Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[Sakhmet2]

And that's the point I'm trying to make. Millions of people have bought albums from Live, hundreds of thousands have seen them in concert, but only a select few are "active" listeners, and only a select few are engaged enough to go online and discuss bands at length. Only a select few are musicians themselves.

But the majority of fans aren't.

These are the same fans that, unbelievably to you and me, didn't notice when Oasis toured the US without Liam.

These are the same people that don't notice when Wolfgang Van Halen was the bass player.

You couldn't get two more opposite rock drummers in Ray Luzier and Eric Kretz. Luzier is so on top of the beat he's playing the next song; Kretz is so far behind the beat he's playing yesterday's gig. Yet most people at STP shows didn't know one was subbing for the other.

Further, those that did know that buy the albums and go to the shows didn't care.

If Aerosmith tours/records without Steven Tyler, it would be difficult. Same with Joe Perry. but Tom Hamilton takes time off, they continue with a sub. Most people wouldn't know the difference and those that do still went anyway.

To the average fan, there are members that are replaceable, even if the hardcore fans don't think so.

These are the same fans that probably aren't even aware that KISS hasn't toured with Criss & Freheley - Who? - for some time now

[LiveRoCkS77]

A settlement isn't a loss, it is a settlement.

Shut the fuck up already Nick. You seriously have to be the most annoying asshole on the planet.

Ed wouldn't settle out of court if he did nothing wrong. He stole money from his friends. You seriously ok with that asshole??

Because I loved Live. I'm not ok with Ed stealing, resulting in the bands break up. I'm not ok with the fact that these guys have known each other their whole lives, only to have that friendship destroyed by the greed of one person.

You ok with that Nick? Are you really?? Now you're running around, supporting this asshole, knowing that he stole from his friends, causing the band to split and never reunite?? You ok with that Nick? Tells me what a fucking jerk off you really are, it really does.

Ed is fucking scum. Dude stole from people he grew up with. Stole from his friends and lied about it.

Anybody who is ok with that is a mindless moron who has no ethical standard. And yet Nick is running around talking about how TGF are being petty??

You are so hypocritical Nick, it's disgusting. All to be the next Jmmy Lang for Ed right? You think I don't see that's what you're doing? By weasalling your way in to being his super fan?? Running his admin, soon following him around at shows......all for the privelege of what Nick?? Getting to invite your friends to shows?? Free tickets? Merchandise??

Doesn't bother you the man is a thief who robbed us of our favorite band?? What an utter loser you are.

[+Ed+]

I hate to say, but Luke's posts sometimes make me bluahs for I could hardly ever imagined how full of those words English could be.

[Merica]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to this member again.

Bah......

[lovemachine97]

I'm no lawyer, and maybe I need to reread the complaint, but I am thinking that Ed might have been better off had he not paid the other guys $75,000. That way he could claim that he took a $1 million advance of his 70% share, not the entire pot which would result in the other guys getting 30% of the advance.

[Sakhmet2]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to this member again.

Bah......

Ditto.

[VoodooLady]

I'm no lawyer, and maybe I need to reread the complaint, but I am thinking that Ed might have been better off had he not paid the other guys $75,000. That way he could claim that he took a $1 million advance of his 70% share, not the entire pot which would result in the other guys getting 30% of the advance.

yeah, maybe legally that would make the argument easier.. but he'd still be an unethical, greedy douchebag..

[Bremang]

yeah, maybe legally that would make the argument easier.. but he'd still be an unethical, greedy douchebag..

Is it entirely unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs that you write? Would it be entirely unethical or greedy if Ed legally pursued a high paying deal? There is no saying at this point that Ed had no intention of making due to his bandmates. Ed could have been financially unable, or it could have been Levin who made the decision on Ed's finances.

[Bremang]

Shut the fuck up already Nick. You seriously have to be the most annoying asshole on the planet.

Ed wouldn't settle out of court if he did nothing wrong. He stole money from his friends. You seriously ok with that asshole??

Because I loved Live. I'm not ok with Ed stealing, resulting in the bands break up. I'm not ok with the fact that these guys have known each other their whole lives, only to have that friendship destroyed by the greed of one person.

You ok with that Nick? Are you really?? Now you're running around, supporting this asshole, knowing that he stole from his friends, causing the band to split and never reunite?? You ok with that Nick? Tells me what a fucking jerk off you really are, it really does.

Ed is fucking scum. Dude stole from people he grew up with. Stole from his friends and lied about it.

Anybody who is ok with that is a mindless moron who has no ethical standard. And yet Nick is running around talking about how TGF are being petty??

You are so hypocritical Nick, it's disgusting. All to be the next Jmmy Lang for Ed right? You think I don't see that's what you're doing? By weasalling your way in to being his super fan?? Running his admin, soon following him around at shows......all for the privelege of what Nick?? Getting to invite your friends to shows?? Free tickets? Merchandise??

Doesn't bother you the man is a thief who robbed us of our favorite band?? What an utter loser you are.

Its very likely that Ed is in the wrong...but it has not been determined yet that he stole ...jeez.

[Bremang]

I'm no lawyer, and maybe I need to reread the complaint, but I am thinking that Ed might have been better off had he not paid the other guys $75,000. That way he could claim that he took a $1 million advance of his 70% share, not the entire pot which would result in the other guys getting 30% of the advance.

We don't know much about the 75000....If he began paying the band, then it doesn't seem logical that he attempted to keep the rest.

[Pokey]

Is it entirely unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs that you write? Would it be entirely unethical or greedy if Ed legally pursued a high paying deal? There is no saying at this point that Ed had no intention of making due to his bandmates. Ed could have been financially unable, or it could have been Levin who made the decision on Ed's finances.

It's not unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs you write, I'm sure Ed is doing it now with his solo thing too, and the fact he's writing all the material should probably mean he should get all the money from that particular avenue.
What is unethical is to ask your bandmates of 20yrs to stop writing and let you do it all instead, and not just ask them, but make them sign something that legally stops them.

[OutToDry]

The method(s) he chose are certifiably douchebag!!!

[crazy1]

It's not unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs you write, I'm sure Ed is doing it now with his solo thing too, and the fact he's writing all the material should probably mean he should get all the money from that particular avenue.
What is unethical is to ask your bandmates of 20yrs to stop writing and let you do it all instead, and not just ask them, but make them sign something that legally stops them.

.....and to threaten to leave the band if he doesn't get his way!!!

[Bremang]

It's not unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs you write, I'm sure Ed is doing it now with his solo thing too, and the fact he's writing all the material should probably mean he should get all the money from that particular avenue.
What is unethical is to ask your bandmates of 20yrs to stop writing and let you do it all instead, and not just ask them, but make them sign something that legally stops them.

If it is not unethical to ask for all the writing credits for the songs that you write, and it is not unethical to take all the money, how do you propose a songwriter obtain his credits? So long as Ed copyrighted his music, how does this happen without a conversation and a signature? Ed was probably doing most of the songwriting for the past 20 years, and all of it on V anyway. I don't think it was too much of a difference in terms of how much music the rest of the band wrote. This was a measure for Ed to take a larger chunk of the royalties of the songs he wrote, which you said is ethical at least in some sense.

[Bremang]

.....and to threaten to leave the band if he doesn't get his way!!!

So you agree that it is unethical and greedy for Ed to take more credit for his songwriting?

Maybe it was a very generous portion that the other guys were receiving for the past 20 years?