Alive, Has anyone heard the CD?? Options

[Sonic Tonic]

With this band, yes, that's what its about. I simply do not enjoy Kevin's voice. Never liked Candlebox for the same reason. But I had no connection to Candlebox, so they never had a fighting chance.

I absolutely love the talent that Chad, Chad and Pat bring to the table. I've listened to them play for so many years of my life, why would I not give their new stuff a chance?? I will buy the CD, attend the show, etc. And maybe (hopefully) I'll enjoy it once I get to listen to the album and see them perform live.

Fair enough. I guess it's the same for me with Ed. I just don't care for what he's doing now at all.

[SecretInsomnia]

Anyone listened to In Your Light already? (awefull title, I know)
After listening to the album a few times I found myself kinda like this song. I know shouldn't, and I don't want to, but can't help thinking it's a nice catchy song. Just like with Out to Dry. I knew back then I it was too poppy for BoP and shouldnt like it, but I just liked it! Same with IYL (although it's on a much higher level of 'pop-ness' . It's not as over-catchy and bland as the Great Beyond or Just in Time, but I really like the chorus in In Your Light. Totally pop, I know. But, I think this is the perfect choice if Ed wants a strong and catchy 2nd single. Please dont let it be TGB or JIT.

[FishOutaWater]

Thank you for the kind words about my post.

I will give an example of my frustratingly pessemistic view of the potential for success.

A couple of years ago, Live performed their "single" Mystery on the finale of American Idol with arguably the most popular and influential American Idol contestants of all time - Chris Daughtry. Heck, Daughtry covered a Live arrangement of Walk The Line during the season and professed his love and admiration for Ed and Live. At the time, if Daughtry told his fans to jump off a bridge, every river in this country would have been blocked up by human flesh-dams made out of millions of teenage girls.

So let's summarize. Live's own new single Mystery. Finale of American Idol. Performed with Daughtry. That is better than a one hour commercial during the Super Bowl. It does not get better than that. Most musicians would cut off their own testicles and eat them in public in order to get an opportunity like that. Every song and performer that shows up on American Idol hits number one on iTunes the next day. The top three hits of the video of that guy singing "Pants On The Ground" on American Idol has 7.6 million views when I looked today.

What happened after that? Nothing. Crickets. No explosion of interest. No number one on iTunes. Heck, Live even recorded a duet of Mystery with Daughtry and never even released it as a single. No one ever heard Mystery on the radio. No one bought SFBM. Nothing happened. No one cared about Live. I was scratching my head like - what the heck? I love this band. What happened?

Do I think that somehow magically Ed or TGF is going to better than that? Probably not. I hope so. But probably not. After that American Idol event I realized that I may think Live is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do not have an objective perspective on everything they do.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jun 28 2010, 3:54 pm

[OutToDry]

Exhale, rinse, repeat, Exhale, rinse, repeat.

[SJN1279]

Thank you for the kind words about my post.

I will give an example of my frustratingly pessemistic view of the potential for success.

A couple of years ago, Live performed their "single" Mystery on the finale of American Idol with arguably the most popular and influential American Idol contestants of all time - Chris Daughtry. Heck, Daughtry covered a Live arrangement of Walk The Line during the season and professed his love and admiration for Ed and Live. At the time, if Daughtry told his fans to jump off a bridge, every river in this country would have been blocked up by human flesh-dams made out of millions of teenage girls.

So let's summarize. Live's own new single Mystery. Finale of American Idol. Performed with Daughtry. That is better than a one hour commercial during the Super Bowl. It does not get better than that. Most musicians would cut off their own testicles and eat them in public in order to get an opportunity like that. Every song and performer that shows up on American Idol hits number one on iTunes the next day. The top three hits of the video of that guy singing "Pants On The Ground" on American Idol has 7.6 million views when I looked today.

What happened after that? Nothing. Crickets. No explosion of interest. No number one on iTunes. Heck, Live even recorded a duet of Mystery with Daughtry and never even released it as a single. No one ever heard Mystery on the radio. No one bought SFBM. Nothing happened. No one cared about Live. I was scratching my head like - what the heck? I love this band. What happened?

Do I think that somehow magically Ed or TGF is going to better than that? Probably not. I hope so. But probably not. After that American Idol event I realized that I may think Live is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do not have an objective perspective on everything they do.

The fact that SFBM was on an indie imprint at the time had a lot to do with the single not exploding from the idol performance. The album did well on Itunes after the performance #7 in its first week and ended up #3 on the Billboard Indie charts. However, Live being indie precluded them from exploding with a new hit single in the states.

However, it is a shame that they couldn't get clearance to release the Mystery duet with Daughtry because that version had serious hit potential.

[SecretInsomnia]

Thank you for the kind words about my post.

I will give an example of my frustratingly pessemistic view of the potential for success.

A couple of years ago, Live performed their "single" Mystery on the finale of American Idol with arguably the most popular and influential American Idol contestants of all time - Chris Daughtry. Heck, Daughtry covered a Live arrangement of Walk The Line during the season and professed his love and admiration for Ed and Live. At the time, if Daughtry told his fans to jump off a bridge, every river in this country would have been blocked up by human flesh-dams made out of millions of teenage girls.

So let's summarize. Live's own new single Mystery. Finale of American Idol. Performed with Daughtry. That is better than a one hour commercial during the Super Bowl. It does not get better than that. Most musicians would cut off their own testicles and eat them in public in order to get an opportunity like that. Every song and performer that shows up on American Idol hits number one on iTunes the next day. The top three hits of the video of that guy singing "Pants On The Ground" on American Idol has 7.6 million views when I looked today.

What happened after that? Nothing. Crickets. No explosion of interest. No number one on iTunes. Heck, Live even recorded a duet of Mystery with Daughtry and never even released it as a single. No one ever heard Mystery on the radio. No one bought SFBM. Nothing happened. No one cared about Live. I was scratching my head like - what the heck? I love this band. What happened?

Do I think that somehow magically Ed or TGF is going to better than that? Probably not. I hope so. But probably not. After that American Idol event I realized that I may think Live is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do not have an objective perspective on everything they do.

Good points! Not to doubt your view (cuz I agree with it for the most part), but I think this Mystery thing was a little different story. If it's true what I heard from that period, the label totally dropped them and refused to promote the Mystery single. In fact, there never was a real Mystery single, only some promo-ones that were sent out. I think if it was promoted even a little bit, it could have been a giant hit. Also, not releasing the duet with Daughtry (especially in that TIME, PERIOD and MUSICAL IDOL-DAUGHTRY-HYPE-TIME), was the the most stupid thing that Live (or I think more likely Live's label), did. Well... let's say very close behind the number one supid thing, refusing to release Hold Me Up since 1994.

This post has been edited by SecretInsomnia: Jun 28 2010, 4:03 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Who is to say that success will determine whether TGF or Ed does another album? What is success?

There are a lot of bands making a living who are playing 400 person capacity venues on a nightly basis. If the guys want to be passionate about music then playing for thousands of people every night won't be as important.

[ItchyTriggerFinger]

Let's face it. Most of us are not objective. I am going to be brutally honest with my prediction right now. It's not what I want to see happen. What I want to see happen is for Ed to be moderately successful so that I can continue to hear his voice and hear his uplifting music. And I want TGF to be HUGELY successful because the guys deserve it, and I love their music, and I think that they should be the next Audioslave on merit alone. But if you put a gun to my head, here is what I think will happen:
The idea of the drummer, bassist and lead guitarist of the 90's rock band called Live (none of whom anybody outside of York, Pennsylvania or this message board can identify by name) and the lead singer of the one-hit 90's rock band Candlebox is not exactly going to make the kids today go wild and probably isn't going to set the world on fire. Should they? Absolutely Yes! Will they? Probably not. I don't think that TGF will be a blip on the music scene and we might not get another album after this one. So I am going to enjoy the heck out of every drop I can get right now because I am loving it.

Likewise, the news of "that bald guy who sang Lightening Crashes" who is older and more out of touch with the kids today isn't going to sell out arenas or crank out number one hits. I saw "Eddie K" play to about 75 people in the attic music room at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. That's about what I think we should expect. Should he be able to get popular? He's got a great voice. And he is making music that resembles what people want today. He seems to have tried to model a career path after his one-time admirer Daughtry. And if he doesn't make it, it wouldn't be for a lack of trying. Arguments aside, the guy sure works hard and knows how to play the game and work the business of the music business. But I don't think that people will care about songs from "the bald guy my mom used to like in college". Especially because Ed's music sounds like everybody else's music and it doesn't distinguish itself, and people are already plugged into the trendy artists that are cool to like.

So one of them might catch lightening in a bottle and grab a hold of that unexplainable, seemingly random "it" that catapults one band out of a million into stardom and popularilty. I mean, why in the world is Brett Michaels popular again? Both Ed and TGF have the goods to make it happen. Clearly in different genres now. But I don't think it is going to happen for either one of them. Look at SFBM which came from "Live". The US release of that album and its singles was an abortion. And the album and tour didn't make a ripple on the fabric of the music scene.

In the end, I think both ventures will fail to deliver success and we will all be faced with a long dry spell for about a decade. Ed will keep playing Live songs and make a living off it. CCP may go off the scene for a while. Then, in the year 2020, Live will reunite for a reunion tour and we will all get to see them at our local Summer State Fair. Then they will try to make another album, and it will be about as well received as a new album from Britney Fox or REO Speedwagon or Corey Hart. But all of us will love it and if Nick hasn't broken this website up and used it for firewood by that time, we may all meet back here in 2020 and start the Ed verses CCP debate all over again.

Wonderful post. Hope to hell that you're wrong, but your conclusion is well reasoned.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Thank you for the kind words about my post.

I will give an example of my frustratingly pessemistic view of the potential for success.

A couple of years ago, Live performed their "single" Mystery on the finale of American Idol with arguably the most popular and influential American Idol contestants of all time - Chris Daughtry. Heck, Daughtry covered a Live arrangement of Walk The Line during the season and professed his love and admiration for Ed and Live. At the time, if Daughtry told his fans to jump off a bridge, every river in this country would have been blocked up by human flesh-dams made out of millions of teenage girls.

So let's summarize. Live's own new single Mystery. Finale of American Idol. Performed with Daughtry. That is better than a one hour commercial during the Super Bowl. It does not get better than that. Most musicians would cut off their own testicles and eat them in public in order to get an opportunity like that. Every song and performer that shows up on American Idol hits number one on iTunes the next day. The top three hits of the video of that guy singing "Pants On The Ground" on American Idol has 7.6 million views when I looked today.

What happened after that? Nothing. Crickets. No explosion of interest. No number one on iTunes. Heck, Live even recorded a duet of Mystery with Daughtry and never even released it as a single. No one ever heard Mystery on the radio. No one bought SFBM. Nothing happened. No one cared about Live. I was scratching my head like - what the heck? I love this band. What happened?

Do I think that somehow magically Ed or TGF is going to better than that? Probably not. I hope so. But probably not. After that American Idol event I realized that I may think Live is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do not have an objective perspective on everything they do.

Personally I think this had more to do with Mystery being a song that is so bad that American Idol watchers couldn't even enjoy it.

But, that's just my opinion.

[OutToDry]

American Idol sucks sucks sucks

Ed trying to be Daughtry is worse.

[LiveFan92]

All of this talk about Kool Aid is making me thirsty... for some water... from my desert!

[jclive]

Thank you for the kind words about my post.

I will give an example of my frustratingly pessemistic view of the potential for success.

A couple of years ago, Live performed their "single" Mystery on the finale of American Idol with arguably the most popular and influential American Idol contestants of all time - Chris Daughtry. Heck, Daughtry covered a Live arrangement of Walk The Line during the season and professed his love and admiration for Ed and Live. At the time, if Daughtry told his fans to jump off a bridge, every river in this country would have been blocked up by human flesh-dams made out of millions of teenage girls.

So let's summarize. Live's own new single Mystery. Finale of American Idol. Performed with Daughtry. That is better than a one hour commercial during the Super Bowl. It does not get better than that. Most musicians would cut off their own testicles and eat them in public in order to get an opportunity like that. Every song and performer that shows up on American Idol hits number one on iTunes the next day. The top three hits of the video of that guy singing "Pants On The Ground" on American Idol has 7.6 million views when I looked today.

What happened after that? Nothing. Crickets. No explosion of interest. No number one on iTunes. Heck, Live even recorded a duet of Mystery with Daughtry and never even released it as a single. No one ever heard Mystery on the radio. No one bought SFBM. Nothing happened. No one cared about Live. I was scratching my head like - what the heck? I love this band. What happened?

Do I think that somehow magically Ed or TGF is going to better than that? Probably not. I hope so. But probably not. After that American Idol event I realized that I may think Live is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I do not have an objective perspective on everything they do.

Another gem!

Here in my small sphere of the world, Live pretty much ceased to exist after everyone bought SS and realized that it couldnt hold a candle to TC. End of the line for that band that sings the Lightning Crashes song! Me, I will sit back and look forward to the reunion tour!

[FishOutaWater]

Whether it was Indie or not, you could find the album in record stores and online on iTunes, which where they say most individual song sales occur. It's not like millions of people heard the song and wanted to buy it but just could figure out a way to get their hands on it.

About 2 weeks before the American Idol performance they also appeared on Howard Stern. They gave a fantastic interview. It was very funny (this was the interview in which they talked about their marriages in a way that made Howard Stern interested - let's not say any more than that). They had a long half-hour segment. Then they had the opportunity to play Mystery and announce it as their single and they played I Alone to promotionally tie what they were doing on SFBM with Throwing Copper. Again, I exaggerate a little bit, but every guest that goes on Howard Stern ends up having a top ten searched website on Google statistics that day. Commedians sell out Carnegie Hall. Authors go to the top of the NY Time Best Seller list. Movies get better box office. Howard gives performers a huge platform. This is true on Sirius just as it was on regular radio.

So in a two week period, Mystery got a huge push on Howard Stern and was performed by Live and Daughtry on the American Idol finale. And they got crickets. I don;t think that was because the record company didn't give them a push. If the public wanted that song, they could could have bought it. I love Mystery. I love SFBM. But I don't think that the rest of the world feels the same way I do.

Just to bring this back to the original topic - based on the short clips and full songs that I have heard from Alive, I don't know that Ed is doing any very different than SFBM, so I don't think he will get a different result doing youtube interviews with some scary-looking dude in Hamburg next to a shipyard filled with barges and pallates being dropped on the dock in the background than he did on the American Idol finale with Daughtry and a nice long Howard Stern interview.

[OutToDry]

Fish, you are wise beyond your years!!!

[drewgood]

Can I trouble someone to PM me where to download? I pre-ordered, but it looks like New World and Eat Your Love won't be on it, so I'm hoping to hear everything. Grateful to anyone who can help.