself up for it. You flat out refuse to answer tough questions. .

Any of them actually, my friend. And above that he is a liar, just like his idol

Fucking hell ... you don't think it's cheap to make people buy a whole album of songs they already have just for 1 track? Let's pretend that Ed didn't do this but TGF did, I bet you any fucking money you would be jumping up and down and pointing out what a low act it is.

He would not be smart enough to make a joke of it, man

[Pokey]

No it isn't because I have done it for other artists. I recently bought Train's new CD for my wife on Itunes because the bonus track was one of the best songs on the album. Itunes looks for bonus tracks to get people to download. You don't have to like it, but it is common.

Just like Ticketmaster fees.

I know it's semi common, and thats why in this situation my beef isnt so much with Ed, but anyone who does it, even if TGF did it, I think it's wrong. And just because you seem to have no problem forking over extra money for a whole album just for one song that still doesn't make it right.
Like I asked you, besides making more money, WHY is it a good idea to do this?
If you buy the album and then give it to someone else as a present, would you rip the bonus track for yourself before sending it on? If you did who is stealing in this situation? Is it stealing?

I don't understand what is so hard about having a standard version of the album with any bonus tracks available to everyone who purchases it, if you want to rerelease it later with more bonus tracks down the road, maybe fair enough.
Or if there are bonus tracks, then at least group them together and package them with the single. Gives people more incentive to buy the single (which they'd have with the album anyways) and you get some b-sides.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Jul 7 2010, 12:04 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

No it isn't because I have done it for other artists. I recently bought Train's new CD for my wife on Itunes because the bonus track was one of the best songs on the album. Itunes looks for bonus tracks to get people to download. You don't have to like it, but it is common.

Just like Ticketmaster fees.

Having to buy three versions of a CD to get all of the songs is not common.

[Pokey]

Having to buy three versions of a CD to get all of the songs is not common.

Maybe amoungst the bands that Nick likes it does. He seems to only pay attention to about 10 bands or so and if they're anything like Ed then they'll all be of the same mind set where money comes first, music second. So from his point of view maybe it's common practice.

[SJN1279]

Having to buy three versions of a CD to get all of the songs is not common.

Actually if you live in the US you can't buy the Holland Itunes and vice versa.

Would you rather the old days where the extra tracks were locked in a vault that only Jimmy Lang had the key to? At least now they are available and most of you will be able to get them.

[jclive]

Fucking hell ... you don't think it's cheap to make people buy a whole album of songs they already have just for 1 track? Let's pretend that Ed didn't do this but TGF did, I bet you any fucking money you would be jumping up and down and pointing out what a low act it is.
I think it's just as much thievery to make someone buy something they already have just for 1 extra song, there is just absolutely no need for it. Justify WHY it is is a good idea to do this other than making more money?
What pleasure is there in buying something you already have just for one tiny extra add on? Is the pleasure that you can get the add on? Why not just sell the add on seperately?
Or at the very least make it a single with B-sides, so it's worth buying a single.

Nobody is making anyone buy anything. Last I checked, my money goes where I WANT it to go. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with artists offering bonus tracks wherever they choose. I'm certain that iTunes plays a huge role in this part as well. Afterall, they want to attract buyers and make money dont they?

Is there something wrong with making money? I like money. I need money. I want to make as much as I possibly can.

The pleasure for me was in doing something I've done for a very long time that brings me joy. That being buying the actual CD. Brings me back to the time before we had the internet for stuff like this. The other pleasure I received from spending $9 extra dollars was hearing an additional track that I wished to have in my possession right then and there. Good ol instant gratification. Love the internet age.

[Hoodstock]

Nobody is making anyone buy anything. Last I checked, my money goes where I WANT it to go. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with artists offering bonus tracks wherever they choose. I'm certain that iTunes plays a huge role in this part as well. Afterall, they want to attract buyers and make money dont they?

Is there something wrong with making money? I like money. I need money. I want to make as much as I possibly can.

The pleasure for me was in doing something I've done for a very long time that brings me joy. That being buying the actual CD. Brings me back to the time before we had the internet for stuff like this. The other pleasure I received from spending $9 extra dollars was hearing an additional track that I wished to have in my possession right then and there. Good ol instant gratification. Love the internet age.

Ed should have made you a special edition CD for $99.99 where the final track is called "Thank You" and it literally is him saying "thank you" for being so stupid.

[Pokey]

Nobody is making anyone buy anything. Last I checked, my money goes where I WANT it to go. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with artists offering bonus tracks wherever they choose. I'm certain that iTunes plays a huge role in this part as well. Afterall, they want to attract buyers and make money dont they?

Is there something wrong with making money? I like money. I need money. I want to make as much as I possibly can.

The pleasure for me was in doing something I've done for a very long time that brings me joy. That being buying the actual CD. Brings me back to the time before we had the internet for stuff like this. The other pleasure I received from spending $9 extra dollars was hearing an additional track that I wished to have in my possession right then and there. Good ol instant gratification. Love the internet age.

And definitely some blame can be placed on itunes, again this isn't strictly about Ed. Although it does fit his character to love the idea of it.

I like money too, but I also don't like to waste my money, and buying an album I already have at full price just for one extra song is wasting most of that purchase.

Answer me this, there are 2 options.

You buy the album but it does not have a bonus track on it. You can either:

A). Buy the entire album again for $10 and get the bonus track

B). Buy the bonus track for .99c

Which would you do?

I don't get how people can justify this as something good. If you want to waste your money on it that's cool, its your money, it doesn't mean it should be done this way. Likewise if I don't want to spend my money on it and want to download the extra song for free I shouldn't be looked down on by those who bought it.
I'm sure people working at itunes or Ed isn't exactly going to be chucked out on the street in poverty over someone doing this. I wouldn't feel bad because I'd have already given the artist my $10, plus maybe money for a t-shirt, and concert tickets when they tour etc... it's not like I've just stolen a beggers coins from his upside down turned hat.

[jclive]

Ed should have made you a special edition CD for $99.99 where the final track is called "Thank You" and it literally is him saying "thank you" for being so stupid.

So next time I should ask you where I should spend my $9.00?

[Hoodstock]

So next time I should ask you where I should spend my $9.00?

I never said you needed to be smart to spend money. Spend away!

[PurdueSteve]

I personally don't see a problem so much with iTunes have an album-only bonus track, but rather that this information was NOT known beforehand. I think those that pre-ordered the album directly from the artist's website would reasonably not have expected there to be additional bonus tracks if purchased elsewhere.

Additionally, I think that having regional bonus tracks is fucking stooooopid as all shit. If you don't give people the opportunity to purchase the content, they likely, will just download it.

Nick, you should check out "A new world", oh wait, you can't. You said you bought the album 3 times, hopefully one of those purchases isn't from a non-US itunes purchase cause that too, would be illegal and you would be wrong for doing it.

[Hoodstock]

I personally don't see a problem so much with iTunes have an album-only bonus track, but rather that this information was NOT known beforehand. I think those that pre-ordered the album directly from the artist's website would reasonably not have expected there to be additional bonus tracks if purchased elsewhere.

I think that really hits it. Well stated.

[jclive]

And definitely some blame can be placed on itunes, again this isn't strictly about Ed. Although it does fit his character to love the idea of it.

I like money too, but I also don't like to waste my money, and buying an album I already have at full price just for one extra song is wasting most of that purchase.

Answer me this, there are 2 options.

You buy the album but it does not have a bonus track on it. You can either:

A). Buy the entire album again for $10 and get the bonus track

B). Buy the bonus track for .99c

Which would you do?

I don't get how people can justify this as something good. If you want to waste your money on it that's cool, its your money, it doesn't mean it should be done this way. Likewise if I don't want to spend my money on it and want to download the extra song for free I shouldn't be looked down on by those who bought it.
I'm sure people working at itunes or Ed isn't exactly going to be chucked out on the street in poverty over someone doing this. I wouldn't feel bad because I'd have already given the artist my $10, plus maybe money for a t-shirt, and concert tickets when they tour etc... it's not like I've just stolen a beggers coins from his upside down turned hat.

Well that's pretty simple isnt it? I'd buy the single for $.99. But yesterday, when the album was released, that wasn't an option. It wasnt a waste of money for me. The value to me had nothing to do with 11 tracks, and everything to do with 1.

After I bought it, I went to a mexican restaurant, ate dinner and had a couple beers. Spent ~$20. Was that also a waste, seeing as how I could have cooked mexican at home instead for a lot cheaper? Does that mean I SHOULD have eaten at home? Who decides?

So where do you draw the line on what is actually stealing, and what isnt?