Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[Aitkens]

You said give an example prior to 2005, I did. The callers that called in, one in particular said if that song is on the record I'd buy it...a non Live fan.....I tend to believe wholeheartedly if LID was released as a single it would have garnered more attention & sales of BOP. Yes Chad had influence, but we got the churchy singles didn't we?
2nd, yes that's what I said, we don't know.

Heaven, and Run Away. Both horrible singles. Wait, stop, check that. We also got Run Away featuring Shelby Lynn.

[LivesMeltdown]

Isn't that a record company issue? They choose the singles, not the band.

By the way, Heaven reached #2 on the Hot AC charts. Whether or not you like that genre, that's a matter of opinion, but Heaven did it's job.

This post has been edited by LivesMeltdown: Jul 7 2010, 10:18 am

[deepenoughtodive]

Actually, Heaven did really well. Run Away was a bad choice definitely. Should have been Like I Do.

[Aitkens]

Actually, Heaven did really well. Run Away was a bad choice definitely. Should have been Like I Do.

Doesn't take away that it was a shitty song.

[OutToDry]

IF the record company made the decision, fine. I think the band has say in this. I am willing to bet Ed had more than a hand in it. Heaven was a good single. Runaway sucked ass, period.

[SJN1279]

Doesn't take away that it was a shitty song.

In your opinion perhaps, but I feel Heaven is an excellent song.

Radioactive picked the singles for Birds of Pray, Ed Kowalczyk did not. Heaven was such a success on the Hot A/C format that Geffen wanted the follow-up to hit the same chart. Like I Do wouldn't fit Hot A/C so they chose Run Away(which actually hit the top 20).

[LivesMeltdown]

IF the record company made the decision, fine. I think the band has say in this. I am willing to bet Ed had more than a hand in it. Heaven was a good single. Runaway sucked ass, period.

I doubt that the band had much say in it at all, they really didn't have much leverage at the time. There was a show, I think in Atlanta 2001, before V came out where right before Deep Enough Ed goes "I think this is going to be the first single. I don't know, ask the fucking record company."

My guess is that Heaven was successful on the Hot AC charts. It originally wasn't originally suppose to be added to that genre, but it kinda gained steam and became a pretty big hit for the band. So, the record company tried to focus their next single in that same genre and they chose Run Away.

[Bremang]

You said give an example prior to 2005, I did. The callers that called in, one in particular said if that song is on the record I'd buy it...a non Live fan.....I tend to believe wholeheartedly if LID was released as a single it would have garnered more attention & sales of BOP. Yes Chad had influence, but we got the churchy singles didn't we?
2nd, yes that's what I said, we don't know.

I don't see how that is an example of Ed being passive aggressive. Can you explain the process of how singles get onto the radio and who decides? How do you know that the band didn't agree with the single choices? Maybe the interview was Ed's chance to say exactly how he felt about the album. That caller sounded weird as I recall. Its only one random guys opinion, in any case. Some dude listening to an Ed interview? It doesn't predict very much I'd say.


Heaven I'd say is the most churchy Live single, possibly the only churchy single they have. Meanwhile it was a hit which did well for the album. Aside from that, what other single has been really churchy by Live? They have tons of lyrics that are associated with Church, "I sank into Eden with you, alone in the church by and by"..uh oh, churchy?


I realize that you gave an example prior to 2005, which is only one bad example, but I was referring to how you said "call me rediculous, whatever", which was in reference to you saying that Ed was out to hurt Live from day 1.

Sorry about the misunderstanding the second point though, but I guess in that case you aren't saying for sure that Ed was trying to alienate the Live family, like you originally stated.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jul 7 2010, 10:30 am

[Aitkens]

In your opinion perhaps, but I feel Heaven is an excellent song.

Radioactive picked the singles for Birds of Pray, Ed Kowalczyk did not. Heaven was such a success on the Hot A/C format that Geffen wanted the follow-up to hit the same chart. Like I Do wouldn't fit Hot A/C so they chose Run Away(which actually hit the top 20).

Possibly better singles from BOP...

She
Like I Do
Lighthouse
River Town

[+Ed+]

Heaven, and Run Away. Both horrible singles. Wait, stop, check that. We also got Run Away featuring Shelby Lynn.

Heaven is a very nice single.

BTW never knew that they had the record company to chose the singles.... That kinda... sucks....

[Bremang]

IF the record company made the decision, fine. I think the band has say in this. I am willing to bet Ed had more than a hand in it. Heaven was a good single. Runaway sucked ass, period.

In any case, how was this passive aggressive towards the band? Even if Ed had full control of singles, and ultimately decided to choose run away, he would be trying to do what was best for the band probably, and not be passive aggressive.

[Bremang]

Heaven is a very nice single.

BTW never knew that they had the record company to chose the singles.... That kinda... sucks....

As per the Awake interview, Ed does say he fought hard for RTTW for the 2nd tdth single, so I think its only if Ed fights, and I'm sure it all depends on the overall situation. Live were still popular at the time and The Dolphins Cry was doing well, maybe it gave Ed more leverage.

[Bremang]

Possibly better singles from BOP...

She
Like I Do
Lighthouse
River Town

no kidding, but is that Ed's fault

[OutToDry]

I said it was Ed's MO to become the lone voice from day one and become the over influence...the frontman ego is a phenonmenon which is well documented. I never said 'hurt', those are your words. His series of behavior changes certainly killed the band as we used to see it.

I think the BOP singles thing was clarified by Nick. That caller didn't sound weird at all. He was very blunt and to the point saying, that is something I would buy, I like it.

We're not going to agree on anything so that's that pal. We;ll go around and around on the meanings of what we said and the syntax of it all. Symantics 101.

Tell us something, who do you support in this whole Live history? You never offer a deep opinion on what Live meant to you? You only take a side to an arguement and go from there.

[Aitkens]

no kidding, but is that Ed's fault

I didn't say it was Ed's fault. I just think that Heaven and Run Away are two shitty songs. We were told that BOP would take us back to the style that we all fell in love with. Well that style wasn't those 2 songs. In fact, it wasn't any of the songs on BOP. However, the 4 I listed were at least somewhat similar to what we wanted.