No More Ed Bashing For Me, Time for the healing...time to move on Options

[maccaz69]

Nice post .. I don't think I can be quite so diplomatic just yet

As you've said, a lot wouldn't have been possible without Ed ... those first 4 albums will forever be some of my favorites, and I can't deny the incredible energy, passion and talent that Ed showed on them.

I have trouble still with Ed pissing on this though, bastardising his amazing past work with such piss poor renditions of amazing songs with a terrible band. I guess I've already accepted his slide from amazing to lame awhile ago ... from 2001 onwards to me he's gotten steadily worse in almost every way ... after The River I don't think he can release anything else that would shock me with how far he's fallen.
I find it more of an absolute shame than anything ... you could argue that without the other 3 writing and playing with him that he's just average ... but I don't total buy that ... it was him alone that had THAT voice years back .. that passion and intensity, he had the amazing lyrics, he had the stage presence etc..
It saddens me to know that all of that must still be in there somewhere, but he pushes it aside rather than continuing to explore his creativity.

So to me, the old albums will never leave me ... I'll always cherish them, and the old bootlegs too. But Ed to me is lost ... he's so easy to take pot shots at now, and why not, it's a bit of fun. His personality just begs for it, his crazy turn into wanting to sell you things ... again as someone who has provided me with such highs, the fact that it's fallen to this makes it worse.

I really like Zion, I like it's workman like song style, it's a little bit bluesy, it has a bit of substance, I really, really want to keep liking Ed's stuff but it's just not working. If this was an Ed-only board now you'd probably see a heck of a lot less of me (theres one way to get rid of me Nick )

I don't think that anyone could object that listening to the old stuff and the new stuff that ed has become 100 times a better singer of late. I think that whilst his renditions now do not have that 'hard edged' guitar and drum work of the older works the vocal content is much much more refined. Infact I don't think I've heard any live song have the vocal capacity of the newer stuff! Beliefs aside as to what ed may or may not have done to the band he is the most talented of the band and his new songs grace and just in time are very marketable. I will enjoy being able to chuck in a rocky tgf album when I want 2 fire up and a edk album when I want to be happy and listen to a telented voice (I don't think tgf measure up here). We are lucky that we now have two cd's inplace of one:)

[sh4rpz]

Congrats on your awakening. It was a process for me, solidified when I heard TGF. I always knew that the other 3 were just as important as Ed but it hit me like a hammer when I heard TGF. Sure, I've known they weren't part of the creative mix for quite some time. But who could have known what they were capable of when their talents were buried for so long. Hell, even CT questioned what he was capable of. For me, I'll look back on the glory years and remember it was LIVE, not Ed that provided such great music. As for bashing Ed, (for me) it doesn't diminish his contribution to LIVE's past to recognize who he is today.

well said - his contribution to my 4 favourite albums, as well as countless bootleg concerts and live shows is something I will never forget.

[sh4rpz]

I think that the guys stayed with Ed partly for the money with touring. but also in hopes of resolving friendship issues. In hopes of having input into the music down the road....a lot of things.

one of the band members did mention to me that they thought that Ed just had to get whatever he had out of his system. I would imagine he meant V, BOP and SFBM. Said band member also went on to say, that when it became apparent that the 'new' material would again deal with pop songs about 'water' and 'love', that is when they said 'enough is enough'.

This conversation took place before CT revealed the 'official' contract story etc on his blog.

Not mentioning which band member, cos I don't like the way the 'x said this and that' thing sounds especially since I don't know any of the members of LIVE or TGF personally.

Just my 2 cents.

edit: apologies once again for consecutive posting

This post has been edited by sh4rpz: May 17 2010, 4:39 am

[Liveoneut]

Thanks for posting up everybody. I just wanted to share with you, the three AMAZING events that made me take notice. I'm going to stay out of the Ed boards, because his new stuff just doesn't interest me. I'll be making myself home at TGF's house from now on

[+Ed+]

Well done

[Sakhmet2]

Great post liveonenut

This is why I haven't bashed Ed, and why I try to keep my mind open.

Because of those magic moments.

And because like Pokey I think it's a shame that some of the magic must still be there under all the bitterness and religious nuttery and lame music.

Because of the fact that I don't know any of the members of Live personally, and because I am not in possession of all the facts.
Facts that are not based on allegations, or arguments of silence. Real facts, based on documents.

How the fuck do you know this you gutless retard?? You psychic or did Ed tell you this as you wiped his jizz off your lips?

I think that the guys stayed with Ed partly for the money with touring. but also in hopes of resolving friendship issues. In hopes of having input into the music down the road....a lot of things.

To say it was just for the money is gutless, narrow minded, speculative, and in complete NICKTARD fashion, completely fucking gignorant, biased and unfounded. I swear you've got to be the biggest fucking douchebag I've ever come across. It's amazing how once you get something in your head, you'll stop at nothing in order to belittle anything that opposes it. I think you're completely obsessed and blinded. In my opinion, I think it means your Iq is on the low side and that maybe your parents were second cousins or something. Outside of retardation, I can see no other excuse for the utter garbage that comes from your mouth. God what an idiot.

This is inexcusable. This shit is getting out of hand.
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This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 17 2010, 11:59 am

[Existentialist]

[OutToDry]

We need some new dancing bananas

[Sakhmet2]

We need some new dancing bananas

How about or

I think we should audition other fruit too


This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 17 2010, 10:03 am

[sh4rpz]

How about or

I think we should audition other fruit too

some hopping, jumpy ones maybe? a swinger?

[OutToDry]

my fav:

[Sakhmet2]

some hopping, jumpy ones maybe? a swinger?

More

[Liveoneut]

DAMNIT!!!! Hijacked by a 'bunch' of dancing banannas. I HATE when that happens.

[crazy1]

For me, I'll look back on the glory years and remember it was LIVE, not Ed that provided such great music. As for bashing Ed, (for me) it doesn't diminish his contribution to LIVE's past to recognize who he is today.

Yes! Agree!

[+Ed+]

Better this:


Or this one, for Ex personally.