Alive, Has anyone heard the CD?? Options

[Badman]

Can we all start talking about this album again? We have threads for arguing between camps already.

[Pokey]

Of the 11 songs Ed released on the CD, Ed has already played 7 in concert.

What about the other 4 and the reported few bonus tracks? This was my point earlier. Not playing all your new material just shows to me a lack of confidence in that new material.

[jclive]

It isn't strange to you that he has a full album of new material and he performs less than half of it? I'd rather hear an artist play the music that they are most connected to than what markets them best.

If TGF went further than saying "members of Live and Candlebox" and playing one or two songs per show then I would find it to be really disappointing. Hell, I enjoyed their own material much more than the covers they did anyway.

So far, yes, a little strange. Interested to see how that changes with the CD actually being released.

[tiger]

But that has nothing at all to do with integrity.

Sure it does. They could pimp Live and Candlebox a lot more for short term effect. Their refrain shows not only confidence and integrity but also respect for the fans that are supporting them for being TGF. This will pay huge dividends going forward.

[jclive]

Even if you heard "Honest Man" on the radio and really enjoyed it, with no prior exposure to the band?

I agree that this particular issue isn't about integrity, but given the reported circumstances surrounding the band break-up then I can see how it could be interpreted that way. That's speculative though.

Honestly, if I had no connection and just heard them on the radio, I would not go out of my way to see them. I'm just not a fan of Kevin's voice. I find it hard to listen to. I enjoy Honest Man, but I'm certain its because I know that it is from 3 members of my favorite band.

[jclive]

Can we all start talking about this album again? We have threads for arguing between camps already.

Oh come on, that's not what this board is all about!

[SJN1279]

What about the other 4 and the reported few bonus tracks? This was my point earlier. Not playing all your new material just shows to me a lack of confidence in that new material.

Live never played all the tracks from their new materials at shows, why would Ed change that practice now?

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I guess I just dont see the 'misleading' aspect of if. If I see an artist blling him/herself as "Artist Name" of "Band ABC", I'll assume that I'm seeing that artist, and not the band. Hope to hear some of ABC's tunes though! Maybe thats just me.

That is a very common, casual perspective. You've gotta remember though that most people who bother to come to a message board for a band likely have a stronger connection to the music than that. Its a lot more difficult to accept. Not trying to rate anyone's fandom, just providing an explanation.

For me, it is more about the music. If Ed is really excited to "spread his wings" and to get away from Live, as he says he is, then why does everything about his advertising and concert set lists say otherwise? That is what I just don't get.

Badman, I agree, I would like to see a thread where people who are enjoying the album can discuss it.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Live never played all the tracks from their new materials at shows, why would Ed change that practice now?

Because he is spreading his wings and excited to move away from Live, or so he keeps saying.

That is really comparing apples to oranges.

[Sonic Tonic]

That being said, If I didn't know that Chad, Chad and Pat were a part of TGF, I would not go see them.

See that's a problem right here. You would only see them cause they are from Live not because they are making some great music that they are proud of. Have you listened to any of the TGF music?
If that's the case why would you go see them play music that you don't like? Would you meet them after their set and tell them how you enjoy Live but you don't like TGF? why go then?

Or did you just mean you would not see them in concert because you wouldn't have heard of them? I hope this is what you mean.

edit: well I guess you have answered the question. So it's all about connection to what they were not the music they are making now. To each their own.

This post has been edited by Sonic Tonic: Jun 28 2010, 3:08 pm

[jclive]

That is a very common, casual perspective. You've gotta remember though that most people who bother to come to a message board for a band likely have a stronger connection to the music than that. Its a lot more difficult to accept. Not trying to rate anyone's fandom, just providing an explanation.

For me, it is more about the music. If Ed is really excited to "spread his wings" and to get away from Live, as he says he is, then why does everything about his advertising and concert set lists say otherwise? That is what I just don't get.

Badman, I agree, I would like to see a thread where people who are enjoying the album can discuss it.

Yes, definitely a common perspective. But from a success point of view, that common perspective is what ultimately pays the bills. Most people who come to a message board dont even make up a fraction of a percentage of who will buy a band's CD, attend a concert, etc.

Will be interested to see how Ed's performances progress going forward. Is he just using Live as the stepping-stone (nothing wrong with that)? Or is he going to hold on to it (nothing wrong with that either)?

Ed has a ton of talent, but answering interview questions has never been his strong point.

And hey, the CD isn't out yet here in the states, how do I know what to say about it??

[FishOutaWater]

Let's face it. Most of us are not objective. I am going to be brutally honest with my prediction right now. It's not what I want to see happen. What I want to see happen is for Ed to be moderately successful so that I can continue to hear his voice and hear his uplifting music. And I want TGF to be HUGELY successful because the guys deserve it, and I love their music, and I think that they should be the next Audioslave on merit alone. But if you put a gun to my head, here is what I think will happen:


The idea of the drummer, bassist and lead guitarist of the 90's rock band called Live (none of whom anybody outside of York, Pennsylvania or this message board can identify by name) and the lead singer of the one-hit 90's rock band Candlebox is not exactly going to make the kids today go wild and probably isn't going to set the world on fire. Should they? Absolutely Yes! Will they? Probably not. I don't think that TGF will be a blip on the music scene and we might not get another album after this one. So I am going to enjoy the heck out of every drop I can get right now because I am loving it.

Likewise, the news of "that bald guy who sang Lightening Crashes" who is older and more out of touch with the kids today isn't going to sell out arenas or crank out number one hits. I saw "Eddie K" play to about 75 people in the attic music room at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. That's about what I think we should expect. Should he be able to get popular? He's got a great voice. And he is making music that resembles what people want today. He seems to have tried to model a career path after his one-time admirer Daughtry. And if he doesn't make it, it wouldn't be for a lack of trying. Arguments aside, the guy sure works hard and knows how to play the game and work the business of the music business. But I don't think that people will care about songs from "the bald guy my mom used to like in college". Especially because Ed's music sounds like everybody else's music and it doesn't distinguish itself, and people are already plugged into the trendy artists that are cool to like.

So one of them might catch lightening in a bottle and grab a hold of that unexplainable, seemingly random "it" that catapults one band out of a million into stardom and popularilty. I mean, why in the world is Brett Michaels popular again? Both Ed and TGF have the goods to make it happen. Clearly in different genres now. But I don't think it is going to happen for either one of them. Look at SFBM which came from "Live". The US release of that album and its singles was an abortion. And the album and tour didn't make a ripple on the fabric of the music scene.

In the end, I think both ventures will fail to deliver success and we will all be faced with a long dry spell for about a decade. Ed will keep playing Live songs and make a living off it. CCP may go off the scene for a while. Then, in the year 2020, Live will reunite for a reunion tour and we will all get to see them at our local Summer State Fair. Then they will try to make another album, and it will be about as well received as a new album from Britney Fox or REO Speedwagon or Corey Hart. But all of us will love it and if Nick hasn't broken this website up and used it for firewood by that time, we may all meet back here in 2020 and start the Ed verses CCP debate all over again.

[jclive]

See that's a problem right here. You would only see them cause they are from Live not because they are making some great music that they are proud of. Have you listened to any of the TGF music?
If that's the case why would you go see them play music that you don't like? Would you meet them after their set and tell them how you enjoy Live but you don't like TGF? why go then?

Or did you just mean you would not see them in concert because you wouldn't have heard of them? I hope this is what you mean.

edit: well I guess you have answered the question. So it's all about connection to what they were not the music they are making now. To each their own.

With this band, yes, that's what its about. I simply do not enjoy Kevin's voice. Never liked Candlebox for the same reason. But I had no connection to Candlebox, so they never had a fighting chance.

I absolutely love the talent that Chad, Chad and Pat bring to the table. I've listened to them play for so many years of my life, why would I not give their new stuff a chance?? I will buy the CD, attend the show, etc. And maybe (hopefully) I'll enjoy it once I get to listen to the album and see them perform live.

[Sonic Tonic]

Let's face it. Most of us are not objective. I am going to be brutally honest with my prediction right now. It's not what I want to see happen. What I want to see happen is for Ed to be moderately successful so that I can continue to hear his voice and hear his uplifting music. And I want TGF to be HUGELY successful because the guys deserve it, and I love their music, and I think that they should be the next Audioslave on merit alone. But if you put a gun to my head, here is what I think will happen:
The idea of the drummer, bassist and lead guitarist of the 90's rock band called Live (none of whom anybody outside of York, Pennsylvania or this message board can identify by name) and the lead singer of the one-hit 90's rock band Candlebox is not exactly going to make the kids today go wild and probably isn't going to set the world on fire. Should they? Absolutely Yes! Will they? Probably not. I don't think that TGF will be a blip on the music scene and we might not get another album after this one. So I am going to enjoy the heck out of every drop I can get right now because I am loving it.

Likewise, the news of "that bald guy who sang Lightening Crashes" who is older and more out of touch with the kids today isn't going to sell out arenas or crank out number one hits. I saw "Eddie K" play to about 75 people in the attic music room at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. That's about what I think we should expect. Should he be able to get popular? He's got a great voice. And he is making music that resembles what people want today. He seems to have tried to model a career path after his one-time admirer Daughtry. And if he doesn't make it, it wouldn't be for a lack of trying. Arguments aside, the guy sure works hard and knows how to play the game and work the business of the music business. But I don't think that people will care about songs from "the bald guy my mom used to like in college". Especially because Ed's music sounds like everybody else's music and it doesn't distinguish itself, and people are already plugged into the trendy artists that are cool to like.

So one of them might catch lightening in a bottle and grab a hold of that unexplainable, seemingly random "it" that catapults one band out of a million into stardom and popularilty. I mean, why in the world is Brett Michaels popular again? Both Ed and TGF have the goods to make it happen. Clearly in different genres now. But I don't think it is going to happen for either one of them. Look at SFBM which came from "Live". The US release of that album and its singles was an abortion. And the album and tour didn't make a ripple on the fabric of the music scene.

In the end, I think both ventures will fail to deliver success and we will all be faced with a long dry spell for about a decade. Ed will keep playing Live songs and make a living off it. CCP may go off the scene for a while. Then, in the year 2020, Live will reunite for a reunion tour and we will all get to see them at our local Summer State Fair. Then they will try to make another album, and it will be about as well received as a new album from Britney Fox or REO Speedwagon or Corey Hart. But all of us will love it and if Nick hasn't broken this website up and used it for firewood by that time, we may all meet back here in 2020 and start the Ed verses CCP debate all over again.

You said it all right there. Nothing should be left to say anymore. Great post man.

[jclive]

Let's face it. Most of us are not objective. I am going to be brutally honest with my prediction right now. It's not what I want to see happen. What I want to see happen is for Ed to be moderately successful so that I can continue to hear his voice and hear his uplifting music. And I want TGF to be HUGELY successful because the guys deserve it, and I love their music, and I think that they should be the next Audioslave on merit alone. But if you put a gun to my head, here is what I think will happen:
The idea of the drummer, bassist and lead guitarist of the 90's rock band called Live (none of whom anybody outside of York, Pennsylvania or this message board can identify by name) and the lead singer of the one-hit 90's rock band Candlebox is not exactly going to make the kids today go wild and probably isn't going to set the world on fire. Should they? Absolutely Yes! Will they? Probably not. I don't think that TGF will be a blip on the music scene and we might not get another album after this one. So I am going to enjoy the heck out of every drop I can get right now because I am loving it.

Likewise, the news of "that bald guy who sang Lightening Crashes" who is older and more out of touch with the kids today isn't going to sell out arenas or crank out number one hits. I saw "Eddie K" play to about 75 people in the attic music room at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. That's about what I think we should expect. Should he be able to get popular? He's got a great voice. And he is making music that resembles what people want today. He seems to have tried to model a career path after his one-time admirer Daughtry. And if he doesn't make it, it wouldn't be for a lack of trying. Arguments aside, the guy sure works hard and knows how to play the game and work the business of the music business. But I don't think that people will care about songs from "the bald guy my mom used to like in college". Especially because Ed's music sounds like everybody else's music and it doesn't distinguish itself, and people are already plugged into the trendy artists that are cool to like.

So one of them might catch lightening in a bottle and grab a hold of that unexplainable, seemingly random "it" that catapults one band out of a million into stardom and popularilty. I mean, why in the world is Brett Michaels popular again? Both Ed and TGF have the goods to make it happen. Clearly in different genres now. But I don't think it is going to happen for either one of them. Look at SFBM which came from "Live". The US release of that album and its singles was an abortion. And the album and tour didn't make a ripple on the fabric of the music scene.

In the end, I think both ventures will fail to deliver success and we will all be faced with a long dry spell for about a decade. Ed will keep playing Live songs and make a living off it. CCP may go off the scene for a while. Then, in the year 2020, Live will reunite for a reunion tour and we will all get to see them at our local Summer State Fair. Then they will try to make another album, and it will be about as well received as a new album from Britney Fox or REO Speedwagon or Corey Hart. But all of us will love it and if Nick hasn't broken this website up and used it for firewood by that time, we may all meet back here in 2020 and start the Ed verses CCP debate all over again.

Very well said.