TGF v. Ed Success Options

[SinfulEyes]

Based on what we know, who do you feel will have more success in the near future when it comes to album sales, general public perception and reputation?

I think we all know who gives Eddie K. his one vote on this poll.

[Pokey]

Based on reputation and respect and all that, TGF hands down. I've played some TGF to people who were not overly fond of Live, mostly because all they knew of Live were what was played on the radio and saw them like many people do, pretty lame. A few of these people are in bands, one a sound engineer, another a writer for a music mag .. generally people who have a more vested interest in music than your average listener. People who can see music from a technical stand point and know the industry ... they were all really impressed with TGF and the main comment was "So Live's done stuff like this before?" .. which lead to the conversation of the lesser known songs on TC and all of SS ... Ed's stuff would have been laughed at. So for everything other than sales, I'd say TGF.

As for the sales, that's anyones guess. Possibly Ed because his side of things seems more focused on getting sales as opposed to spreading the music.

[VoodooLady]

In the near future- (meaning the two new albums) -- TGF.

they are bringing fans together from not one, but two bands - so that broadens the appeal. Plus there is something exciting about watching these guys build something new.

ed's success will come later - when Live reunites and all contribute to the song/music writing to make an awesome comeback album (that doesnt have the words sun or water in it)

[Sakhmet2]

make an awesome comeback album (that doesnt have the words sun or water in it)

Also the words: eat, love, etc.

[sh4rpz]

I definately favour the sound of TGF and the music they are putting out over Ed's stuff. I don't know who will be more successful though - how do you rate success? Album sales? Lyrical content? Sound?

I think TGF are setting out to do their thing - play their brand of music - something they wanted to do for a long time - I think they also realise that the die hard LIVE fan (like some of us) have been looking for the sound of the early 90's LIVE and they wanted to give that back to us. So from that stand point, that in itself is a success.

In terms of record sales, it will just depend on what the rest of the world want - I'm not sure the majority of people out there will go out and buy this record just because it is a great rock n roll record. I think they will go with what's mainstream and what's played on mainstream radio and that's what Ed is doing and he's obviously milking the word 'LIVE' and his association with the band as much as he can to 'sell' what he's doing, so he might be more recognisable to those outside the LIVE fanbase.

Not many people are gonna hear TGF and know 'Wow that's 3/4 the band LIVE, they sound good, I'm gonna buy me that'.

It's a tough one - but sound wise, it's TGF hands down.

This post has been edited by sh4rpz: May 21 2010, 6:08 pm

[sh4rpz]

Based on reputation and respect and all that, TGF hands down. I've played some TGF to people who were not overly fond of Live, mostly because all they knew of Live were what was played on the radio and saw them like many people do, pretty lame. A few of these people are in bands, one a sound engineer, another a writer for a music mag .. generally people who have a more vested interest in music than your average listener. People who can see music from a technical stand point and know the industry ... they were all really impressed with TGF and the main comment was "So Live's done stuff like this before?" .. which lead to the conversation of the lesser known songs on TC and all of SS ... Ed's stuff would have been laughed at. So for everything other than sales, I'd say TGF.

As for the sales, that's anyones guess. Possibly Ed because his side of things seems more focused on getting sales as opposed to spreading the music.

Agree with you here.

[SinfulEyes]

Looks like Nick voted twice?

[Infrequent Poster]

This isn't an easy question to answer. By strict album sales I would not be surprised if Ed pulled ahead of TGF as Ed's sound is more in line with what today's radio plays. TGF gets those of us who grew up in the late 80s and 90s really excited, but does it translate to the younger folk? Or to people on the other end of the spectrum? Hard to tell, though my guess is both will do relatively well, but neither will see multi-platinum success though I do hope TGF does.

[TheBeacon]

Does anyone know what the last track on the TGF sampler is called? If TGF get any serious airplay on mainstream radio it will be that song. I know its a slower one but they could have some good success with Honest Man and Appetite on rock stations and that last track on mainstream radio stations as a single.

[OutToDry]

Does anyone know what the last track on the TGF sampler is called? If TGF get any serious airplay on mainstream radio it will be that song. I know its a slower one but they could have some good success with Honest Man and Appetite on rock stations and that last track on mainstream radio stations as a single.

I get the impression from the Bio on Facebook that it might be called 'Song'. I think its a nice power ballad. That being said.....I really hope they release Guilty Fever...that may be even more catchy than Honest Man.



I think the album will be totally great with prime meat cover to cover

[Bremang]

Music wise, it will be difficult to fathom Ed's new album to be any good; Zion excluded, that songs alright. If Ed taps into the Jesus/AC market, I see him potentially picking up some Christian rock fans.

TFG, probably no breakthrough singles in that CD, though new music from TFG might stand to pick up some Candlebox/Live fans.


Album sales, public perception, reputation - I'd have to count Ed to win because most of the public is uniformed, and Ed Kowalczyk is famous as the rock star from Live. Of all the variables, I think that is the strongest factor in this equation. Ed has lots of built up worldwide reputation points to burn.

[Sakhmet2]

In terms of record sales, it will just depend on what the rest of the world want - I'm not sure the majority of people out there will go out and buy this record just because it is a great rock n roll record.

Everything these days is image, marketing and mainstream radio play. Music videos may no longer rule like they did in the 90s and 80s, but having a defined image and easily categorized sound is still really important for financial success.

This isn't an easy question to answer. By strict album sales I would not be surprised if Ed pulled ahead of TGF as Ed's sound is more in line with what today's radio plays. TGF gets those of us who grew up in the late 80s and 90s really excited, but does it translate to the younger folk? Or to people on the other end of the spectrum? Hard to tell, though my guess is both will do relatively well, but neither will see multi-platinum success

Unless you're pop or "urban" music, and one of the original giants like U2, not many see multi-platinum these days. And multi-platinum what? Individual song downloads? I'm not even sure I understand the measure of success based only on music sales anymore. Maybe that's why everybody has a reality show, or a clothing line or some such shit.

Hey I've got an idea for a reality show based on ex-members of Live. Just give me a little time to flesh it out.

Album sales, public perception, reputation - I'd have to count Ed to win because most of the public is uniformed, and Ed Kowalczyk is famous as the rock star from Live. Of all the variables, I think that is the strongest factor in this equation. Ed has lots of built up worldwide reputation points to burn.

Given what I said about image above, I'd agree with Bremang that Ed has a certain advantage. He's had a higher public profile, he can be pegged into a category (singer/songwriter), niche market/s (adult alternative, Christian rock, maybe even adult contemporary). The bald head means he's even more recognizable although these days people might confuse him with Daughtry


This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 22 2010, 10:14 am

[LiveFan92]

I definately favour the sound of TGF and the music they are putting out over Ed's stuff. I don't know who will be more successful though - how do you rate success? Album sales? Lyrical content? Sound?

That's the key question.

I think, if they both put out the albums THEY want to put out, them they're both successful in the way that counts as an artist.

You may think what Ed is doing is shit, but if he's digging it, then it's working for him, and that's cool. He's obviously not making his brand of music for you.

There will be folks who think TGF's music is shit, too, you know? That doesn't make it anymore true than those who don't like Ed's music.

It's all subjective.

So I would say success is defined by the goals you set for yourself.

[OutToDry]

Cant argue with that

[Sakhmet2]

That's the key question.

I think, if they both put out the albums THEY want to put out, them they're both successful in the way that counts as an artist.

You may think what Ed is doing is shit, but if he's digging it, then it's working for him, and that's cool. He's obviously not making his brand of music for you.

There will be folks who think TGF's music is shit, too, you know? That doesn't make it anymore true than those who don't like Ed's music.

It's all subjective.

So I would say success is defined by the goals you set for yourself.

You are wise, Master Yoda. I hope your voice is heard.