Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons), not so legal after all? Options

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Just some observations..

Is there anyone here who absolutely prefers TGF's music over Ed's yet thinks that Ed is in the right here? Likewise is there anyone who absolutely prefers Ed's music but thinks TGF is in the right here? The majority of the "wait and see" people seem to be the ones that have not shown any major preference in terms of the music, Merica for example.

It seems very much like everyone has "their side" and so on. It's interesting. It's like football, if I go to a match you'll see some guy from team A get done for "holding the ball" and all the supporters of team B will yell for a free kick. Yet the exact same thing will happen in reverse and they'll say "theres no way theres a free kick involved!", simply because it's not their team that stands to gain from it. They simply are seeing things the way they want to and interpruting them a certain way.

It just seems like we're going around in circles and the arguments are all mirroring previous ones. We've had the argument where Nick see's music as an industry and just a business to generate sales and how he can't see the art in music. It's funny how him and people of that side are the ones who are talking about what is "good business" and all the legal stand points of this. You have people who appreciate TGF more and talk about music as an art form arguing from a moral stand point. There seems to be a clear devide between creative thinkers and business thinkers (for lack of a better term).
It seems to mirror the 2 sides ... Ed seems to be all about wanting people to sign contracts and money and telephone calls and pendants and all this sort of stuff. It's what people like Ned want in a "rockstar".
anyways, carry on .. just .2c worth

For me it has more to do with the band's creative direction since TDTH than any of the current music.

Its just been a long time coming is all.

[Sonic Tonic]

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[Infrequent Poster]

I dunno what to say, my respect for all members of Live is dwindling. That Ed would even ever dream up that ultimatum of "I get all song credit or I leave the band" is not as shocking as it should be at this point, but still shocking nonetheless. I mean, there were rumors back in 1999 about Ed be very controlling, but I never knew it became this ultimatum.

The guys in Live accepting Ed's ultimatum, for whatever reasons, is also very shocking. And I'm sorry to say it, but their reason of accepting it out "friendship" is a huge flaming piece of bullshit. When your "friend" is giving you an ultimatum like Ed did , I wouldn't consider him much of a "friend" anymore. It's quite obvious there was no more friendship there, just business. Again, I hate to say it but one could speculate they agreed to Ed's ultimatum until they figured they could sell more albums in a new band. Or they had hoped Live started to sell well again, which obviously didn't happen.

I know I'll get flamed for all of this, but I'm just trying to wrap my head around how they ever agreed to that ultimatum.

I can understand it. The band is all they've known for years and Ed was their friend. I'm sure it set off warning bells but after nearly 20 years of performing together the desire to keep things the same probably outweighed the shock at what Ed demanded.

Before you reply, consider one question:
Would we be hearing about this if Live had made a sudden & huge return to popularity after the ultimatum?

Sadly, I agree with your answer to that question. If Live returned to multi-platinum success I doubt we would have heard much, if anything about this. It's easy to over look these type of problems when money's being shoveled into your account.

[Sakhmet2]

It seems to mirror the 2 sides ... Ed seems to be all about wanting people to sign contracts and money and telephone calls and pendants and all this sort of stuff. It's what people like Ned want in a "rockstar".
anyways, carry on .. just .2c worth

I think unless they're complete idiots - and they so obviously are not - the rest of the band have to have some interest in contracts and merchandise. This is, after all, the band that financed themselves as teenagers with the sale of junk bonds. And lets' not forget, a lot of merchandise with the whole band's name on it has been sold over the years, and TGF will probably do their own kind of merchandising as well.
This is how bands really make money. One of the few things I know about music is that for many bands sale of merchandise is the major money-maker since royalties on cds are usually not that great, and playing gigs in smaller venues is sometimes just over break-even.

This is not the much-maligned "business" viewpoint, this is common sense. These guys have a living to earn and dependents to support just like everyone else.

I can understand it. The band is all they've known for years and Ed was their friend. I'm sure it set off warning bells but after nearly 20 years of performing together the desire to keep things the same probably outweighed the shock at what Ed demanded.
Sadly, I agree with your answer to that question. If Live returned to multi-platinum success I doubt we would have heard much, if anything about this. It's easy to over look these type of problems when money's being shoveled into your account.

That's how I feel, too.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Jun 15 2010, 10:46 am

[Pokey]

And this "very good friend", lets say he got the defensive position, but then you decided you wanted it. Would you turn to him and say "ok if you don't give me that position then I'm leaving?"

Still waiting on this one Ned.

[Merica]

I bet if V was Ed's solo, it would have gotten more credit than it has right now...

That's a cracking point, Ed. Doesn't really mean much, or matter, but a cracking thought nonetheless.

Saying "cracking" makes me sound very English, doesn't it?

[Pokey]

That's a cracking point, Ed. Doesn't really mean much, or matter, but a cracking thought nonetheless.

Saying "cracking" makes me sound very English, doesn't it?

Absolutely does, keep it up!
You could also say something like "that's a whizzer good point!" .. I heard "whizzer" a lot while I was there .... for ... some reason.

[Merica]

Absolutely does, keep it up!
You could also say something like "that's a whizzer good point!" .. I heard "whizzer" a lot while I was there .... for ... some reason.

Whizzer? That's a new one on me, Pokey. You must have visited a different part of the country.

Cheerio, old boy. I've got to pop off to the country club for a spot of the old croquet!

[LivesMeltdown]

Whatever the truth is, it still doesn't change the fact that they created some great music IMO and brought me a lot of memories and hopefully many more in their future projects.

This is why you can't get attached to a specific celebrity (athlete, actor, musician, etc) because you never know what kind of person they are. You can see them and meet them hundreds of time but you don't know what is truly going on behind the scenes.

This post has been edited by LivesMeltdown: Jun 15 2010, 11:01 am

[Pokey]

Whizzer? That's a new one on me, Pokey. You must have visited a different part of the country.

Cheerio, old boy. I've got to pop off to the country club for a spot of the old croquet!

Now say something that involves "apples and pears"!

[Sakhmet2]

Whizzer? That's a new one on me, Pokey. You must have visited a different part of the country.

Cheerio, old boy. I've got to pop off to the country club for a spot of the old croquet!

It's all tea and marmite with you lot, innit?

[Merica]

Now say something that involves "apples and pears"!

Ah, yeah, see - that's the bottom end of the country. London, really. I'm closer to the top. But still, I have to go up the apples carefully or else I might end up brown if I fall down! That's actually how they'd say something. But can you work out what it is?

Also, to keep it all on topic... uhhhh, yeah, Ed's been a bit of a dick lol.

[Pokey]

Ah, yeah, see - that's the bottom end of the country. London, really. I'm closer to the top. But still, I have to go up the apples carefully or else I might end up brown if I fall down! That's actually how they'd say something. But can you work out what it is?

Also, to keep it all on topic... uhhhh, yeah, Ed's been a bit of a dick lol.

Oh yeah I know apples and pears, just wanted to hear you put it in a sentence. If we all talked with London slang it would be a much better world.

Maybe that's what Ed was trying to do, "Here guys, sign my London slang petition, it says "I agree that Ed gets all da monies" but what it really means is "Sign here if you're awesome!"

[Merica]

Exactly. It could actually just be the best swerve in the history of the world.

[+Ed+]

That's a cracking point, Ed. Doesn't really mean much, or matter, but a cracking thought nonetheless.

Saying "cracking" makes me sound very English, doesn't it?

Top o da mornin' la! Cheers, y'know what I mean

Now say something that involves "apples and pears"!

rofl