Ed Kowalczyk European Tour (Ed Kowalczyk Band), May/August-September 2010 Options

[sh4rpz]

Ed can tour on the Live catalogue for many years to come.

we are seeing this now - his new material is uninspiring and flat - just like on SFBM.

The way his band renders the LIVE catalogue is a far cry from the things that made us love this music.

You may not love LIVE as much as we do, and your love for the music post 2000 is your own thing - but many of us were caught up in this band and their music before that - and that is what LIVE stands for - not some cheap-ass cover sounding band.

I know it's still Ed, but even he must be cringing inside - he has to be. I think he has probably conceded that his only shot at 'selling' is to sell-out and submit to this poppy style everyday video-game console 'Rock Band' rock.

For me, he WAS the most recognisable face of LIVE, he WAS the voice of LIVE - he always will be in the music we have. But this new shit... It fucking blows.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[SJN1279]

we are seeing this now - his new material is uninspiring and flat - just like on SFBM.

The way his band renders the LIVE catalogue is a far cry from the things that made us love this music.

You may not love LIVE as much as we do, and your love for the music post 2000 is your own thing - but many of us were caught up in this band and their music before that - and that is what LIVE stands for - not some cheap-ass cover sounding band.

I know it's still Ed, but even he must be cringing inside - he has to be. I think he has probably conceded that his only shot at 'selling' is to sell-out and submit to this poppy style everyday video-game console 'Rock Band' rock.

For me, he WAS the most recognisable face of LIVE, he WAS the voice of LIVE - he always will be in the music we have. But this new shit... It fucking blows.

Thanks, but no thanks.

That is totally your opinion and you and others are entitled to it. Just like I and others are allowed to not be fans of TGF's music.

[Pokey]

That is totally your opinion and you and others are entitled to it. Just like I and others are allowed to not be fans of TGF's music.

Dude I think sometimes it goes beyond opinion, Ed's new band are making an absolute farce of the old Live material. If you have 2 chicken parmigianas, one microwaved meal (Ed) and one quality cooked in a restaurant (Live), you COULD say you think the microwave one is just as good and that it's just opinon, but really ... honestly. it's not.

I can't believe I'm using chicken parmigianas as a way to get through to you...

This post has been edited by Pokey: May 13 2010, 11:58 am

[sh4rpz]

That is totally your opinion and you and others are entitled to it. Just like I and others are allowed to not be fans of TGF's music.

err...Yes. This being a discussion board and all that.

You want my permission or what?

That's fine, although this being a LIVE board - and with the majority of LIVE's sound coming from MJ, TC, SS and TDTH, it is disturbing that certain folk prefer this mediocre EK pop music to what LIVE actually set out to be and that is a rock band. The largest section of the LIVE catalogue fits in that bill.

I don't think it is unreasonable to sit with our mouth's open in shock at what has been passed off as past LIVE material, especially since someone who is strongly linked with the music, like Ed is, was turning out these performances.

But, you are entitled to it, dear fanoflive.

[sh4rpz]

I can't believe I'm using chicken parmigianas as a way to get through to you...

I think Ed's drummer is hungry again.

[Pokey]

err...Yes. This being a discussion board and all that.

You want my permission or what?

That's fine, although this being a LIVE board - and with the majority of LIVE's sound coming from MJ, TC, SS and TDTH, it is disturbing that certain folk prefer this mediocre EK pop music to what LIVE actually set out to be and that is a rock band. The largest section of the LIVE catalogue fits in that bill.

I don't think it is unreasonable to sit with our mouth's open in shock at what has been passed off as past LIVE material, especially since someone who is strongly linked with the music, like Ed is, was turning out these performances.

Very good points ... how anyone who calls themself a fan of live, and love albums like MC, TC, SS and TDTH can accept this new band as passable and not be offended by their output is just a massive slap in the face to all the quality work this band has done over the years .. to me, that is not a true fan of live .. that is someone obsessed with Ed.

Yeah Ed's not endeared himself to me as a person, but if the music was still good I'd listen, it's not about him as a person .. if he surrounded himself with some absolute quality musicians then maybe the live stage show could have been salvaged. But, it's just another one in the "fail bucket" for old Eddie K.

[SJN1279]

err...Yes. This being a discussion board and all that.

You want my permission or what?

That's fine, although this being a LIVE board - and with the majority of LIVE's sound coming from MJ, TC, SS and TDTH, it is disturbing that certain folk prefer this mediocre EK pop music to what LIVE actually set out to be and that is a rock band. The largest section of the LIVE catalogue fits in that bill.

I don't think it is unreasonable to sit with our mouth's open in shock at what has been passed off as past LIVE material, especially since someone who is strongly linked with the music, like Ed is, was turning out these performances.

But, you are entitled to it, dear fanoflive.

Ed seems to be putting on very well-received shows overseas. The video I saw of "I Alone" with the new band was terrific. Is it different without the rest, I'm sure, but it doesn't make it bad.

[sh4rpz]

Very good points ... how anyone who calls themself a fan of live, and love albums like MC, TC, SS and TDTH can accept this new band as passable and not be offended by their output is just a massive slap in the face to all the quality work this band has done over the years .. to me, that is not a true fan of live .. that is someone obsessed with Ed.

Yeah Ed's not endeared himself to me as a person, but if the music was still good I'd listen, it's not about him as a person .. if he surrounded himself with some absolute quality musicians then maybe the live stage show could have been salvaged. But, it's just another one in the "fail bucket" for old Eddie K.

dude, even if it were Good Fucking Charolette screwing up LIVE songs, I'd let it go and say 'Wow, bad - ok fuck them!' But this is Ed Kowalczyk!

Ed Fucking Kowalczyk! In a million years, even during the pain of SFBM would I have ever thought, he would allow the best shit he has done, the glue that holds his legacy as a great musician together - to be fucked up this badly.

Nick, I know you love Ed and his music, but the music he's been representing himself with is bubblegum side-show shit - and no one else (apart from you, him and his backing band) will remember it. Just like no one else cares for V, BOP or SFBM.

This post has been edited by sh4rpz: May 13 2010, 12:20 pm

[sh4rpz]

Ed seems to be putting on very well-received shows overseas. The video I saw of "I Alone" with the new band was terrific. Is it different without the rest, I'm sure, but it doesn't make it bad.

good luck to all 6 of you then.

[Pokey]

Is it different without the rest, I'm sure, but it doesn't make it bad.

You're right, different isn't always bad, different is sometimes very good! This, is just bad. These are sub standard musicians doing a poor job at recreating magic. You keep saying it's been well recieved .. by people like you! People who have no appreciation of music. How on earth that you think that this the pinnacle of music, it just blows my mind time and time again.

[BERLINONE]

At last I managed to download the studio (3FM) performance of ED.
Info:
Radio show
Between 0800 and 10.00 hours
Date 12-05-2010
Program Giel Beelen at 3FM

No more words, enjoy it and give me a reponse.

BELINONE

Live optredens- GIEL (01).mp4

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nywnmktckjw

[HoraceScope]

Guys, I see your point, but frankly I think you need to stop comparing Ed's solo performances to LIVE. All good things come to an end eventually.

If you have any respect for Ed, let him find his way. There's a thing like midlife crisis even for the spiritual rocker. With his mind set on something else, he wouldn't have been much of an asset to LIVE in years to come. The band was destined to go past their sell-by-date. Be grateful they burnt out before they faded away...

His current band may not be the best, but Ed is in no position to hire the best players. Yet. The same way you can't start a top football team from scratch, you can't expect this band to sound anything like LIVE just now.

And despite the allegations of commercialization, maybe Ed is just sick of all the perfectionism of the past. Maybe he's thinking "I have never done anything all by myself. I need to find out if I can cope."

Also please allow me an observation of the past. I am no die-hard fan of LIVE, but I have been following them ever since Throwing Copper. Throughout all those years I have always appreciated the outstanding song-writing. Songs that have mostly been written by Eddie K. I always thought this band was nothing without the singer. He is the life and soul of this band. His songs, his vocals and his charisma are all deadly weapons. Now when I learned he was about to go solo, three thoughts were zigzagging through my mind:
a) Oh no! This brilliant band is no more!
b) But he's still there and this could get very exciting.
c) Oops! The other guys have been stripped of a job! How thoughtless of him...

He's not quite ready to excite me yet, but his new single is fantastic and as the gigs become bigger, the band will get better.

[Sakhmet2]

I can't believe I'm using chicken parmigianas as a way to get through to you...

It works for me.
Or at least it makes me hungry. I gotta order some chickparm from the local pasteria.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 13 2010, 5:58 pm

[Aitkens]

If you grew up and remember LIVE from 91-99, this new shit is enough to make you vomit. I'm sorry, but this is flat out disgusting. As if the last 10 years have not been bad enough, this is the absolute worst. Too many of you feel that LIVE is and only was limited to Ed. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but what made those years, and that music so great was that it was an amazing collaboration between 4 passionate, talented musicians, who were also great friends. What made LIVE so great was their stage show, the stage show that overflowed with passion, and you could tell that all 4 band members were on the same wave length and played off of each other. That was lost over the last 10 years, but that is what made the shows and the music so fucking good. This new representation of LIVE's music is complete bullshit, because there is no passion, and this band of replacements isn't on the same wave length. They're just trying to play along to notes that they didn't pour their own blood, sweat, and tears into. You guys make me sick.

[OutToDry]

Didn't mean to get your dander up. This has me thinking, there are more pro on the tgf in here than supporting ed latelty. Weird isn't it? I don't think so.